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The difference is that it's wasteful to kill animals for no point other than for "fun", and frankly I find it cruel. An animal should have some chance of escape, (or even better, of killing the hunter... fair is fair ~D ). IMO, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Otherwise, it should just be killed, without the whole chase that it can never win.
Besides, real boar hunting is done with wild animals, with you mounted and armed with a spear. ~;)
Your definition of boar hunting sounds like a good way to die stepp ~D.
I will get meat and a nice head to put on my wall those are why want to hunt it not so i can take a bath in its blood.
It can escape if it finds a way out. This ranch is more than 60 acres plenty of places for it to hide.
In september i will hunt 10 pheasent the same way the guy lets him out on his 20 acre ranch and if they fly away they fly away no refunds.
Or even better, to be mounted with a composite bow instead of the spear. And only one arrow. ~D
And it is good that you will eat the boar. However, in my eyes, it messes with the natrual order of things, and I'm sure that there are far more unfair fenced in places without places for the animal to hide.
Too much hunting is sedentary and I don't really consider myself a hunter, but I've always enjoyed seeing how close I could get to an animal before it detected me by sight, sound or more importantly scent. It is a real challenge to work your way across an open field toward a herd of deer in the same field. Step...then a long wait until all of them are turned or head down grazing again...then a step, or two, or three if you are lucky...then freeze again...until you are within what would be easy bow shot. Same sort of thing with tracking them in the woods, seeing them before they see you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
The actual shooting is secondary, and the meat is good, so killing them is not a waste, anymore than butchering cattle from the same exact fields.
I prefer fishing, takes less time, more action. Usually when I fish I catch enough keepers to feed my family for a meal or two. And really fresh fish is hard to beat.
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Just curious what do you think of hunts like these. There are no fences but you have VERY experienced guide who will find you animal 9 out of 10 times.
you know those animals are pretty scary we need to defend our homes ~:joker
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Actually, feral hogs a real problem and setting the natural order right requires their eradication. They are rather destructive to soil and such. They are non-native species and should be hunted to protect the native species. Hogs are very intelligent creatures, and are not so easy to hunt. Having raised hogs, I can attest to their intelligence and ability to turn ground into rocky rutted moonscape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
It definitely does ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Well, as a guy who likes a good day of fishing I guess it would be hypocritical of me to be against hunting. After all, we're both killing animals, only I am pulling them out of the water and killing them by suffocation rather than pumping them full of lead. Heck, maybe a well-placed bullet is actually more merciful.
Anyway, I have no problem with hunting, as long as conservation principles are followed and it's done nowhere near residential areas.
I suppose you mean this for safety sake? Bow hunting and such can be done relatively close to residential areas. And residential areas have been prone to runaway deer populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
I think those opposed to hunting because it kills animals need to participate in the slaughter of some cattle or chickens some time. Growing up on a farm gives one a different perspective of where one's meat comes from... The only way you can condemn hunting on such a stance is if you are a vegetarian. I'm opposed to hunting and fishing that kills animals then wastes the meat. I'm opposed to hunting that results in slow death and other sloppy practices. (I deliver a coup de grace to my fish before I clean them...lol.)
The only things I want to suffer slow agonizing deaths are FIREANTS. Where is my magnifying glass...blast, no Sun.
Isn't eating wild boar a little... unsanitary?
I mean, over here they're chock-full of the most evil parasites known to man...
We kill them as pests, but we're warned against eating the meat.
Is it simply a matter of cooking them thoroughly?
No ones ever told me not to eat the boar. I dont want to get sick from this can you give me more info on these parasites.
Keep in mind that these apply to Australian feral pigs. Also, I have just read that many of these can be safely avoided with proper preparation of the meat.
Diseases and parasites
Feral pigs can carry many infectious diseases and internal and external parasites. Some are endemic (already present) while others are still
exotic to Australia. Many of the diseases can not only spread to domestic pigs but to other livestock and humans. Diseases naturally transmitted from animal to man are called zoonoses.
Zoonoses currently in feral pigs in Australia:
• Tuberculosis (TB) – a serious disease of the lungs. Once common but now rare.
• Brucellosis, Porcine and Bovine − a bacterial disease causing severe long-term illness, undulant fever and possible infertility, both strains are contracted by handling raw meat. Porcine Brucellosis is rare in Queensland.
Feral pigs were blamed for the spread of TB and Bovine Brucellosis amongst cattle but both diseases have been eradicated from Queensland without
directly targeting feral pigs.
• Sparganosis − a parasite that can infest the muscles of humans, forming encyst lumps, is common in pigs from swampy areas; contractedby ingesting raw meat.
• Melioidosis − a serious bacterial disease which causes abscesses.
• Leptospirosis − a serious bacterial disease; in humans called Weil’s disease, causing very high temperatures, kidney trouble and jaundice; can
be fatal. It is found in up to 20% of feral pigs in Queensland.
• Q Fever − this disease occurs in all animals and is well known by meat workers. It can cause very high temperature and result in heart problems; can be fatal.
Leptospirosis and Q Fever infection can occur through contact with blood, meat and urine through broken shin, intake of urine-contaminated food or
water, and inhalation of infectious airborne organisms.
Brucellosis, Leptospirosis and Q Fever cause flu-like symptoms similar to Ross River Fever and Lepto and Q Fever can be fatal.
Owing to these diseases it is advisable to avoid handling feral pigs unless they are slaughtered at a licensed premises where there is a full-time meat
inspector on duty to ensure that animals are free of the above diseases.
If you must handle feral pig meat use suitable protective clothing (mask, goggles, strong rubber gloves and plastic apron and boots) to minimise
contamination with blood, urine and faeces.
I have hunted. The largest animal shot is a grown male elk (3 tags). I do understand why hunting is necessary. I do not understand why anyone think it's fun to kill. Sport hunting is bad, professional hunting is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceasar010
I have used guns against people and I have been shot at as well. I can't see any reason for me or any other civilian to carry a gun in a modern society. Police and military personnel need weapons in their service and are trained on how to use them.
When I ever hear somebody say that they need a gun for self protection, I just :help:
boar are not (generally) feral pigs. they should have no more problems with disease than any other wild animal. domestic animals (that are constantly treated with antibiotics and whatnot) that go feral might be more susceptible to a whole host of diseases once in the wild. but for the first couple of generations at least, feral pigs are probably fairly distinguishable from wild boar.
I bet your professional hunters hate every kill they have to make and cry themselves to sleep each night. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bmolsson
Just because you cant see any reason doesn't mean others don't.Quote:
I can't see any reason for me or any other civilian to carry a gun in a modern society.
Bmosslon( i know i spelled it wrong) you have your opinion on gun control i have mine. lets leave it that...this is about hunting
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on topic
So I would be better off and be safer by finding something else to hunt??
Good point xia ~D about the professionals they are paid to kill them. And they are some how morally superior to us who buy license which go to support wild life and hunt for free :dizzy2:
Compare them to the soldiers and police officers that shots enemies. Do you argue that the American troops in Iraq enjoy putting bullets in people and therefore travels all the way to Iraq to have a sporting experience? :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
One of my very good friends is a hunter and professional wildlife expert. He kills daily and treat the animals with the fullest respect. No stalking, no big heads on his walls and no bragging. He kills so that the animal can be used as food and without any un-necessary pain or fear. The key word is respect. :book:
I would argue that anyone that enjoy killing anything alive is in urgent need for professional help and is a danger to himself as well as to us all. ~;)
Soldiers, police officers and hunters that I know have all respect for their opponents (enemy, criminals or animals) and does not have any pleasure in killing or hurting. They do have the committment, discipline and pleasure in doing a good job, which something totally different. :bow:
Feral pigs have, unfortunately, existed in Australia for close to 200 years, and therefore wouldn't have been treated with antibiotics. I think it's more to do with living amongst their own filth in the swampy environments that they inhabit over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
European have been munching out on boar for centuries, so I'm guessing that their edibility must be related to their habitat.
There's no comparison between killing a person in war or in self defense and shooting a deer or rabbit. They aren't even remotely similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmolsson
I don't think it's normal for people to enjoy blasting away at an animal to watch it die, but I believe there is plenty of room to enjoy the overall hunting 'experience', which does include the kill.
possibly. you would think that a disease-ridden population of animals wouldn't be doing very well in any habitat, even if it's an invasive species. perhaps the lack of predators competition/predators(?) offsets that, allowing the diseases to persist in a population of animals that haven't yet evolved immunological defenses to their new habitat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roark
don't know about the feral pig problem here in the US (though, i think certain states certainly have problems). nor do i see much boar meat for sale. but the single best meat i ever tasted was a chuck of wild-boar charcuterie (cured by some means) i had in corsica, so i have a soft spot for the yummy little guys.
Check conservation web sites in Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas for examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
As normal people go to war to enjoy the thrill ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
I aim for the vitals when hunting. I dont shoot a deer in the gut and just watch it die
And i eat the deer. Would i ever shoot a person, not unless i had too, do i feel any remorse shooting a ground hog NO its completely different for me. It might be the same to you but to the vast majority of the world it is different.