I still think Satan is a really bad role model. Anyway, whats wrong with Christianity in the first place? I know the church sucks but the idea is really rather nice. Peace, love and forgiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
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I still think Satan is a really bad role model. Anyway, whats wrong with Christianity in the first place? I know the church sucks but the idea is really rather nice. Peace, love and forgiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
You've convinced me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
are you asking me or just making a statement of opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Well if I wasn't asking I wouldn't have posted. What is wrong with the basic Christian premis?
Are you asking for an opinion, here? It looked like a rhetorical question to me, too.
is there such thing as a "basic christian premise"? the philosophies of most religions seem much too complex to be simplified as such. regardless, i'm an atheist of some sort, and a skeptic in general, so the philosophical problem i have with christianity (and most religions) is the supernatural aspect. generally speaking, the faults i find with religion/spirituality are derived from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
now, to take your presentation of "peace, love and forgiveness". i have no problem with the first two.. almost all people wants those things, and they are of course not proprietary to spiritualities. as such, they seem to obviate spiritual philosophy, if "peace" and "love" are a sizeable part thereof.
as for "forgiveness", what exactly needs to be forgiven? to whom, by whom? please explain.
What's wrong with the Christian beliefs.
1. Falsehood
God seems to break his own laws, the Christian God is a tyrant.
In the Exodus God kills all the Egyptian newborns for.......political reasons( The independance of the Israelites). If God is so divine why does he care to intervean in politics. How can you cal him just. God in the Bible makes regular abuses. God send plagues, his prophets "fix" them ( Abraham is a well-known chancer and scammer - He behaves like Loki- decieving the Pharaoh and a Caanite King). Abraham prostitutes his wife with God's approval.
Satan's actually the "good guy". After all he as a revolutionary and hummanist figure he shows more mercy than God. He shows compassion towards Christ, he tries to discuss with Abraham but he gets stoned. Etc...
Christianity as it is promotes tyrany and abuses. It turns deceit, conformity and fear into a religion. If God is so mercifull how comes he created Hell or God didn't create nothing and it's just another god trying to gain influience.
God may have originated in Egypt during the reign of Echnaton, the first monotheistic tyrant. Monotheism was developed to encourage a centralized system.
That is a massive over-simplification. For starters you aren't talking about the Christain God but the God of the Israelites.
1. It was all the first borns and there were a few signs prior to this, a few plagues maybe? The Egyption Pharoh had the Israelites enslaved, something you're ignoring. The Pharoh is responsible for his people and he chose to have them suffer, he was ample given warning.
2. Abraham does what he has to to get by. Prostitutes his wife? Sorry don't remember that in Genesis.
How about some references.
This isn't the place to discuss Christianity and it's potential flaws, as that would require a whole new thread. The main problem LaVey had with Christianity is the forgiveness part. Not that he's principially against it, but he argued that it is an unrealistic doctrine to follow. If someone hits you, hit back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Of course, apart from that, he also had a entirely different view on sexuality than some past and contemporary Christians.