I PMed BKS about that, hopefully this will all be resolved.
We all know there is somthing wrong when Kaiser/Capo, the most contraversal member of the forum (except for maybe DA) says that people are going over the top ~:)
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I PMed BKS about that, hopefully this will all be resolved.
We all know there is somthing wrong when Kaiser/Capo, the most contraversal member of the forum (except for maybe DA) says that people are going over the top ~:)
Thanks for being understanding Drisos. I would like to clear one thing up, I don't actually do any active work on the SJ mod, I tried to beta-test when it came out, but it didn't really work out at the time. I have learned some since and should be able to help when a new beta comes out but other than that I just comment in the sub-forum.
And the gender thing came up because I believe I saw a post to that effect somewhere, where PLK was also posting. I may be wrong though as the brain loves to mess with memories.
Use the Ignore function if he bothers you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoose
That is heresay at the moment. How do we prove this claim in a media where messages can be edited?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiji
Do you all really want to help? If so, then first, please stop playing "armchair" moderator. "I'd ban him." "I'd close this thread." Comments like this are public grandstanding and posturing for an audience. And all it accomplishes is to make matters worse. At first we were only dealing with a spam issue. Now we are dealing with spam and an alleged death threat from a 14 year old. And BTW, age is not the issue - I know some 14-15 years olds here that show more maturity than some of the middle-aged adults. Anyway, we have the moderator job, please let us do it. If you want to help, then publically ignore clayton and privately contact the forum moderator with your issues regarding a thread or post. Let the moderator do their job. Everyone keeps telling us we are fair and doing a good job, so why won't you let us deal with clayton as we see fit and without interference?
The second thing you can do to help the situation is to ignore clayton.
The third thing you can do is to stop trying to "help" clayton, because most of the "help" I've seen are condesending remarks or backhanded insults (not to mention they are violations of forum rules) Which of these "help" sentence sounds more sincere?
1) "clayton, I want to help you stop making a fool of yourself."
2) "clayton, I want to help you get along better with the other patrons."
The fourth thing you can do is stop talking in thread about clayton with other patrons. The comments made are often far from complimentary and he can read them (not to mention they are violations of forum rules). It is nothing more than an indirect way to humiliate or insult him ("Hey, I wasn't talking to him")
And the last thing you can do to help is ignore clayton. That is, of course, only if he bothers you.
Your sheer brilliance shows once again, oh King of the FR. Just something I was going to suggest. I would have been more drastic and would have said to get rid of postcount altogether. To hide it might just do it, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
Quid
"The less you know about me, the more you will be forced to conclude from your own observations, rathering than assuming based on a stereotype," ~ PLK
I suppose that you could try to make a spam count to show up in a user's profile/posts in addition to postcount. But how would it work? You would need an option to mark something as a spam thread, and anything in it (or anything under a certain length?) is added to the poster's spam count. Otherwise it would probably require a mod to click a "this post is spam" button.
The largest potential issues: people who post constructive posts in spam threads may be penalized; it would be another thing to manage; requires programming; and gives spammers two counts to watch. BUT: you could then use certain spam counts as a basis for warnings, like: if you get 200 spam posts within 30 days, you get warned. Or something similar.
Hiding post-counts from the user blurb in posts is probably the best, because it may discourage people from spamming, since others will not see their postcount. Of course, some people may just enjoy spamming for the sake of spamming, and not displaying post-counts would have no effect on them.
@quid: the problem with removing postcount altogether is that some other things, including access to different avatars, are based on how many posts you have made, and removing that count would mean reworking those other things too.
(a semi-spammer is sticking out his head, and screams) IT"S PLK's FAULT ~D
no to be serious. i really don't get the point here, people calling clayton a spammer. it's getting very annoying. CB says he didn't send the death threat, even if he did, what you guys are doing is just as bad. you're bullying him with a group of 20 members. i always thought the .org was a place to have fun. a kinda home, fun conversations and soft competition. (take a look at me and arrowhead. we had a competition, but it never got outa hand. we always kept it fun, atleast i think it's like that, i hope arrowhead does too). but this is going towards a war. you're all complaining but i think you're also enjoying it, making fun out of sumone.
I think complaining about a threat is not as bad as sending one ~;) .
One issue with clayton is that he doesn't use much punctuation, which makes his post's harder to read. thus, people have less patience with him.
Just my two cents, it's up to the mods in the end ~:cheers:
as said before, he said he didn't do it. and also i didn't said complaining was wrong, i said enjoying bullying him is wrong. just ignore him, but most people don't cuz they like arguing (sp?) with him
Most serious thing i've ever heard from you Emperor. I agree with you about the fact that everyone is ganging up on clayton. The fact that his is a spammer, however, my mind may be inclined toward the thought that he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1
Alright. I think the reason that people bully him is that it's just so easy (and he does sometimes kind of ask for it). He's a sitting duck for a big catQuote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/w...htm/bigcat.htm
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As he is a http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/w...eilerpuppy.htm
As for me...http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/w.../jekylhyde.htm
~:cheers:
even if he is one, he's bad in it. 200-300 posts in 3 months or more, i do that in 2 weeks. but don't mind that.
as for Mongoose, yes sumtimes he's asking for it. but if i would ask you to shoot me would you do it. i don't think so. just ignore him, and i know good advice doesn't help most of the time. but he deservse a chance don't you think
Guys It's under control.
The mods are taking care of this issue (i believe it's already been handled). so there's no need to keep discussing who did what and when or why.
My post was just a joke ~;) Sorry if it sparks another CB debate.
This is my last post on the matter :lipsrsealed2:
EDITED this post, I was wrong.
That logic is stupid. Would someone who registered in early 2003, then never posts until today when they made 600 posts, all of nonsensical rubish not be a spammer? He has less than 1 post per day. How can he be a spammer?
PPD is a stupid system for guaging spam.
but he isnt a spammer cuz he doenst post his post with the intention to increase his postcount. he posts them with the intention to get answers to his questions. is a guy who asks much a spammer, i don't think so
Sorry...couldn't stop from replying...Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
poster a posted once in one day..."OMFGZ!!!! PLS 1 PST CNT!!!111!111"
Poster b posted three times in one day..."Use archers to counter horse archers"
"I would recommend that you try pontus"
"Only listen to the senate when you have to"
Who is the spamer?
EDIT: I said i would stop posting...but he was calling me a spamer...
"That logic is stupid. Would someone who registered in early 2003, then never posts until today when they made 600 posts, all of nonsensical rubish not be a spammer? He has less than 1 post per day. How can he be a spammer?
PPD is a stupid system for guaging spam.'
Thanks :bow: . Should have read your post before i replyed.
Yes it is, but ...Quote:
Originally Posted by dgb
That example isn't very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgb
- How can someone post 600 times in one day?
- Can you imagine someone posting 0 times in 1,5 year?
- Why would he even register when he doesn't post in 1,5 year?
- In case he was inactive, can he remember his password for 1,5 year?
You see? I think that example isn't possible.
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if PPD is high, it doesn't say you're a spammer
if PPD is low, it does say you're not a spammer, because spammer post (low-quality posts) all day and do have high PPD.
Plus, I think clayton is not a spammer, but he's just enthousiast and doesn't know that much to say mostly. I think about all of us have posted some very short posts, and I think "Use archers to counter horse archers" is a short, but a helpful post.
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@Mongoose:
Sorry if I insulted you, but I didn't intend to.
I did not call you a spammer, did I? I only wanted to convince you of clayton not being a spammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
Sorry for that, that was just me being inreasonable because I was quite frustrated about people calling clayton a spammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
nobody read my post!!!!!!!!! i'm being ignored!!!!! the conspiricy is near, noooooooooh,
NOW THAT"S SPAM AND THAT"S WHY YOU CAN CALL ME A SPAMMER YIHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
damn do you got sum sort of spamdeleter cuz that (above post) post didn't counted on my postcount. wat ta fak.
nor did that one, prolly this one too
Ok :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
I guess it depends on what you define as "spam", I would define it as any amount of useless posts that do not contribute anything.
Um...strange, the guild rules define it as...
"Posts containing "spam", such as advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations. Recommending a game you like is not wrong, as long as you are not trying to sell it. User accounts created exclusively for the purpose of posting inconsequential advertisements will be unceremoniously banned."
I guess "spam" could be defined as many things :thinking2: ...
Spam, as all things, is relative to context situation and surroundings.
Spam in itself can be harmless if executed in good humour and with the intention to entertain and amuse, a good example would be the "Help me I got more money that what you do." Thread over at the .com. It started out as a rant, but through Spamming turned into a funny and worthwhile thread. But it is still technically spam.
No moderator would be cold hearted enough to close THAT thread ~:cheers:
That is a sure thing. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoose
I think much 'fun' posts and threads are seen as 'spam' posts and threads right away.
I think clayton had the same. He posted the 'rome-poll' just for fun. But then people cal him a spammer for that and BKS has to close the thread again. :dizzy2:
That thread was not spam, IMHO.
The Rome poll? No, originally it wasn't. Turned into it, though.
Let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
Flood protection takes 30seconds? So you can post once every 30 seconds. That's five hours to do 300 posts. I can do it. I don't see what is so impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
Yes, yes I can. It's not an uncommon phenomenon on forums for people to register, and then not post, or even look at the forum for years before coming back. It doesn't have to be exactly 0 posts, it could be any low number.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
Because at the time he was interested, and then stopped being interested. Who are you to say that people have to post after registering? What if someone registers, then their marriage soon breaks up? How about losing their job and the internet? I could come up with many plausible situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
I fail to see how people can forget passwords at all. I can still remember passwords from ten years ago. Regardless, there is a reset password function on the board for this purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
You may think the example isn't possible. I think while unlikely to happen, it is at least somewhat plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
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Sorry, I disagree. I've seen forums where spammers (ie. have replied to every post on teh first five pages of the forum) have PPD of 0.5. Same situation as described above.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
That's what I mean. Clayton posts a fun thread, other spam in it and you close it. I hate that situation, those spammers destroy claytons thread! :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
It will take more then 30 sec, because then you have to type the post. I think it would be 35 sec. ( with a very fast computer, maybe)Quote:
Originally Posted by dgb
[QUOTE]That's five hours to do 300 posts. I can do it. I don't see what is so impossible.[.QUOTE]
That's more then ten hours to do 600 posts. Can you be online( and posting permanently, with no single break) for more then 10 hours? That person would be mentally ill!
Yes it can. But it happens very rarely, and it happens about never that someone posts 600 times a day, so count those two with eachtoher, and the chance to this happening would be so small it prolly will never happen at the .org. (around 11.000 members, of which a huge load not active anymore)Quote:
Yes, yes I can. It's not an uncommon phenomenon on forums for people to register, and then not post, or even look at the forum for years before coming back. It doesn't have to be exactly 0 posts, it could be any low number.
Well, don't be sorry for your opinion. ~:) :dizzy2:Quote:
Sorry, I disagree. I've seen forums where spammers (ie. have replied to every post on the first five pages of the forum) have PPD of 0.5. Same situation as described above.
As this is not an opinion, but real evidence, this convinced me a bit more of the fact that it can happen. But I still think it's highly unlikely to happen.
This discussion is about PPD now, lol. It started with Clayton Ballentine. :dizzy2: