Germany or Russia?

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Originally Posted by RabidGibbon

Perhaps a bit late in this conversation to bring this up, but Hitler declared war on America after Pearl Harbour.

However It should be also pointed out that Roosevelt did a lot to help the UK before war was declared with the Lend Lease program.

Despite his help of the UK in the early years of the war however Roosevelt constantly obstructed Churchills attempts to try and make sure Russia did not dominate Eastern Europe after the second world war. For some reason Roosevelt seemed more afraid of British Imperialism than Soviet Imperialism (Cos' Soviet Imperialism wasn't called Imperialism).

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A number of historians put this down to Roosevelt's desire to get Russia into the war against Japan in order to minimize U.S. casualties. Remember, Trinity was not yet complete. Plus, Roosevelt was dying at the time of Yalta, and not at his best.

Seamus

PJ, I can see your point of view, and I agree that Hitler likely launched the Holocaust for the good of Germany, and not only for himself.

Yet, saying that Hitler did not thought of the extermination camps, or that he was not aware of what was happening is just wrong. Hitler agreed when the SS decided to use gas chambers, and I'm fairly sure he heard of the so called medical experimentations led by this good old Mengele.

And Stalin did not have his word on all the deaths that happened in USSR. Sure, he condamned personnally some of his friends, of his family, but it was what ? At best 0.05% of the people killed.

[QUOTE=RabidGibbon]
However It should be also pointed out that Roosevelt did a lot to help the UK before war was declared with the Lend Lease program.

Indeed ! just what I have said...