NG, I'd have to say that I do believe Alrowan probably speaks for more people than you do in this situation though.
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NG, I'd have to say that I do believe Alrowan probably speaks for more people than you do in this situation though.
oh, and another thing, is this just a Lebanese thing, a Lebanese Muslim thing, a general Muslim thing or what that's involved in all of this?
Edit: I mean are Christian Arabs involved in this (most Australian Lebanese are Christian, I think Australian Iraqis tend to be Christian too)?
What about the Lebanese Christians in Australia , are they all alledgedly gang rapists as well , or is it just alledgedly Muslims ?
How can the average drunk be sure that he is bashing an evil Muslim instead of an honourable Christian .
The government must take action , time to get them to sew the old crescent onto their clothes I think .
edit to add . damn you taffy , you beat me to it .
Tribesman,
No, I was talking about the "them" and "us" mentality.
Now then, Australian papers I read clearly showed that this was held on both sides. However, head scarves, mosques etc. getting mentioned in these stories makes it sound like a Muslim thing. I was just wondering whether the non-Muslim Arabs were involved in the trouble too.
Is it a race thing or a religious thing that the non-Aussie Aussies (as those quoted seem to see themselves) have an issue with with the Aussies?
or is it a mixture of both (as I reckon it probably is on the "Aussie" side).
Edit: bah, I thought you were having a go at me.
We have had similar problems in urban public swimming pools in The Netherlands. It is not the 'traditionalist' first generation, but some of the second and third generation boys that cause trouble. They are torn between two cultures, they dress like the late Tupac Shakur and act like Eddy Murphy on speed. Increased policing worked, the worst characters were arrested and given restraining orders and such. Nearly all of the trouble is over now. But hang on -- what worked best of all was to have those pools patrolled by some of the best-behaved Arab kids, paid and all, dressed in a uniform (of the 'Stadswacht' or 'Urban Guard' as we call it) and under constant police supervision. They know what their peers are up to, they know how to dissuade them, and how to suppress any problems quickly if need be. In a sense they were teaching each other, and thereby themselves, how to behave in a situation their parents hadn't exactly prepared them for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alrowan
I'm speaking for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
"believe the all-white 'Bra Boys' haven't been all that nice either,"
Brah boys isn't even near all white...
Isnt it strange that here in the US where the rest of the world thinks of us as racists this doesnt happen. Why? Because we actually do assimilate other cultures and make them part of America. Not only do they become americans but we adopt certain parts of their culture. Again much like Rome. We have so many different peples and races here in New York City that you dont even look twice at most people or think their strange.Quote:
the thing is, australia always bills itself as a multidcultural society, saying we accept this culture and that culture, but the problem is just that, by saying we accept the different cultures is asking for trouble, because what most people dont understand is that in reality the mentality of people comes down to "them" and "us".
I cant wait. Westside Story is on again thursday night. It pretty much tells the story of how this sort of thing happens. And its the best musical of all time.:san_rolleyes:
Never. Happens. Here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Mariamariamariaaaaaaaa! :san_tongue:
That's a joke, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Lalalala, Gawain doesn't hear you! Mariamariamariaaa!! :san_lipsrsealed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
I know, yesterday Koby even claimed that they have a few Lebanese members, but boy, the lot of them do sound white, smell white, and look white on a beach... They have a history of attacking, stabbing, robbing and even killing Orientals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Efrem
One example among many that got coverage: on April 14th, 2003, Chinese shopkeeper Wei Xu was confronted by a violent shop invasion of ten Maroubra youths who trashed his shop. His wife was dragged outside and knocked unconscious and later had to be taken to hospital with severe bruisings. The son was struck on the head with a wooden mallet. The father detained the gang leader but was asked to release him when the police arrived. The next day afternoon the son was again bashed over the head with a chair by the gang leader. The Chinese boy was returning from a University exam he couldn't cancel. When Mr Xu went to his son's rescue he was kicked unconscious by a dozen youths. The mother ran down to protect her husband's head and she was beaten unconscious for the second time. The whole family was hospitalised.
What the hell were the police doing these two days? And why is any one surprised that when such behaviour is left unchecked for years, and possibly decades, outsiders come in and want a piece of the action?
The Brah boys beat up the police and get away with it due to corruption.
but wtf is your point with that? Beating up asians doens't make them white? What you're suggesting that is awefully racist My freind.
They aren't a white gang they are a mourabrah gang.
Is that so? Where do they get the money for it? From drug trafficking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Efrem
I never said that, did I? I said they look white, smell white and sound white. And they have a history of attacking and robbing Asians. The former does not follow from the latter. Now, wtf is your own point? That this sort of behaviour is OK as long as it is the locals doing it?Quote:
Beating up asians doens't make them white?
Or the other way around with some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
so you are in the netherlands yet you seem to know the racial make up of Australian Gangs very well? and to prove your point you bring up an article of them attacking asians..
Oh for Pete's sake, read what I said. I brought up the story as an example of local gangland culture in the all-white Shire. Never mind the occasional native, black or Chinese gang member. Seems like Cronulla could use some zero-telorance policing no matter who 'got there first'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Efrem
But now you are telling me the police don't act because they are corrupt. That is news for me. Can you elaborate?
not very famous case from back in 2002. A group of 60 Brah boys absolutly destroyed a group of 40 off duty policemen in a mass fight they got. One blinded a police officer and got a $200 fine. Today the Brah boys had a press conference... Its almost community group rather than gang. And it certainly isn't all white. or at all racially based.
I don't know. Beating up police officers doesn't sound like a community effort to me. Are you sure this isn't Koby and a few others putting an acceptable face on things and distancing themselves from the rioters to save their cosy advertising contracts? When gangs start claiming they support the established order (and the Bra Boys to do just that) they usually have some vested interests. And if their crimes are met with riduculously low fines they usually have some friends in the police with similar interests. You following my fine white line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Efrem
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Originally Posted by AdrianII
You are a 'do it yourselve kind of person' huh :san_laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
also about the shire being an "all white" area is a huge lie, come across the woronora river to where i live in Menai and its fairly mixed between middle easterners, and aussies. We have some gang problems, but most get along, seeing as the middle easterners here are far from lower class, like in lakemba
Point taken. So what is the story on police corruption around Cronulla that Efrem was talking about? I would really like to know more about that. I mean I read horror stories about substance abuse on Cronulla. Even if they are far overboard, my first thought would be to, ehm, sniff for illicit gains so to speak. Does that make sense? And are the Leb gangs involved in drug traffic too? Given their country of origin it wouldn't exactly surprise me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alrowan
At least I don't make up my own statistics. :san_cheesy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
rotflmao Good one GawainQuote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
America has this 'american dream' thing go for it, it is still an ideal. People move to america to build up a new life, they come europe(can't speak for australia) to hike along for the money; with the intention to move back one day. Unlike europe America expects people to do their best, if you don't do your best you fail. In Europe, when you don't do your best, there is a whole army of leftists to make it appear you are actually struggling and just can't help it when you rob a grannie.
an Aussie cop's opinion on some of this stuff:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/artic...article_id=581
'But more remarkable were the occupants of the house. They were very recent arrivals from Lebanon, and from the moment we entered the premises, we wrestled and fought with the male occupants, were abused and spat at by the women and children, and our search took five times longer because of the impediments placed before us by the occupants, including the women hiding heroin in baby nappies and on themselves and refusing to be searched by policewomen because of religious beliefs. We had never encountered these problems before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
As was the case in those days, we arrested every adult and teenager who had hampered our search. When it came to court, they were represented by Legal Aid, of course, who claimed that these people were innocent of the minor charges of public disorder and hindering police, because they were recent arrivals from a country where people have an historical hatred towards police, and that they also had poor communications skills and that the police had not executed the warrant in a manner that was acceptable to the Muslim occupants.'
As a side note, I wonder how long before law enforcement types seek the ability to (temporarily) disable SMS texting on local phone services. The sheer number of quickly-assembled combatants, both in Oz, and last month in France, seems highly enhanced by this means of communication.
"2100 5th n Main BYOB bash0rama" sent to your 200-mate address book brings a flashmob to a scene that before might have been 6 guys duking it out.
I remember when the idea of insta-crowds was amusing.
That would do it, for a few hours. I have said it before and I say it again, the only counter for their hate is fear. They believe in sharia, they laugh at our laws that are made for more civilized organisms. Australians have gone a long way, at least they don't roll over when threatened, they act, that I respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan