the inside jokes are nice. but i woudl get really old, really fast, i had to face the damn chicken every time i scroll over the map...
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the inside jokes are nice. but i woudl get really old, really fast, i had to face the damn chicken every time i scroll over the map...
He lies -- it's EB's new ship animation. ~;)
~Wiz
Now that would be cool. I thought of it myself, but the laser sword was kinda out of this world :alien:
There are less sword-oriented units in the midlands; they focus more on spears. They are (generally speaking) less disciplined, and more oriented for raiding tactics. The southern Britons are Gauls, and more capable of fighting a 'conventional' battle, where as, the further north one goes, units rely increasingly on skirmishing tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTank
Go too far north, and the natives of the little islands have found out the wonders of Energy Swords and Burning sharks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
I still don't get the URL address thingy. Can you explain it more simply?
Que?? You mean the bbcode thing to get an webadres turned into a hyperlink?
I donno if this site has something but they got something overhere that explains it :)
Those lads look, to be honest, amazing. Looks like I'll have to swallow my national pride and play as (horror) the proto-Welsh. Ah well. Only way the Goidils will get an empire I suppose....
As a matter of curiosity though, will the Casse always get conquered by the Romans? Or will they have an actual chance of surviving? Because I'd love an empire of Celts stretching from 'Hibernia' out to Alexandria the furthest...
If not controled by the player they won't often be succesful, but if you play enough games you might see it happen. It won't always, or even often, be the Romans who destroy them though, the Aedui have a good shot at it, as do the Sweboz, or any faction that gets REALLY big.
Cool.
Not that I dont mind the Romans per se, it's just that vanilla got rather tedious in that you always ended up having to defeat three large/massive factions of Roman legionaries. You can only kill so many before it gets boring. ~:)
We should manage just a wee bit more variety than Vanilla.
Casse's units look really good, however i was just wondering whether Casse's Generals will have chariots in their bodyguard, cavalry or infantry. when i play as britain i get fed up of seeing my 10 star general killed when his chariot falls to peaces, in the end i just hold them back which isn't very realistic. cavalry is tougher and mean that the general actually makes a difference to the battle rather than just killing himself and providing extra firewood at the same time.
These look fantastic guys! It's just such a shame though that we're unable to have individual factions for 5 or 6 areas of the Britain and Ireland. Would make the unification of the Isles very interesting. Goddam faction limit!
Couple of very minor comments
They are descended from Gauls plus other mentions at numerous other points
As you're of course aware, this is a matter of some debate in archaeological circles. I'm sure you know the ins and outs of the arguments, but i feel that in a mod going with historical accuracy it would be better not to come down on one side or another. It would be easy to mention in the text that their origin is debatable - whether indigenous, from the continent, a mixture or elite immigrants. There's no point really going through all the arguments, but i feel rather uncomfortable with EB going purely for this side of the debate.
Caledonians are without remote concept of civilization. Abhorrent even to the other Britons, they are maniacs in many ways, and completely disorganized.
I'm very surprised at the inclusion of these sentences! I thought this was exactly what EB was supposed to be against. How many times have you got annoyed with 'barbarians' north of Rome being called uncivilised? Have you been to the hillforts of Finavon, Eildon Hill and the Caterthuns? Have you seen the incredible artwork in the Museum of Scotland? I'm sorry but this piece of nonsense should have no place in the EB mod.
A favored pastime was sports, including a game we now call 'hurling'; so popular was this game in all of the British Isles, that it's mentioned in numerous legends
I would change it to 'parts of the British Isles'. We can hypothesise that a version of proto-hurling may have been played elsewhere but we don't know. Incidentally this is also Irish-centric - it is called 'shinty' (in anglified terms) in Scotland. So possibly say '... a game we now call 'hurling' or 'shinty' ...'
Incidentally - 'British Isles' – is this the term you want to use? I know that it is debated over all the time, but there are distinct arguments for both its use and non-use. Just checking that this is a debate you’ve had.
Anyway i look forward to playing this. It looks great ~:cheers:
"Caledonians are without remote concept of civilization. Abhorrent even to the other Britons, they are maniacs in many ways, and completely disorganized."
This passage is written from the point of view of the Casse, it not EB's judgement on their people or culture. EB has not problem with culture calling another one names, we just perfer serious history refrain.
Sorry, I, for one, am not aware of any serious debate regarding this. That the southern Britons were Gauls is an accepted fact, as we can trace their whole migration to where they settled. Of course once there, they could easily have interbred with indigenous people, but in our period they were predominately, if not wholly, Gallic.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakalwe
If a debate exists on the origin of the southern Britons, specifically the Casse, it would be better to reference it directly.
As Qwerty stated, we have "flavor" and "historical" portions of our faction descriptions. This was "flavor," written from the point of view of the Casse, who most certainly did view the Caledonians this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakalwe
In any event, the goal of EB is not to be politically correct and claim that all people were civilized. All people had varying degrees of advancement in different cultural areas, and the Caledonians were significantly more disunited than any other people on the island. The Caledonians were not liked (many of the indigenous names we have for the Caledonians are insults) and from all evidence were pretty close to the stereotypical "barbarian."
Regardless, the passage will stay because we know the Casse most certainly did view the Caledonians this way, and that is what this particular passage represents.
Eh, we can change it. The name for it in Scotland wasn't immediately known to the person writing the description. It isn't anything-centric, you're reading too much into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakalwe
Others have had this debate. I have not, personally, and I see no reason to even consider changing it when the point is to insert the most recognizable name. We could call it a period name, but we have no desire to explain what everything is in every single context we use it, so period names are used in appropriate places only, and elsewhere are chosen based on recognition as much as accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakalwe
Is there a more recognizable name? If so, I'm not aware of it. Keep in mind that our goal, as stated above, is not political correctness.
I can just see the fur flying already from our future "Greek_Cities" faction description when it comes to their view of the Maks. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by khelvan
Yeah, but they deserve it. They were barely Greeks at all! ~D
Gah! Run! :help:
Sorry, I, for one, am not aware of any serious debate regarding this. That the southern Britons were Gauls is an accepted fact, as we can trace their whole migration to where they settled. Of course once there, they could easily have interbred with indigenous people, but in our period they were predominately, if not wholly, Gallic.
If a debate exists on the origin of the southern Britons, specifically the Casse, it would be better to reference it directly.
Honestly? I'm very surprised by this. It has been the key issue in British Iron Age archaeology for the past 10 or more years. In fact the debate goes back to Hodson's attack on the Hawkes ABC system in the 1960s. The majority of contemporary archaeologists tend to see any immigration as relatively minimal, except in several particular areas and with a number of certain groups. I'm not arguing one way or the other - just saying that it might be better to be more ambiguous
Some references - Iron Age Communities Barry Cunliffe; Iron Age Britain Barry Cunliffe; The Atlantic Celts Simon James; The Iron Age in Britain and Ireland. Recent Trends Champion and Collis (eds); Reconstructing Iron Age Societies: New Approaches to the British Iron Age Gwilt and Haselgrove; The Celts: Origins, Myths and Inventions (2003) John Collis
Re – hurling – I wasn’t meaning much by saying it was irish-centric, just that it had another name. Not that it matters as these are both anglicised anyway as I’m sure ranika would be first to say
Re - Caledonians - Fair enough. I had thought it was in the history bit. Incidentally what references do you have that during this time period the people in south-east england thought this about the caledonii?
Re- British Isles - I don't have a big problem with it, but when i was working in Dublin, alot of the archaeologists did. The usual alternative is the 'The Isles' or 'Britain and Ireland'. A lot of the Irish I knew would not like being called ‘politically correct’ for it though. They just hated the term and had for decades. But as i said though, i don't have a problem with it.
Grab the fire extinguishes, this may get hot ~;).
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Fine, call it iománaíocht, that'll solve your problem.
British Isles is annoying, but feck it, the Britons are long gone/Welsh, it's just a name. We'll live. Though I prefer Britain and Ireland.
They refer to Great Britain and the Falklands. And maybe Gibraltar Rock... ah, no, that's not an island. Just an painful abscess in Spain's butt... ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by anonymous_joe
~:eek: just noticed that in Ireland you've added Lough Neagh, Lough Erne and Strangford Lough. Living on the shores of Strangford Lough as I do, thats actually quite a big deal for me and I'd just like to applaud whoever has been working on your map- because it definately wasnt present on mundus magnus.
Ok lough Neagh isn't perfect ~;) but a good attempt is much better than nothing ~:)
thanks again- can't wait to fight near home
Oh cool, somebody appreciates my work :) I sincerely hope y'all be amazed at the level of detail this map will have. I did Ireland as first "study" of making realistic map, and I'm quite glad of the results.
shinty has a different shaped stick.
Hurling is a type of football/handball in Cornwall: fascinating no?
What's the evidence for the early names of the British Isles?
I always thought that it tended to be someting pretty similar to the Welsh for Britain (Prydain) which is near enough Britain.
If not not but why have kittens over it. What's the evidence? Go with where that points.
by hurling i'm sure you mean throwing up, and not chucking heads at your opponent? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zakalwe
yeah there's definitely differences between shinty and hurling including the shape of the stick, although they're similar enough to play a Scotland vs Ireland game every year/2 years (?). Must be strange. They do a similar thing with Aussie Rules and Gaelic Football. But what i'm saying is that the modern versions are descendants/variants of the older game. I don't think that either can say that it is the only legitimate descendant. I'm sure it was just a slip of the tongue in the description.
As i said re - the British isles, i'm not too bothered. The argument against is that the term is essentially an imperialist term whose contemporary usage is outdated. While there is clearly the need for an overarching term for Great Britain and Ireland plus associated other islands, some people see the term as not really legitimate. Who knows?
Getting an old name of britain is always a bit of a pain in the arse. You can go from terms such as Prydain, Britanni, Pretani, etc, but there'll all slightly dodgy in one way or another. Can't be helped though. Just one of the problems in doing a historically close computer game for the period.
Eadingas i could only see a wee bit of Scotland. Nice that it's there now though ~:)
I love that Gaelic/Aussie football and the shinty/hurling games.
I'm now in the wrong part of the world to see them played normally, let alone with their sister sports.
Oh yeah, definitely variants of an older game. There were some really interesting games played in Wales until relatively recently too, like cnapan, bando etc.
I don't think anybody plays them anymore though.
OT - The classic one up here is the ba game in Kirkwall in Orkney between the Uppies and Doonies. The whole town basically scrapping in the streets. :duel:
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