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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
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Originally Posted by Papewaio
Human nature is to be a gregarious social creature that helps each other... we are not predators like the tiger which can hunt by ourselves.
Actually we are predators, but more like wolves than a solitary tiger. But were not just a predator. We are animals with too much brain, our intelligence is both curse and blessing. If a cat walked by a tree and beheld it for a minute, it would process it as, "hey a tree, is there food over there?" If a man did the same he would think, "hey a tree, sure is big, why does it grow so tall?, why are it's leaves green?, how is it made?, who made it?, who made me?, why did it make me?, what is my purpose?" So we created first religion then science to answer all those questions.
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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
Reread what I said.
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we are not predators like the tiger which can hunt by ourselves.
We are not predators like the tiger, we are not solitary predators.
It is simplistic, but if you can't explain it to a first year uni student, then it probably means we don't understand the problem sufficiently.
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maybe simplistic isn't what i was after.. i just think it'd be a good idea if you definied your terms. specifically "each other". who fits in that category for any given person, family, friends, neighbors, all other humans? i think it's important to understand what is meant by "each other" before saying, "Human nature is to be a gregarious social creature that helps each other".
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humans... each other... basically those genes closest to us, also those who have shown sufficent benefit to our genes, even those not related which extends to dogs and other useful animals in the quest for survival.
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To answer your question "6 days", "5 billion year ?" or "I don't really know ?"
I believe, 6 days only applies to the Judeo-Christian religion. Other religions have other ideas as to creation. Scientific Theory has gone some way to explain how we came to exist.
I believe it will be a long time before we will fully know how we came to exist.
Religion has been used to explain some of our questions. Science has given us some truths, that can be proven. More research and exploration will give us more.
As the 6 days refers to just one religion, I can exclude that one. The "5 billion years" refers only to the age of the Solar System. So that leaves "I don't really know"
I believe that we were formed out of processes that occurred in the last 5 billion years, including the last 5,000 years, but this was from matter much older as other posters point out; i.e. 12-14 billion years.
Therefore I am inclined to vote " I don't really know ".
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Therefore I am inclined to vote " I don't really know ".
This is one of the few polls with a correct answer. Its hard to believe only 11 people got it right so far among so many smart people.
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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
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Originally Posted by Papewaio
humans... each other... basically those genes closest to us, also those who have shown sufficent benefit to our genes, even those not related which extends to dogs and other useful animals in the quest for survival.
so are you saying it is human nature for any given human to want to help any other human (and useful animal) to survive?
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Originally Posted by lars573
Lets see. Turning the other cheek is bullsh*t, if someone slaps me I pull a knife and gut them. Charity is weakness. The commandments are a fairy tales and thus not unworthy of being practiced.
Willing to bet you have never stuck a knife into anyone. And your statement here shows a tendency that might need some professional help. (Thats me being a smart ass to such a ridiculos (SP) statement.) Try getting stuck with a knife sometime - its not very fun. I know of at least two people on this forum that can attest to that.
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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
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Originally Posted by lars573
Actually we are predators,.
Man is not a predator in the true sense of the word. Early man was most likely a carrion eater - eating the kills of other more aggressive hunters. Man is also a gather of crops and we eat plants. Which makes us Omivores (SP).
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Lets see. Turning the other cheek is bullsh*t, if someone slaps me I pull a knife and gut them. Charity is weakness. The commandments are a fairy tales and thus not unworthy of being practiced.
i know as humans it is very hard to turn the other cheeck, but if we all did then we would have world peace.
CHARITY WEAKNESS! So, giving money to a poor, starving child is weakness! You are very sick if you beleive this to be true.
Do i beleive the commandments were created as they are said to be? It is possible though i do have some doubt. but that doesnt change the fact that the commanments are perfect laws. The first four are only aplicable if you beleive in god, but the others are pretty universail.
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There are some fairy tales that I enjoy, monarchism being one of them. I believe that republicanism is a stain that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth. Equality of man ha, the sad reality is that all men are not created equal. I not entirely convinced that Jesus even existed.
so, all christians are republican???? I personally believe that my belief in jesus has strenghted me in many times of need. If you dont want to lean your shoulder in gods hands thats fine, but you shouldnt attack those that believe in something greater the mankind.
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There is only one thing that I truely believe in, human nature.
you dont beleive in much do you ~:confused:
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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
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Originally Posted by Redleg
Man is not a predator in the true sense of the word. Early man was most likely a carrion eater - eating the kills of other more aggressive hunters. Man is also a gather of crops and we eat plants. Which makes us Omivores (SP).
a predator can be a carrion eater and/or an omnivore. a predator simply needs to occasionally hunt another animal, not necessarily subsist on that hunting. you are drawing an unnecessary distinction.
please don't take offence at my being argumentative.. i'm just being a twit from spending too much time in the backroom. sorry. :embarassed:
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if we look at our teeth and digestive system it is obvious that we did it al over a long period of time, we fished, scavenged, farmed, ranched, gathered, and killed. Sharp incisors and canines for ripping and cutting flesh, molars for crushing fruits and vegetables, and a moderately complex intestine. One of the few things we are not adapted to is the consumption of blood, although some societies practice this we are not suited to it.
Probably one of the main ingredients to our success as a species is our omnivorous abilities.
ichi :bow:
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still not finished - I hope :curtain:
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
So only christains and Jews believe in god?
And Muslims , they also believe in the Bible , you must know that
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Originally Posted by caesar44
And Muslims , they also believe in the Bible , you must know that
????? you mean the koran?
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Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
????? you mean the koran?
The muslims believe in the Bible and surely in the Koran , as the Christians believe in the Hebrew Bible and the new tes'
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im pretty sure the muslims dont believe in the bible. The koran covers the old testement and certainly they dont follow the new testatment. That would mean that the believe jesus is the son of god, which they dont.
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Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
im pretty sure the muslims dont believe in the bible. The koran covers the old testement and certainly they dont follow the new testatment. That would mean that the believe jesus is the son of god, which they dont.
I never said that the Muslims believe in the new testament , just in the old , they recognize Abraham as their father and Moses as the first prophet
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Muslims DO belive in both the Old and New testaments.
They revere Moses, Abraham...etc...and also acknowlege that Jesus was a great prophet, however although they do see these figures as holy and prophets from God, the only word of God to be found untainted, is in the quran...a bit like Christians saying that the Christ has come and the Jews who are still waiting for the messiah.
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Being clarifications from the Almighty Allaah, conveyed through His messenger, Muhammad(pbuh), Muslims accept these rectifications to the Christian doctrine without hesitation. If a Christian too were to accept Muhammad (peace be upon him), as a prophet of God, like his belief in Moses or Jesus (peace be upon them), then he should have no difficulty in accepting the above rectification of wrong beliefs and, as a consequence of such acceptance, it will be easy for him to embrace Islaam, thereby placing both Jesus and Mary (peace be upon them) in their true, better and more respectable positions due to them.
http://www.isprin.com/c04.htm
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Originally Posted by Big_John
so are you saying it is human nature for any given human to want to help any other human (and useful animal) to survive?
More so in humans then say wolverines. It is a survival strategy, and like all good strategies it can be dropped in favour of a better one.
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Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Muslims DO belive in both the Old and New testaments.
They revere Moses, Abraham...etc...and also acknowlege that Jesus was a great prophet, however although they do see these figures as holy and prophets from God, the only word of God to be found untainted, is in the quran...a bit like Christians saying that the Christ has come and the Jews who are still waiting for the messiah.
http://www.isprin.com/c04.htm
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SO the Muslims believe the 6 days theory , ha ? they don't have another
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Well as, like Christians and Jews, they believe that God (Allah) created the Earth and everything in it.....then the answer is yes.
They take the view that Jesus wasn't the final word from God. Everything else is the same.....the creation, garden of Eden, and so on. :book:
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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
I expect its been suggested, but what we need in the Backroom is a metapoll. The optuions would be
(1) abortion is terrible, the world was created in six days, evolution is a lie, criticising Israel is by definition anti-semitic, guns are good, state health care is bad, there;s no sych thing as global warming and
(2) all of 1 is wrong.
It would save going over the same old topics once a month.
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Your poll is missing
(3) Fencesitters.
(4) Gah!
(5) Gah! Gnich! Gnash!
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Re: 6 days or 5 billion years ?
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Originally Posted by Papewaio
wolverines
Patrick Swanzey ?? ~D
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Originally Posted by caesar44
SO the Muslims believe the 6 days theory , ha ? they don't have another
all the "big three" religions believe in 6 days. and that is great, because they believe it correctly.
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Originally Posted by Navaros
all the "big three" religions believe in 6 days. and that is great, because they believe it correctly.
All the big three religions? Now which ones would be the big three and by which criteria are they the big three?
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
All the big three religions? Now which ones would be the big three and by which criteria are they the big three?
It is General Motors, Ford and Chrysler.
Or is it Coca Cola, McDonalds and Warner Bros?
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Originally Posted by English assassin
I expect its been suggested, but what we need in the Backroom is a metapoll. The optuions would be
(1) abortion is terrible, the world was created in six days, evolution is a lie, criticising Israel is by definition anti-semitic, guns are good, state health care is bad, there;s no sych thing as global warming and
(2) all of 1 is wrong.
It would save going over the same old topics once a month.
I have a suggestion - leave the forum !!!
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Originally Posted by Big_John
a predator can be a carrion eater and/or an omnivore. a predator simply needs to occasionally hunt another animal, not necessarily subsist on that hunting. you are drawing an unnecessary distinction.
please don't take offence at my being argumentative.. i'm just being a twit from spending too much time in the backroom. sorry. :embarassed:
So was I - because of his attitude in his response
