Vikings were very nice people.....to their own kind and others they respected.
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Vikings were very nice people.....to their own kind and others they respected.
Vikings didn't care about their own kind. They were more than willing to attack other Scandinavians either as pirates or as the hired help of Franks, English, etcetera.
Trajen the 1st:
1- Abassid Caliphs... 1050s - 1150s selcuklu dependent. after 1150s copmlete independent. 1258... until.
2- medieval persian factions:
....... 11.cntry: taberistan - shirvan - buveyhi emirates /
....... 12.cntry: shirvan - mazenderan emirates /
....... 12. and 13.cntrys: gurs /
....... 14.cntry: serbedars - kart - mezafferi emirates /
3- siciliy and south italy normans...
Yes but you see those were other clans. so other factions histroy just sums them all together as vikings when really there were tons of diffrent factions. Just like the world German covers all the tribes.
SPAIN FACTION
SPAIN IN 1030
http://www.iturnet.es/navarra/spanish_kingdoms_1030.jpg
In the year 1030 there were 2 Christian kingdoms in Spain:
León and Navarre.
SPAIN IN 1200
http://www.euratlas.net/AHP/temps/so1200.jpg
In the year 1200 there were 4 Christian kingdoms in Spain:
Portugal, León, Castile, Navarre, Aragon
Then, why in the game Spain is the only faction?:embarassed:
I hope that there will be much more factions especilly in Balkans.I hope that I'm going to see Serbia and Bulgaria.I want to see Bulgaria becouse they were greatest power in Balkans for almost 50-60 years,especialy under Simeon who proclamaed himself emperor after taking almost Byzantine lands in Europe,he was stoped at Corinth and under city walls of Constntinopole.I want to see Serbia becouse they also have self proclaimed Emperor.King Dusan(later emperor)was greatest ruler in the eastern europe in period(1331-1355)he conquered almost all Byzantine land in Europe he sucessfuly defat king Ludovic of Hungary,he have only one defat.Turks defat him at Didimotike in 1354,after that Dusan have asked and he was granted a promision to start a crusade against Turks.He was anaunced to be a leader in that crusade,but he die in 1355 and crusade never came to life.After his death Turks were take almost the hole balcans in about 30 years.I think that Serbia need to be in this Total war becouse Emperor of the Serbs was the only Eastern europe ruler who was singed to be a leader in the crusade,unfortunaly his death stop him to that.
I apologized to everyone if I have some writhing erors I still go in Highschool in Serbia I hope that everyone could understand what I am try to say.
Please tell me what you think of this what I said.Thanks...
all you are saying is great but imagine if they had to make every upstart and self proclaimed empire that existed for less than 50 years there would be 100 factions...it would be impassible....but they can take these characters and make them into a rebel factions and let them pop out every so often, that would enchance the game and you would see them in the game.
I don't want them to over script the game by having this faction or that faction become suddenly become powerful at a predetermined time. Each campaign should play out differently. If you want to simulate the fact that factions waxed and waned in prominence the best way of simulating that is with different starting times.
Sicily isn't Italian. It was a mix of Italians, native Sicilians, Carthaginians, Greeks and Romans. They are Sicilian.
Anyway, how are the Timurids there? Didn't Tamerlane claim to be descended from Genghis? My Medieval history is close to nil, so excuse me if I'm wrong.
i must reply on what you told becouse Serbs were independent from 9.century until arival of the Turks in Europe.Then Serbs hold of Turk invasion of the Europe for 70years in great battle on Kosovo where first Turkish Sultan was murderd.Battle was a draw but Serbia has never recovered after that battle.So Serbia finaly lose indendence in 1459,six years after fall of Constantinopole.So Serbia was independent for almost entire midle age.I think that this new game need to have some minor factions to make a game more interesting and more chalenging,and I think that Serbia and Bulgaria need to be in the game as minor factions.Also one more thing Simeon of Bulgaria wasn't self proclaimed emperor,byzantine emperor gave him this title as it was most important thing he asked in a peace treaty.
I would just like to add some maps that can back up previous post..
It would really be great if M2TW could be as historicly accurate as possible.
Dusan Silni (Dushan the Mighty) had controled most of the Balkans in medieval period, with its peak in mid 14cntry. Serbian faction was signifcant power in south-eastern Europe at that time. And it didn't last for a short period of time, but for about 5 centuries they kept their independance.
I think that the realism of the game will suffer if factions like this are left out.
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/balkans/sb1196.gif
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/balkans/sb1355.gif
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/balkans/sb1389.gif
I always find this an interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ride the lightning
If they renamed the early English faction, the Normans, they could also give them Sicily.
The east will make an interesting battle ground with Poland, Russia, Hungary, The Turks, Egyptians and Tumurids also fighting against The Mongol onslaught.Quote:
Bob Smith:There will be 21 playable factions for custom battle and multiplayer. England, France, Scotland, Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Milan, Venice, Papal States, Sicily, Poland, Russia, Hungary, Byzantium, The Turks, Egypt, The Moors, The Mongols, The Tumurids, The Aztecs.
Central Europe does worry me a little. I would be far more happier if it also included Burgundy and the Swiss cantons. The game is going upto 1530 so you would expect to have the conflicts of Burgundy and the Cantons. The Burgundian empire was large and included large parts of Flanders and Artois. MTW finished in 1453 with the end of the hundred years war, but this new game will go past the War of the Roses leaving europe looking a very different continent.
Yeah but the normans in sicily never held their lands of the english kings but of the pope. Any king of england would never had any say in sicily and naples.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesWolf
Yes but William the conqueror was also Duke of Normandy (part of the French Crown)Quote:
Originally Posted by Riadach
It would be far better to make England part of the Norman empire. And then in 1154 have a civil war that split England into a seperate nation.
Or not have Normandy as part of England, but leave it as part of France and have the Duke being a blood relation to the King of England at the start of the game.
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Originally Posted by ShadesWolf
I can understand your point shades but instead of the Normans i would add a european faction in the central or east area either Bohemia or Lithuania, just to balance things up a bit
EUROPE IN 1075
http://www.uam.es/departamentos/filo...mapas/1075.gif
And I would add: Normans, too. As far as Timur ( or Tamerlane is concerned) is concerned he did claim to be a descendant of Genghis khan although he was not. Anyway he was a mongol leader but a muslim mongol leader ( not pagan like Genghis khan) and with a different tactic ( he used to gather all his army and hit unlike Genghis khan who preferred to use several smaller but fast armies on a giant front).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
Bulgaria was not a main Balkan power only in Xth century ( when Simeon ruled) but was a powerful rival of Byzantium in VIIth (from 680-681) , VIIIth, esp in IXth and Xth and even in XI (before 1018 ). From 1018- 1185 Bulgaria was under Byzantine power but there was nine rebellions in XIth (two of them of Petar Delian and of Constantine Bodin and Georgi (George) Boyteh almost succeeded). And XIIth century there was only one but in the best moment in 1185 Petar and Asen succeded in restoring Bulgaria. So between 1185 and 1396 Bulgarian tzardom existed and was one of the Balkan powers. It was definately the most powerful Balkan country from 1185 to 1241 ( some glorious events the disastrous ( for the Crusaders) defeat of Adrianople in 1205, between 1230 and 1246 the territory of Bulgaria covered almost the whole Balkan peninsula ( although a bit smaller(!) than Simon's Bulgaria and near to the size of Bulgaria in IXth and Xth so that's not just a temporary event). The destruction of Bulgarian tzardom came with the Mongol hordes who went through the Bulgarian lands in 1242-1243. :skull: Bulgaria regain some of its power in the beginning of XIVth century but at that time Serbian power had risen. After Serbian victory in 1330 Serbia for a while became the most powerful country in the Balkan peninsula but Bulgaria was still an important country. Bulgaria was the first Balkan couhtry to fall victim of the Ottomans but not because it was the weakest ( as weak as other Christian countries ( Serbia, Byzantium) ) but because it was situated in the centre of the Balkan peninsula and its capital was not Constantinople.
So this is the Bulgarian history in brief. For more info I'm ready to give if asked~;) . I've mentioned it in other posts but I decided to put it here so more people can read it. Other my posts on this topic can be found in in
' Over 30 factions ' thread. So I think Bulgaria should be at least minor (but not rebel) faction.
Here is my favourite ( or at least most used) map of Bulgaria. I'll put it here again to make my point more clear
http://debian.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/~niko...VAN-ASEN-2.jpg
And once again thanks to http://debian.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/~niko...VAN-ASEN-2.jpg.
P.S. :oops: as always my explanations are far more than needed.
spain_medieval , as far as I know the byz empire lost its all lands in Italy in 1071 (Bari). And I think it had little in the northwestern Minor Asia. And Antioch and Edesa was ruled until 1085 by a byzantine not by an Armenian tycoon. But the map is good- it's interesting to me to learn how many muslim countries there was in Spain.
Edit:Disregard my note for the not-armenian tycoon. I checked his name Filaret Bachram. Maybe he's armenian,I am not sure. I am not sure he was loyal to byz then...
In single 1080 there were 2 Christian kingdoms in Spain:
1- The kingdom of LEON
2- The kingdom of NAVARRE
(Aragon was Muslim and Castile did not even exist)
The kingdom of LEON
http://members.fortunecity.es/edepaz...eon-escudo.gif
The kingdom of NAVARRE
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Beltza.svg.png
http://www.iturnet.es/navarra/spanish_kingdoms_1030.jpg
Stephen Asen,I think you weren't fer when you spoke about Bulgaria.I also said that Bulgaria need to be in the MTW2 but I must say some facts.First Second Bulgarian Tzardom was established when crusaders conquer constantinopole.Brothers Asen rebelion in the late 12century was not a suces.Also Serbia was bigest power in the balkans in the whole 14century until the Kosovo Battle.Mongol invasion had weaken the Bulgarian Empire,but Bulgaria after invasion had recovered and with Mihailo Shisman they in the aliance with Byzantine Emperor Andronic the third declared war to Serbia.Bulgaria was defeted by Stefan Decanski in the batle at Velbuzd,in that battle young Dusan(later emperor called the Mighty)show the world his military skils.After that battle Bulgaria had been friendly with Serbia and they were in the aliance until Dusan sudden death in 1355.After his death Serbia was the devited to the Serbian Feudal lords but they were stronger then Bulgaria in that period of time.I yhink that Serbia and Bulgaria need to be in MTW2 and I think that Kosovo battle should be historical battle,and also it could be historical battle at Klokotnica in 1230 when Ivan2.Asen won a battle against Epir Despot Teodor 1. Angelo.
will they have the Swiss Armounded Pikemen like they did before in the first MTW,and will they have the Swiss too,cuz I like playing as the Swiss on MP on VI..
Quote:
Originally Posted by spain_medieval
Why have you put Denmark in parenthesis beneath Norway? At 1050 the dark ages under Danish control had yet to come..
cilikia armenia error ... after 1080...
in anatolia .. aegean - marmara coasts ..
and palestine.. 1076 - 1081 selchuk conquest..
vlahs error.
danube north be vlahs: after 1230s
khazars error.
after 965 ...absent khazars..
I am absolutely sure Petar and Asen succeded in restoring Bulgaria 1185-1186. Most probably you were misled by the fact that byzantine emperor Isaac II Angelus restored his power in Bulgarian lands. But he didn't put ANY army there (byz sarcastically joked that Isaac II did for a month that what Basil II had done for decades ) and after a few months Bulgarian rebels came back with a Cuman reinforcement. Bulgarian tsardom was restored successfully in 1186 (again ) and Isaac II Angelus tried to defeat Bulgarians again. NO SUCCESS- two months siege of Lovech ( a powerful fort) and he came back in Constantinople. It's true byz didn't admit Bulgaria was restored but in fact Bulgaria was restored. One more proof during the Third crusade in 1189 the crusades of Frederick Barbarossa passed through the Balkan peninsula there was a conflict between byz and Frederick and then Petar and Asen ( Bulgarians suggested to give 60 000 troops while Serbs 30 000 ( of course both were exaggerated by the historians) against the byz ( which meant they were free in 1189 ). After the Crusade threat passed in 1190 Isaac II tried to defeat Bulgarians but was defeated ( he almost saved his own life).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzar Dusan of Serbs
Bulgarian tsardom was officially proclaimed to be a independent state on 8th of November 1204 by pope Innocent III some months after the fall of Constantinople but THAT WAS THE OFFICIAL ACT WHILE THE REAL WAS TWO DECADES EARLIER. Maybe that misled you.
The second about Michael Shishman. Bulgaria was for more than 50 pillaged by the Mongol hordes and that could not be overcome in 3 decades. In addition Bulgaria lost many of its traditional medieval lands ( Tracia, Macedonia and even Walachia) because of the Mongol invasion. And in addition Andronicus III wasn't very loyal ally ( if at all he could be called 'ally')
About the third statement - maybe my point was not very clear. Bulgaria fell first not because it was the weakest ( because of the weakest organisation, the weakest army in such aspect) but because geographically it was exposed to the Turkish raids and I'm sure if Serbia was in the central Balkan peninsula and Bulgaria in the west Bulgaria would have resisted( for ex. would have fallen in 1459) far more than Serbia . And what about Byzantium- she was definately not the weakest Balkan countries but it had to fight first against the Turkish invaders and that doomed byz to be the city-state in the Balkan peninsula. Just geography.
spain_medieval I was not surprised by the number of the Christian states but of the Muslim ones.
[QUOTE=bozkirsovalyesi]
vlahs error.
danube north be vlahs: after 1230s
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I think vlachs appeared in the end of XIIIth century ( although the process of forming of the vlachs as an ethnic group started after 1018).
SPAIN
Kingdom of Navarre.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...on_Navarre.png
http://www.dpz.es/ifc/AtlasH/indice_...al/img/40b.gif
Nice picture, spain_medieval:2thumbsup: . I'm interested in the Muslim states in the continent, too.:inquisitive:
Tzar Dusan of Serbia. Please note that after 1355 the biggest Balkan power are the Ottomans not the remnants of the Serbian empire. Although they had some successs they were doomed,too.
Edited(to make this clear):Anyway, I'm for Bulgaria and Serbia in the game,too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Asen
Thanks, are a pleasure. :laugh4:
The kingdoms of SPAIN:
1- The kingdom of Castile and Leon:
first shield http://www.sbs.es/canalejas/escudo%20leon%202.GIF second shield http://www.dhistoria.com/web/img/heraldica-91.jpg
2- The kingdom of Navarre.
first shieldhttp://members.fortunecity.com/gudari/batzuk/arrano.JPG
second shield http://www.dhistoria.com/web/img/heraldica-102.jpg
Do you like too ? Do you like Spain ? :juggle2:
SPAIN
- The kingdom of Navarre:
http://www.lilliputmodel.com/articul...do_navarra.gif
Navarrese horseman
http://www.lilliputmodel.com/articul...a/navarra7.jpghttp://www.lilliputmodel.com/articul...a/navarra8.jpg
Navarrese infant
http://www.hobbiesguinea.com/images/54073.jpg