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Hey, give them some credit - they're not so dumb as not recognize when they've made a bit of a mistake that might need some soothing over. This is a war about opinions, after all.
And you know, there's something amusingly corny about their rhetoric. Alas, they're actually *serious* about it...
No, you are simply wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radier
Even without religion at all, the world would still be fighting each other for silly ideas like nationalism, resources or some strategic dirt. I mean hey, Hitler wasn't a religious guy, so is stalin, and they combined did more damage to human life than all the terrorists (non-muslims included) combined in the 20th century alone.
Also why the world would be better without atheists like you, read LENs response.
Good for you.... ~:grouphug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radier
He was a dreamer too..... ~:mecry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
It is totally corny. I mean, how many decent women have you raped lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
It's the violence and sacrifice behind the words that make them sound serious in the eyes of a wider muslim audience. Of course this is a battle for public opinion in the muslim world and particularly the Arab part. And of course there are 'mass' demonstrations against Al Qaida in Jordan and probably elsewhere -- but these are orchestrated. Ninety five percent of the Jordanian population is not taking to the streets despite the fact that the King is taking the lead. Jordanians are weary of America's military presence in Iraq, and the Iraqi resistance to it is often viewed as proof of Arab dignity and patriotism compared to King Abdallahs peace with Israel and 'betrayal' of Palestinians. In other words, instead of claiming that Al Qaida has shot itself in the foot here, we must assume that the jury is still out.
Bet you're disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
What is that supposed to mean? Adrian is merely giving extra information about the attacks. What's your problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Harvest
Best just ignore little flames like this dude - they've been popping up all through the thread - don't feed the trolls :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
A terrible act of terrorism. If only more moderate Muslims would also (dare) speak out against such deeds.
It's not so much that Al-Qaeda's serious about it that's worrying, it's that so many of the targets of such rhetoric take it seriously, and act on it. Whatever else Al-Qaeda may be they sure are effective at manipulating dissatisfied people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
I don´t know what respond you are talking about, but LEN compares me, a peaceful citicen, with Osama B.L. But I guess you people can´t take it when someone critizise your religion. It´s called freedome of speach. Something muslim countries tends to lack btw...Quote:
Originally Posted by faisal
CNN has more on Al Queda's claim.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...sts/index.html
4 suicide bombers, including a husband and wife team.
Now, how is the husband going to enjoy the 72 virgins with his wife on his case for all eternity?Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN
When AQ started killing Muslims (was the Saudi attack the first, or was it the embassy bombings in 98?), I figured they would start losing their so-called credibility. I'm sure some of their members don't particularly like this path. If they keep this up, I'm thinking they are just going to fragment into smaller terrorist gangs, less capable but more concerned with out-doing each other and fighting amongst themselves. No complaints from me if that happens.
When AQ started killing Muslims (was the Saudi attack the first, or was it the embassy bombings in 98?), I figured they would start losing their so-called credibility.
Try a little earlier , '90-92 Afghanistan , Eritrea , Somalia , Algeria , they like killing people regardless of their religeon .
Basically if you ain't Al-Qaida then you is a target .
If they keep this up, I'm thinking they are just going to fragment into smaller terrorist gangs, less capable but more concerned with out-doing each other and fighting amongst themselves. No complaints from me if that happens.
Well you should be comlaining , since it is a fragmented group anyway each trying to outdo each other , and you can see the results of that can't you . And as it is small fragmented groups how the hell can you defeat them .
A multitude of very different groups with very different origins and aims are all gathered into one tidy little banner called Al-Qaida now .
Any mad bastard anywhere in the world with access to everyday items can go out and murder people and instantly become Al-Qaida can't they .
Even if the terrorist were part of some real entity then when that entity fragments into internal feuding they still kill a hell of a lot of innocent people as well as a few of each other .
It doesn't help when you start comparing all Muslims to dear old Bin Laden. You reap what you sow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radier
Be my guest ant quote me when I said that... :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
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Originally Posted by Radier
Broadly painting 'the muslims' as warlike extremists. Admitted, you didn't literally compare all muslims to Bin Laden, that was somewhat poor rhetoric on my part when paraphrasing your post, but the point still stands. If you're going to insult people's religious beliefs you can hardly be surprised when they're not too happy about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radier
BTW, nice avatar! ~;)
So much for Jordanian national security:
Jordanian soldiers seduced by Al-Qaeda ‘aided’ suicide attacks
A nationwide hunt for the accomplices of suicide bombers who blew up three hotels in Amman, killing 57 people, has led to the arrest of at least 10 members of the Jordanian armed forces, triggering worries that Al-Qaeda has infiltrated the Arab army most closely allied to the West.
The Jordanians’ fear that Al-Qaeda might have infiltrated the armed forces was raised for the first time in August, when a missile was fired from the shore at an American warship in the Red Sea port of Aqaba. “They are inside,” a security source said. “It remains to be seen how many they are and how dangerous.”
Sunday Times
Jordanian soldiers seduced by Al-Qaeda ‘aided’ suicide attacks
OK forget Iran and Syria , lets invade Jordan .~;)
Not much of a surprise really, but rather unpleasant nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Has anyone else seen the bizarre footage of the surviving female suicide bomber's confession on Jordanian state tv? She actually demonstrated the explosive belt that failed to trigger in a corner of the wedding party. Her husband was purportedly 'covering' the opposite corner of the hall. When he blew himself up and she failed to do the same, the woman fled outside with the surviving wedding guests. Only after Al Qaeda published their communique, saying there had been four suicide bombers including the spouse of one of them, the security forces were alerted as to her existence.
Weird. ~:handball:
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I mean weird in the sense that this was a message from Jordanian security to Al Qaida saying 'we have got one of yours and she is talking'. Why would they want to do that? Jordanian security have the reputation of being quite effective, but as far as I know they are a bunch of rather mediocre fascists unsuited to the real job. (The Syrians, now there is a security service...) Of course AdrianII may be the actual idiot who doesn't spot the obvious. So, is this tv confession just another blooper or is it a brilliant move?
I think its a great news that some of these terrorist are actually caught alive. That way their contacts can maybe catched too. While it still has the same effect then cutting of one of Hydras head, even little progress is better then no progress at all.
What I meant to say is that Al Qaeda were probably not aware that the woman had survived, that she had been caught and that she was talking. Why alert them? It seems an extremely stupid move -- unless there are overriding political reasons to show the woman on tv right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
I think that the only reason Jordanese intelligence people went public with that was that the woman really didnt know anything important. I agree with you Mr.Inquisitor that if it was an political decision to put her in public, and If she had known something important.That would have been stupid indeed.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Maybe. But then again...Quote:
Originally Posted by kagemusha
Mr. Muasher said the suicide vest was found with her. He said she is the sister of a slain al-Qaida militant from Anbar province in Iraq. Mr. Muasher said her brother, who was killed in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, was once the right-hand man of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, whose terrorist group, al-Qaida in Iraq, has claimed responsibility for the hotel bombings.As for the political need: her appearance on tv may have been a move to demonstrate to the Jordanians that the attacks were really the work of Al Qaida, not the Americans or Israelis as many Jordanians seem to believe.
Link
And I can't help wondering about the wording of her 'confession' which was no doubt rehearsed. Her demeanour and words seem to suggest she was a mere pawn of her husband and she may have sabotaged her own 'detonation' on purpose. About the wedding she said 'There was a wedding at the hotel with children, women and men inside', in that order -- suggesting she might have felt that children and (other) women really shouldn't be targets of the 'Lord's wrath'. All this to convince would-be followers of Al-Zarqawi that their 'hero' is senselessly sacrificing women and children, including those of his own comrades, a notion that hopefully reflects badly on his reputation. Don't forget, this fight is for the hearts and minds of Jordanians, and of Arabs in general.
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Oh look, more operative brilliance."Jordan is at the top of our list of foreign partners," said Michael Scheuer, who resigned from the CIA and who recently led a unit responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden.Isn't anybody using their brains anymore? :confused:
"We have similar agendas, and they are willing to help any way they can," he told the Times.