Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
such a news story would create lots of interest in this part of the United States.
There you go , a local issue not a national one .
Oh it would have made national news to - but it would have never been covered to the extent that some Irishman in Ireland would of ever noticed the story. ~:eek:
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I will let you decide - I already know my decision on that - parential rights mean something regardless of what country the parents are from.
Thats not what I asked , though we can both agree on the parental rights .
I asked about the INS finding , which also for some strange reason decided that parental rights mean something.
What you don't like cyptic answers that are only partial answer to the question you asked?
Maybe you shouldn't do it either then.
But yes parential rights was the issue and INS made the right decision is saying that Elian Gonzalez needed to be returned to his father. The method that the state decided to inforce the ruling is what I have issue with.
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Oh , and was I very much incorrect or correct in my use of derogatory terms ?~;)
All depending on how you wanted to use it. The court ruling using "wetfoot" might have been stated - I have never bothered to concern myself with Cuban exiles and their illegal immigrantion - I count the illegal immigriantion of Cubans the same as that which is occuring everyday not 300 miles from my home - along the over 300 miles or is it closer to 500 miles of border the state of Texas shares with Mexico.
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a good precentage come from other Central and South American Countries.
I know a lot of Europeans who used that route , and the Phillipines used to be a good one aswell . Whereas Canada was a better route for the overstays .
Couldn't be that many Europeans since the percentage is rather small of the estimated and know crossings of illegals. :dizzy2:
Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?
Well looky, looky. It seems Costa Rica has a life expectancy of 77 years. El Salvador has 71 years. Nicaragua has 70 years. And they did it without having to bend under the thumb of a dictator.
If health is the only plus for Cuba, it is foolish to praise them for only achieving that and nothing else.
Crazed Rabbit
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And they did it without having to bend under the thumb of a dictator.
~D ~D ~D
you really crack me up .
One of those was a dictatorship for a hell of a long time and another was run by the military as an Authoritarian State for over 50 years , both underwent a massive healthcare development program AFTER the really , honestly , very nice rulers were finally got rid of .
And guess what , both regimes together with all their corruption , human rights abuses and lack of democracy were supported by your Government~:eek:
And to top it all off your government went to great lengths to undermine the people who got rid of those "evil" regimes .
So lets see , to sum up your points so far (though I notice you havn't even bothered to readdress your earlier statements that have been shown as lacking in facts) if you will permit me to paraphrase your position.....
Cuba is bad as it has a dictator and it doesn't have healthcare , but it does have healthcare despite having a dictator so I am really opposed to dictators regardless of the healthcare because I and my government don't like dictators.............Looky at these governments they have healthcare and they are not dictatorships , but when they were dictatorships they didn't have healthcare , but healthcare isn't important and I and my government like dictatorships .~:cheers:
Re: Remember Elian Gonzalez?
You are making the terrible mistake of assuming I support everything my government has done, including from before I was born.
A much better summation of my points would go thusly;
Cuba is bad because it is under a dictatorship and has a communist economy. Overrated free healthcare does not excuse this in the slightest.
An accurate reflection of your position would be;
I can't easily defend my untenable position, so I'll just try to avoid answering the hard questions thrown at me and resort to strawman attacks and insinuating my opponent believes rediculus things he never said. Slavery is fine if the slavers use nice, comfy words like 'socialism'.
Crazed Rabbit
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I can't easily defend my untenable position,
If my position was untenable then I would be resorting to falsehoods to make my point , as you will notice when I made an error in post #15 I corrected it in post #19 .
Whereas firstly you post "facts" from a site that has as much in common with "fact" as a square globe .
Then today you provide examples without even seeming to know the histories of the countries you mention .
Overrated free healthcare does not excuse this in the slightest.
Ah but you said originally that it had crap healthcare .
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There's no difference, functionally speaking, between a dictatorship or a full formal or republican democracy, that's why I think there's no point on discusing the value of the dictatorship regarding healthcare, wich in the end depends on various variables that are common to both government systems.
