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IMO pot is bad because it scrambles you brain and can lead to schyzophrenia as well as cancer. I think that as we are getting ever stricter with smoking, this is not the time to get softer on cannabis. It also has a most repugnant stink.
Alcohol is bad only when too much is consumed. A glass of alcohol every evening is not as bad for you as a joint every night. However, when used extremely, alcohol can be more damagin, so I think that both are as bad as each other.
No, but what many people have siad is that "marijuana is ok because it cna help with pain". So does morphine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Booze is worse. It seems to me it is causes far more often negative affects. And it isn't as fun.
It doesn't smell bad! It smells way better than damn cigarrettes. Pot smells very good. Alchol smells worse than pot.Quote:
IMO pot is bad because it scrambles you brain and can lead to schyzophrenia as well as cancer. I think that as we are getting ever stricter with smoking, this is not the time to get softer on cannabis. It also has a most repugnant stink.
And what proof is there that it causes scizophrenia? Alcholism is really bad, btw. You can't get addicted to pot, but you certaintly can to alchol. I have a large history of alcholism in my family, and it's not pretty.
After reading everybody's comments, I think this poll needs to be modified. Which is worse for society and which is worse for the individual. There is a big difference.
The advantage of alcohol is clear:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
It makes me drunk and then I post ridiculous nonsense.
You can post nonsense without alcohol, therfore, no advantage. ~;)
Pot ,IMO, has a horrible, sickly sweet smell that makes me want to puke. Cigarettes don't do that, but I can't really breathe with smoke in my face. Then again, you can't really breathe when you want to puke. Alacohol can smell bad (like bad wine or something), but it does not have an over powering stench.You can get addicted to pot in the way that you begin to really miss the effects of the drug. And from articles that I have read, cannabis can cause schizophrenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4305783.stm
When I tried to argue with Pindar about the definition of 'but' while I was inebriated, I made a rule for not posting like that again.~:) Of course, there was that time when I thought it would be a good idea to break the rule in one of Hurin's threads, but it turned out that it wasn't a good idea after all.:embarassed:Quote:
It makes me drunk and then I post ridiculous nonsense.
The really funny thing is that I actually never suspected this before ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
A few things do make alot more sense now...
DA
Then you must have missed my loss of sense a couple months ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
Whew. I racked up more warnings then Will Robinson on his way to the bathroom!
Booze isn't as fun! Booze is the ball! You can do fun things like get drunk and lose a friend at a pothead festival during a school-sponsored event! :pirate:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Yeah, or be like my friend, get drunk, pass out at a school football game, go to the hospital to get your stomach pumped, get suspended, have your car impounded, not be able to go on the school trip to Disney World, and be grounded for the next 6 months. Yay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Oh, and pot smells wonderful. It just smells great. My dad agrees with me on the smell, that cigarrettes smell way worse. If I'm at a concert, and I'm not smoking, the smell of pot always cheers me up, gets me in the right refrence.
Both are forms of escapism. If you have an enjoyable life, I dont know why you would need to spend money getting a high off of anything.
Because it's fun...duh ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Meh, I'd outlaw both. All they seem to do is cause trouble, atleast from my personal experiences. Reason why I refuse to do either.
Couldn't we use the same arguments as when we discuss gun control. Drugs and booze doesn't make people addicited, people that use it are the real offenders...... ~;)
Yup. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
As for escapism, isn't that why we do anything? Why we read, why we watch tv or play video games?
Of course taken to the extreme, its bad. Many people who suffered from depression in the past were alcholics, because it helped relieve them of their pain. They ended up dying miserable, and well drunk. But people who only watch to much tv or do video games can end up messed up too.
As for increased chance of cancer, well, that's the persons choice if they want to gamble.
Guns have useful purposes though. Alcohol and weed don't, other then to get screw up your senses. Guns, are a another situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmolsson
Exactly. I believe Abokasee is never drunk. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Also, it is my belief that pot is addictive psychologically. While alcohol is both.
Well, asking those who advocate (and practice, i.e. "do") alcohol and pot, and they'd say both have useful purposes...
And, OMFG, I hate the smell of cigarettes.
Bias BS based on what? Your statement appears to be a infamous Murphy's Law.~D ("but all addictions come at a price, and that's one of them")Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Stat! Use the paddles! Clear! beep beep beep.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I thought I just read something that I agreed with Panzer... oh there it is... oww there is a huge pain in my left arm like someone has put it in a vice and ohhh look at the light
beeeeeeeeepppppppppppppppp. St Peter :book2: hmmm this :angel: or that :devil: ... hmmm
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Although it almost kills me to admit it, I agree with Panzer.
If you can do it responsibly, and it is fun responsibly, why should you rely exclusively on other things that are fun? Its a different type of fun, that's why people do them.
Exactly. Is reading a book escapism? What about video games? Computers? The internet?~:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanamori
Drink a beer, have a toke, watch a ball game, have sex, eat a hot dog. Whatever. All of them are great. And all of them can destroy your life if you take them to excess.
That is the key: excess.
Apples and oranges. Reading a book or playing a video game does not alter your state of mind.
Why do you drink at a social gathering.. or alone? To change yourself. I dont need to change my state of mind to have a good time or enjoy life. Im not saying its bad to do so either..
This situation has to be fixed.. and fast! Hmm.. ok here we go:Quote:
Although it almost kills me to admit it, I agree with Panzer.
German soldiers were 10 times better than Australian soldiers in WW2.
That should remedy this strange occurance of agreement. ;)
You answered your own argument. If I had an enjoyable life... I wouldn't need drugs. But having an enjoyable life is pretty rare, and pretty subjective isn't it Panzer?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
If we are talking snappier uniforms, salutes and lack of back chat to officers then yes the German soldiers were 10 times better. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
absolutely agreed with most what you say, and i can't furnish you with precise data, though according to my friend, a psychiatric doctor studying and working closely with these things, he says the evidence is pretty clear that although MJ doesn't cause psychiatric illnesses, it is a trigger if there is an underlying tendency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
decent overview from the British Medical Journal here:
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conte.../325/7374/1183
a problem, currently in both alcohol and MJ is a trend towards strength. beers and alcohopops are becoming stronger. In the UK, a demographic change of ale towards lager seems innocuous enough. Ale's 20 years ago were at an average of 3.4%, while premium lagers now are up at 4.8-5%.
In a similar, though even more extreme way brands of dope have gained strength, hydroponic skunks and so on. some estimates have put the increase since the 60s at 6-7fold, but it's hard to gauge.
a problem, currently in both alcohol and MJ is a trend towards strength. beers and alcohopops are becoming stronger. In the UK, a demographic change of ale towards lager seems innocuous enough. Ale's 20 years ago were at an average of 3.4%, while premium lagers now are up at 4.8-5%.
Yet if you look further back than 20 years many beers were stronger than the 4.8-5% and if you look into it , it was normal to drink a gallon a day of 8% beer starting with breakfast . Ever drunk any of the Trappist stuff ? Not surprising they have a vow of silence , who knows what sort of drunken rubbish they would be talking after drinking that .~;)
Oh and alcopops are not stronger , just a more expensive way of buying spirits diluted with fizzy stuff , a successful marketing ploy to exploit the idiots .
Guys we can't discuss subjective oppinions, such as smell. We can use them as arguments but we can't tell another that he is wrong for his smell of things.
Personally I prefer pot-smell over tobacco (reversed if it is unburnt though, then tobacco is very pleasing to my nostrils).
I'm an odd person when it comes to the use of pot. I have always been an adamant anti-smoker (personally, couldn't care less about others), but I did smoke that. Perhaps that was part of my reason for stopping? I don't know.
While I think cancer has a higher chance of settling in in your lungs if you smoke pot (you can eat and drink it too, which are very safe ways), it is certain that alcohol will destroy your liver at some point. Alcohol slowly destroys it, it is not based on chance as with cancer. Thus if you a are a heavy drinker you shold be very concerned really. Some can take much more than others in regards to liverdestruction but it will come eventually.
Not so with the cancer. So I think the point goes to pot there.
Alcohol doesn't make you aggressive per se, but you are going to react much stronger. You might flinch and become much more fearful (and we all know the crying drunk right?) or you might react with aggression to something that would only slightly annoy you.
I have never been in a fight I did anything to start (I had to defend myself from unprovoked attacks though), but once when I was drunk I nearly exploded with anger when a guy kept pushing me in the back (not intentionally of course). Had I not been a normally extremely calm guy I think I would have flattened him (he was even more drunk than me so I think it is a safe bet). That wa not normal an I would never have reacted similarly if I was sober.
But once when I was stoned a guy intentionally pissed on my leg, and I couldn't help but laugh at it, it just seemed so increadibly stupid and silly. I think had I been drunk I would have gone at his throat right away. Had I been sober I think I would have too.
Add to that that I have seen far too much alcoholaffected aggression caused by normally calm guys.
Alcohol makes you unstable if you drink above a certain limit.
On the other hand you CAN get psychoses from pot, but they are rare and not much of a factor in this discussion.
From personal experience I will say that the only reason to not TRY pot or similar product (MJ, hashis ect ect) is because it is illegal. Not other point really as a single spliff simply don't do damage of any kind worth mentioning. To say it would lead to many more is wrong as you just need to be firm on it, like with alcohol or cakes or soda or too much food... You get the point.
Personally I would prefer it getting lagalized. Earn money from it and control it. Perfect.
Oh will that cause widespread usage??? Not at all, Holland has one of the lowest 'tried' rates for pot in Europe.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraxis
~:cheers:Quote:
Personally I would prefer it getting lagalized. Earn money from it and control it. Perfect.
It doesn't matter.Quote:
Oh will that cause widespread usage???