Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by bmolsson
Any restriction on abortion is a direct restriction on the mother and her control of her body. If your true intention is to protect the fetus, you have to make a lot of restrictions on the mother and her life. I don't accept that.
Restriction on the life of the mother?
Oh well, there are a lot of restrictions that can be put on a person's life.
Taking care of a family member that is on life support after a stroke can be quite a chore. Should one be allowed to kill such a family member?
After all it could not survive on its own and puts quite a restriction on the life of the rest of the family (or on society if you want).
The question is until up to what point to the rights of the mother have more weight than the rights of the unborn?
Some say that at the moment of conception the protection of potential life deserves higher priority than the right of the mother to have full control over her body.
Some (including me) say that as soon as the unborn reaches a stage were it can be considered to be a sentient being, (i.e. it feels pain) its rights to live gain priority over the mother's right to have full control over her life.
Some say that the mother's right of control over her body supercedes the right of life for the unborn up to the point of birth
Just as you, bmolsson feel that the first two positions are not acceptable, I cannot accept the last one. IMO the right of the mother to lead an "unrestricted life" (what restrictions are we talking about, BTW?) end were to right of a sentient human being to live begins.
It is irrelevant for me idf this sentient human being is a "person" in the legal sense. The right to live does not necessarily require the legal status of a "person" (I think in a lot of countries you would not be allowed to clobber your dog to death just because keeping it alive puts "restrictions" on your life).
Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Oh well, there are a lot of restrictions that can be put on a person's life.
I think that you have a pure emotional approach to the question. You don't know is a fetus can feel pain or not.
The practical approach here is that each individual have full control over his own body. A pregnant woman should not have this control removed. :bow:
Furthermore, dogs are property and any comparasion in this question with them is irrelevant..... ~:grouphug:
Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by bmolsson
I think that you have a pure emotional approach to the question. You don't know is a fetus can feel pain or not.
There are some studies that say that up to the 30th week a fetus does not feel pain (there are others according to which pain is felt already at earlier stages.
I think you are the first person I saw claiming that a fetus does not feel pain at all.
Life and death questions tend to have an emotional component. What - apart from emotion - might be the reason that you insist that women should have the full control over their body, even at the expense of the unborn, at any stage of the pregnancy?
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Furthermore, dogs are property and any comparasion in this question with them is irrelevant..... ~:grouphug:
Then why am I not allowed to just clobber my property to death if I would like to do so?
Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
There are some studies that say that up to the 30th week a fetus does not feel pain (there are others according to which pain is felt already at earlier stages.
I think you are the first person I saw claiming that a fetus does not feel pain at all.
Well, I don't know since I didn't remember any of my time as a fetus. I would assume, based on my own experience, that as a fetus I was not consious at all..... ~;)
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Life and death questions tend to have an emotional component. What - apart from emotion - might be the reason that you insist that women should have the full control over their body, even at the expense of the unborn, at any stage of the pregnancy?
We have reached a consensus in democratic countries that womens are to be treated as equal individuals. I am pretty sure that in another social environment, I wouldn't give a rats ass..... ~:grouphug:
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Then why am I not allowed to just clobber my property to death if I would like to do so?
Those pesky PETA NGO's have succeeded to sneak that legislation in to your weak government. On the other hand, you have all right to put it out at the local vet for a small fee....... ~;p
Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by bmolsson
Well, I don't know since I didn't remember any of my time as a fetus. I would assume, based on my own experience, that as a fetus I was not consious at all..... ~;)
Well, I guess the same could be said about yout experience as a 6-month old toddler...
Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Well, I guess the same could be said about yout experience as a 6-month old toddler...
I do remember that time..... ~:cheers:
Re: Criminalization or abortion!?!?
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Originally Posted by bmolsson
I do remember that time..... ~:cheers:
I'd say in this case you are a rare exception ~:)
