Whose Insurgency?

To caesar44

I think that should answer your question about French what

French Army during the American Revolution:
Infantry: Regiment de Saintonge, de Royal Deux Ponts, de Bourbannais, de Soinsonais, d’Auxonne, de Metz, de Gatinais (Royal Auvergne),
Artillery: Regiment d’Agenais, de Tourraine.
Cavalery: Foreign Volunteer de Lauzon (hussar).

In Yorktown, the French Forces were numbered 8 800 men under the command of Rochambeau. The Americans deployed 9 500 under Washington.

French fleet won the battle of Virginia Capes, denying British reinforcement to Cornwallis, obliging him to capitulate.

For more precision, just go on the site xenophongroup.com/mcjoyrt/ep_web.htm

And what did the French King get for helping us? You might say he lost his head? ~;)

And what did the French King get for helping us? You might say he lost his head?
Lets hope that the new Egyptian ambassador to Iraq doesn't suffer the same fate . :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I told you so. ~;)

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Gawain, your scenario is:
The US troops freed Iraq from Saddam and his criminals. However, instead of Saddam's criminals many people from abroad came and act as terrorists now.

scenario 2: Some Iraqis do not accept the presence of the US troops, because they are think they have to defend their nation, religion or political interests. So they fight the US with terror.

scenario 3: A mixture of both.

I do not know what scenario is worse, all three are very bad.

If scenario 1 then the questions are:
- where do all the people come from, Why do they fight in Iraq? What would they have done, if there were no foreign troops in Iraq?
They are there to take power in Iraq is too simple to me.
- how could they come to the Iraq? Why could the US troops not prevent them from penetration?
- What can be done to destruct them?

After all I cannot see why it satisfies you to prove that scenario 1 is right!

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Look these guys are nothng more than another version of your other favorite terrorists Hamas and Islamic Jihad. The difference is there attacking the verey people they seek to lead. What kind of insurgency does that? How can you say the people support the very people who are indiscriminatly killing them. What is their goal? Well its to take over Iraq is it not? If the rest of the free world had any balls or sense they would rush to help us instead of critizing us as you do.

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Gawain, we will be happy to help you. Just tell us what to do. By the way we are currently doing that in Afganistan where we are trying to finish the job the US troop started. :surrender:

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

You and those like you are a bunch of Neville Chamberlains and are the only hope these guys have.

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How this?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Im getting tired of repeating myself on this. They cannot defeat us militarily and they know it. Their only hope is to divide us. When the US and Europe work together theres nothing they cant accomplish. If Europe stood up and said we are not going to take this anymore we would win. Until we unite even the US doesnt stand a chance alone. Wake up and smell the coffee. A untited free world would take all the wind out of their sails.

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Again, what do you want us to do? Europe will do anything to end terror. And we will be happy to end the chaos in Iraq!

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

And what did the French King get for helping us? You might say he lost his head? ~;)

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That is what you get when you help insurgents and terrorists...... ~D

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Gawain, we will be happy to help you. Just tell us what to do. By the way we are currently doing that in Afganistan where we are trying to finish the job the US troop started.

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You need me to tell you? ~:confused: Even without doing anything stopping all the critisism would help. Again that just encourages the enemy.

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How this?

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If you dont think that the radiclas see their only hope is having us split on this issue I dont know what to say. In other words your helping them.

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Again, what do you want us to do? Europe will do anything to end terror. And we will be happy to end the chaos in Iraq!

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Thats cheap talk and doesnt reflect reality. The democrats(leadership) here say the samething and there equally full of it.

Let us talk seriously! You do not expect that the terrorist give up just because we say that the Iraq invasion was a good idea, do you? You are not saying that not agreeing Bush makes us supporters of terrorists - or even terrorists?
What Germany is doing is that they have troops in Afganisthan, East Africa and in the Indian Ocean. Germany is also training Iraqi policemen and gives them equipment.
What else do you want "us" to do?

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Let us talk seriously! You do not expect that the terrorist give up just because we say that the Iraq invasion was a good idea, do you?

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I never said any such thing . I said if your not going to help at least shut up. Stop standing on the sidlines critsising. Do you really have a problem seperating the good guys from the bad here. Are you so paranoid of US power? What is the best scenario for Iraq? Put your petty politics aside and send help. Show them that the free world is united like never before.

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You are not saying that not agreeing Bush makes us supporters of terrorists - or even terrorists?

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Nope never said that either. Its the fact that you cant see the trees through the forrest. Is a free and democratic Iraq good for Europe or are you better off the way it was or with whats going on now? Im sure if all your countries said screw you fanatics weve had enough and were gonna help clean up this mess it would be over soon. What do you suggest we pull out? If you dont have a solution your critissim is not well founded just like the democrats here.

Stop standing on the sidlines critsising.
Why ?
Your president decided that he wanted to go it alone and turn Iraq into a terrorist playground , now you complain that its full of terrorists and want everyone to come running and sort out the mess you created .
Ain't life a bugger .

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Why ?
Your president decided that he wanted to go it alone and turn Iraq into a terrorist playground , now you complain that its full of terrorists and want everyone to come running and sort out the mess you created .
Ain't life a bugger .

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Again he bent over backwards trying to get you to go along. Again your dodging the question. I guess if some old lady was gettingg mugged by two guys and you saw a man step in to stop it you wouldnt help. Its not my bussiness you are the one who got involved you could tell him right? Now you get yourself out of it. Again throw away your petty politics and do whats right.

LoL we dont need Europe anyhow - besides Britain. I cannot imagine any scenario where the help of Europe would change the situation in Iraq for better or worse, except of course if they stopped their leftist citizenry from funding the terrorists.. but thats out of the question.

Again he bent over backwards trying to get you to go along
Bent over backwards ?????
Rubbish Gawain he lied , lied again , told some more lies , and then slagged everyone off for not believing his lies .
The only bending over was by those who were willing to lie as well or those who were willing to be bribed into accepting the lies .

we dont need Europe anyhow
Panzer , tell that to your President . Maybe you could tell Gawain aswell ~D ~D ~D

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I never said any such thing . I said if your not going to help at least shut up. Stop standing on the sidlines critsising. Do you really have a problem seperating the good guys from the bad here. Are you so paranoid of US power? What is the best scenario for Iraq? Put your petty politics aside and send help. Show them that the free world is united like never before .

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Gawain we wont stop saying our opinion. What happens in Iraq also effects us.
Unfortunatelly the free world is not united like it was before. We (the US and Europe as well as Gawain and Franconicus) should arrange our quarrel and fight side to side again.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Nope never said that either. Its the fact that you cant see the trees through the forrest. Is a free and democratic Iraq good for Europe or are you better off the way it was or with whats going on now? Im sure if all your countries said screw you fanatics weve had enough and were gonna help clean up this mess it would be over soon. What do you suggest we pull out? If you dont have a solution your critissim is not well founded just like the democrats here.

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Bush broke several (European) taboos. That makes it hard for us to support him now that things are going bad. But of cause we know that the US is the good and terror the ugly one. No one in Europe, neither governments nor peoples, are not willing to support the fight against terror. Regardless whether it is against AQ or the terror in Iraq. And of course we do not want the US to withdraw.
You are right! I do not have a solution for the problems in Iraq. Does that mean my criticism is not well founded? Maybe!

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

And what did the French King get for helping us? You might say he lost his head? ~;)

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In fact, yes he did. One of the side effect of the help of the Louis the XVI to the American Revolution was a huge debt. I make it short but because of that he was obliged to convoque the Etats Generaux which led the teh French Revolution. Thank you America!!!! ~:)