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I think I failed the British citizenship test. Darn question 8, I thought for sure I would have to prepare for a fight in the car park if I spilled someone’s pint in a local pub.~D Oh well, better safe than sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by solypsist
I believe this guy is Canadian..... :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by solypsist
Not as amusing as the late Pope John Paul II relying on science, medicine and surgery to extend his life. Not to mention, accepting Evolution as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Looks like a evil guy trying to summon hurricanes. ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by bmolsson
My breakfast cereal tells me 'things are happening' in the Backroom.
Thanks, Solypsist. ~:cheers:
Believe in God does not equate to a dis-belief in medicine or science. So to find amusement you would have to find where initially Pope John Paul II stated that he did not believe in science, medicine, or surgery to insure a long and healthly life along with the belief in God. You find such a statement then indeed it would be amusing in the same since. Now accepting evolution is not inconsistent with being of faith either - remember our discussion of intelligent design. Again you would have to find a statement where Pope John Paul II stated that creation was the only acceptable solution and then later on stated that evolution was correct to have the same or greater level of amusing then when a athiest finds god while under stress, or uses God in a curse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietus
Not at all - it looks like the evil guy dancing because of all the amusing athiests - because by using God in a curse they are confirming his existance and damning themselves into his realm, ~:eek: ~;pQuote:
Looks like a evil guy trying to summon hurricanes. ~:)
Well aparently someone has no idea about the Byronic cult that wants to insult god for the sake of going to hell. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Nevertheless, I would still rather go to that guy's realm than a place with a guy that causes hurricanes and burns down cities. When was the last time the devil is said to have done something evil, seriously. All I ever hear is that he corrupts people, but that's just a scare tactic. We all know that the devil is nothing but the reincarnation of the god Pan. I mean they look the same! Seriously Redleg! Your devil is my God of the forest scare. ~:joker:
Oh and just in case you think I actually believe in god by hypothetically stating I would not want to be with him, you seriously need to freshen up on your logic.
Oh, my mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I just thought that his hypothesis (his claim that the Muslims in Europe will increase in numbers and forcefully convert the natives to Islam) was just that.
So you're saying that everyone who calls another person a mother____ actually believes that the other person engages in incest? How about bastard? Since when have curse words and terms actually reflected reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
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Originally Posted by Redleg
No, thats just because it has become a habitual mode of speech. Just because I say "Oh bollocks" doesn't mean I worship them. Although I am rather fond of mine. Besides which cursing in God's name is against the commandments so why would a believer do so?
Nope - just that I find atheists you take God's name in vain in the form of a curse - is very amusing since they claim not to believe in God.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well actually if your a male and sleeping with the mother of a child - you are indeed just that. ~;p
Bastard - considering the number of unmarried couples with children - just might be a true statement ~:eek:
I normally use the curse word that fits the reality of the situation. And so do many others who still pay attention to the language that they use. Its obvious that you are not one to pay attention to what you say and where you say it. ~:joker:
Its amusing how some like to jump to conclusions - isn't ~:rolleyes:
Ah you might want to do a little research on the reason that particlur curse came about. Its fairily interesting - happens to do with cursing an individual more then the God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyspy
Again by mentioning god in a form of swearing at an individual - shows how full of hypocrisy many atheists are. Denying his existance but using the term in a form of cursing at their fellow man, inamated objects, and even God himself. Once again rather amusing. Just notice how quick a couple of you are at trying to explain away the amusing aspects of it. ~:joker: ~:handball:
Didn't it have something to do with clergymen? I vaguely remember something along those lines for allowing use of the word 'bollocks' in the title of a Sex Pistols album.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I'll assume you were being sarcastic with that last line. You don't even know what my religious beliefs are, so referring to me as one of those athiests is rather presumptuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
As for curse words, certain terms become common in society for various reasons. I happen to live in a largely Christian community and as a result many of the curses that I hear on a regular basis do indeed invoke God in some form. The use of this term by athiests is nothing more than the embracement of local terminology.
Saying that "Jesus H. Christ" should not be used by athiests is like saying that gentiles shouldn't use "shmooze" or "shmuck." People absorb the culture of those that they encounter frequently, especially when it comes to linguisitics. Athiests invoking God is no different; they are just using popular terms for expressing anger or frustration.
I was going to post but then I thought that if I did then DD would have hooked another in his fishing competition.
Dammit ~:eek: ~D
When I swear (which isn’t very often) it is usually out of frustration but if I am swearing at someone I will usually try and use a swear word that they might find the most offensive, regardless of its real meaning and sometimes in spite of its real meaning. So if I knew it would irritate the person I was swearing at to include the word “god” I would totally do it! ~D
Everything in this thread has been a dose of sarcasm - so I am just helping it alongQuote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Sure it is - and since it was a sarcastic post - maybe its true maybe its wrong, and most likely I care not what your religious beliefs are. The jumping to conclusions happens to not be relevative to your religious belief - but to your statments. ~:eek:Quote:
You don't even know what my religious beliefs are, so referring to me as one of those athiests is rather presumptuous.
Which runs counter to their statement stance in regards to God - therefore its very amusing now isn't?Quote:
As for curse words, certain terms become common in society for various reasons. I happen to live in a largely Christian community and as a result many of the curses that I hear on a regular basis do indeed invoke God in some form. The use of this term by athiests is nothing more than the embracement of local terminology.
And again makes the whole thing rather amusing because of their stated belief. Using expressions that represent something they profess not to believe in. Rather amusing - just like I initially stated. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Saying that "Jesus H. Christ" should not be used by athiests is like saying that gentiles shouldn't use "shmooze" or "shmuck." People absorb the culture of those that they encounter frequently, especially when it comes to linguisitics. Athiests invoking God is no different; they are just using popular terms for expressing anger or frustration.
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Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
Yes indeed he has hooked a few - and it seems so have I. Rather amusing isn't. ~D
True, it is difficult to argue that it is not amusing from that perspective. However, I simply disagree that it qualifies as hypocrisy as you stated above. If anything, it seems more inconsistent for non-athiests, particularly Christians, Jews and Muslims, to use the term. In all of those religions (and I'm sure in many others, but I do not know their tenets) it is considered improper to use God's name in vain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Athiests, having no belief in a higher power, would not ascribe themselves to this rule and could in fact be said to be flaunting religion entirely by using the term. If we really want to analyze this, and that looks like what I've gotten myself into, I would have to say that it is far more appropriate for athiests to curse with "God," "Jesus," "Christ," "Jehovah" and other such terms than it is for the faithful to do so. The former are in essence daring what they do not believe in to prove itself to them while the latter are violating the laws of their religion.
Oh but it fits the meaning of hypocrisy - not by much - but just enough to make it all rather amusing. Saying you don't believe in God - but using the name in form of cursing at others.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Yes for one who claims to be religous to use the words in everyday language as a common form of cursing at your fellow man is more hypocritical then an atheist using the term.Quote:
If anything, it seems more inconsistent for non-athiests, particularly Christians, Jews and Muslims, to use the term. In all of those religions (and I'm sure in many others, but I do not know their tenets) it is considered improper to use God's name in vain.
Which makes them hypocrits - and something else. And I still laugh at them because of the obvious nature of their idiocy.Quote:
Athiests, having no belief in a higher power, would not ascribe themselves to this rule and could in fact be said to be flaunting religion entirely by using the term.
And both are hypocrits in their use it in everyday language - I try to steer away from such language because it is violating the tenents of the religion.Quote:
If we really want to analyze this, and that looks like what I've gotten myself into, I would have to say that it is far more appropriate for athiests to curse with "God," "Jesus," "Christ," "Jehovah" and other such terms than it is for the faithful to do so. The former are in essence daring what they do not believe in to prove itself to them while the latter are violating the laws of their religion.
But like I said I find the atheists you use the lords name in curses to be rather amusing, its both hypocritical and shows Solypsist's picture is correct - the Devil is dancing and very happy with the numbe of atheists that use God's name in vain
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So that's the b******* name who's responsible for all my suffering!:rifle:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
Saying "God" is more a generic curse than something that carries any sort of religious weight. Maybe once, but now it's nothing more than another swear word.
Nice topic we have here. First, someone who report every post related to christianism as 'christian bashing' quietly explain that all Muslims are savages. Then, we have some european bashing, just for the fun of it. Finally, a bit of 'Atheism is a religion' total nonsense, supported by cheap and pointless arguments.
Maybe I could ask for it to be closed, since it seemed to work for Devastating Dave ? Or maybe it works only if you spend your time whinning ?
Sorry if I've contributed to anything that's disapproved of here. I was just arguing a point that I found interesting. I have a tendency to grab totally off-topic statements and turn that into a seperate debate. It pisses my wife off too.
Since atheistism is not a religion - then its more then fair to talk about a philisophy in the way we have been discussing it - either one of us has attacked the viewpoint of a religion or the philisophy in a degrading way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
However speaking of "cheap and pointless dicussion" - someone needs to take a bitter pill of their own medicine. ~:joker:
Did we offend some atheist idealogue who wants to attack religion every chance they get?~;p
Maybe Dave is cruising for something and you have fallen right into what he was looking for. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
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Originally Posted by Redleg
Sorry Redleg, but I think that's a bit much.
In this thread you have accused Atheists of both 'idiocy' and 'hypocrisy' for using phrases that are part of everyday parlance. This in a thread that did not begin in acrimony or with such insulting characterizations.
Yes, some atheists go too far in critiquing religion, and in characterizing the religious as idiots.
But two wrongs don't make a right.
It was rather mild compared to what I was going to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules
Ah both are descriptions used several times in other threads when speaking about Chrisitians - and one that I do not complain about when they are speaking in general terms at the philisophy of religion. Again did I use the words directed at any one individual or at the priniciple of atheist philisophy. Using the word as its is defined (word play) is all I am doing - nor is my comments degrading or inflammatory directed at the subject. Now Hypocrisy has a easy definition for one to find - and in the context I used it - you might disagree with my statement - but hypocrisy is not an inflammatory comment but a describition of how one finds an action.Quote:
In this thread you have accused Atheists of both 'idiocy' and 'hypocrisy' for using phrases that are part of everyday parlance. This in a thread that did not begin in acrimony or with such insulting characterizations.
Now for the term idiocy - you might want to look at the context of how it was used and what the term means - here I will help - the way in which I used it implies this thought - something notably stupid or foolish again tell me how that is not charastic of using the God or Jesus in a curse if your an atheist viewed by a Christian like myself.
And point out where I said somone is an idiot - since you have attempted to nickpick the term. Now defend your statement :duel: ~:joker:Quote:
Yes, some atheists go too far in critiquing religion, and in characterizing the religious as idiots.
But then I haven't attacked atheists as a group - just pointing out the hypocrisy and the idiocy of one thing. :knight:Quote:
But two wrongs don't make a right.
Don't bother with Redleg. Apparently he is not smart enough to realize that saying Godamnit(or GAH!) is part of everyday speach not by choice, but by reflex. This might be ironic, but it is in no way a sign of incompetence.
I think you guys are feeding the troll, because I'm pretty sure he's doing this as a petty gaff to enrage atheists. It's pretty stupid though, I got a good laugh out of it.
I think you'll find that Algebra is not named after Al-Jabr but from the title of a book written by Mohammed al-Khwarizmi.
The Greek Diophantus is the earliest mathematician known to have been involved in the field that would become known as algebra: al-Khwarizmi clarified and expounded upon earlier algebra, thereby clearly defining the field of algebra.
Also, there is uncertainty over whether al-Khwarizmi was a Muslim or a Zoroastrian.