Islamic Law comming to a European Nation near you.

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No, my point was that bmolsson made the statement that the US has not found a way to co-exist with Islam unlike Europe which is making the attempt yo comprimise.

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And that is why you see burning cars here in soon to become Eurabia. European leaders never miss a chance to suck up on our muslim communities, madness if you ask me. The last thing you should do when dealing with violent cultures is showing weakness but our leaders are just civil servants that like to play politician. When the shit hits the fan they just look away and continue to pretend they disagree, and afterwards those that so fiercily debated unimportant details smoke a few cigars in the salon.

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Europe are trying to find a compromise to co-exist with Islam, US don't.

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Errm..No. The US actually treats its muslims much better than European nations and is more compromising. While their image has taken a hit with the invasions and deaths, Abu Ghraib, and other scandals, muslims and Islam IN the US are much better off and much better tolerated than in Europe.

Muslims in the US are generally well to do, and have much lower crime rates than the average of the US, while muslims in Europe are largely poor, confined in ghettos, victims of institutionalized racism to a degree, and have higher rates of crime. The American populace also has a much more favorable opinion of Islam and Muslims than the Europeans do.

Say what you want about the US government, policy, media, etc... they all suck, but the American people are still some of the nicest you'll find on the planet...

It's obvious that religion is exempt from criticism from its practitioners. And they want to include non-practitioners as well. :no: :skull:

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He also urged the European Union to criminalize blasphemy against any religion, including pagan religions.

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1) Including the Flying Spaghetti Monster? :laugh4:

2) Religion X has a set of arbitrary and questionable rules that cannot be changed EVER. That's degenerate.

WE don't want to follow these baseless rules! It's called Freedom of Expression!!

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Errm..No. The US actually treats its muslims much better than European nations and is more compromising. While their image has taken a hit with the invasions and deaths, Abu Ghraib, and other scandals, muslims and Islam IN the US are much better off and much better tolerated than in Europe.

Muslims in the US are generally well to do, and have much lower crime rates than the average of the US, while muslims in Europe are largely poor, confined in ghettos, victims of institutionalized racism to a degree, and have higher rates of crime. The American populace also has a much more favorable opinion of Islam and Muslims than the Europeans do.

Say what you want about the US government, policy, media, etc... they all suck, but the American people are still some of the nicest you'll find on the planet...

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Pointless arguing. The latinos are treated much better in Europe than in the US. It's related to the size of the community. I don't know how large is the latinos community in the US, but I'd say larger than 10%, just like there's more than 10% muslims inhabitants in France.
Ask the ghetto-ised black and latinos if they think white americans are that nice. I'm fairly sure their answer will be 'they're racist, they treat us like shit'. Ask the european ghetto-ised arab/turks, and they'll likely have the same feeling.

Another point is that the American culture is quite open to religions, while most europeans think that religion is either a, a waste of time or b, a total crap. We've been fighting our way until the achievement of a secularized state, and we see people who think their (foreign) religion is more important than everything else. Obviously, these 2 points of view can't get along.

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Pointless arguing. The latinos are treated much better in Europe than in the US. It's related to the size of the community. I don't know how large is the latinos community in the US, but I'd say larger than 10%, just like there's more than 10% muslims inhabitants in France.

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That sums it up. And another aspect is that in most Muslim countries the U.S. is hated outright and has an image much worse than the European image. Hence '9/11' and so on.

We can discuss these issues. Or we can descend to the Dev Dave level of going 'Your cars are burning! No, your Twin Towers are burning! Nja nja nananjaa!'

I know what I prefer. :mellow:

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Pointless arguing. The latinos are treated much better in Europe than in the US. It's related to the size of the community. I don't know how large is the latinos community in the US, but I'd say larger than 10%, just like there's more than 10% muslims inhabitants in France.
Ask the ghetto-ised black and latinos if they think white americans are that nice. I'm fairly sure their answer will be 'they're racist, they treat us like shit'. Ask the european ghetto-ised arab/turks, and they'll likely have the same feeling.

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Muslims are either the second largest religious group in America, or are in the passing lane of Jews...

My "pointless arguing" was against the notion the Europe is somehow more welcoming to Muslims and Islam than America. It is not. And I'm talking about certain countries in particular, others like Spain, are quite tolerant of their muslim minorities.

But I digress...or is it you? :huh:

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Another point is that the American culture is quite open to religions, while most europeans think that religion is either a, a waste of time or b, a total crap. We've been fighting our way until the achievement of a secularized state, and we see people who think their (foreign) religion is more important than everything else. Obviously, these 2 points of view can't get along.

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Yep, you hit the nail on the head with that one...

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That sums it up. And another aspect is that in most Muslim countries the U.S. is hated outright and has an image much worse than the European image. Hence '9/11' and so on.

We can discuss these issues. Or we can descend to the Dev Dave level of going 'Your cars are burning! No, your Twin Towers are burning! Nja nja nananjaa!'

I know what I prefer.

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Oh poop... :sad: I bolded and italicized that word for nothing... :no:

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Pointless arguing. The latinos are treated much better in Europe than in the US. It's related to the size of the community. I don't know how large is the latinos community in the US, but I'd say larger than 10%, just like there's more than 10% muslims inhabitants in France.

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That sums it up. And another aspect is that in most Muslim countries the U.S. is hated outright and has an image much worse than the European image. Hence '9/11' and so on.

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That sums up nothing. In America anyone's welcome who generates some money. The entire country was made of immigrants, so we don't suffer from the same cultural and ethnic vanity you all do.

There's nothing multicultural about America. We have one culture, which is work hard and make money. Anyone may feel free to apply. Comparing the two groups is silly. Latinos are integrating the same slow way the Italians did way back when. They're not trying to rewrite our Constitution, either.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...24ABD29218.htm

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Muslims are either the second largest religious group in America, or are in the passing lane of Jews...

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There are about 5 million Muslims in the United States, nearly half of whom are African American Muslims, in other words: Muslims who were born and raised in the U.S. and fully imbibed its culture. Between 17 and 30 percent of American Muslims are only recent converts to the faith.

Immigration from Muslim countries to the U.S. has long been restricted. Until the 1980's the trickle of Muslim immigrants who made it through were on average much higher educated than Muslim immigrants in Europe because that was the main immigration requirement since Johnson scrapped the country of origin quotas.

Once in the U.S. these Muslim immigrants encountered such discrimination that they often changed their names and scrapped any practices that made them appear 'different'. It is only recently that Muslims in the U.S. make themselves heard as such, and many of their demands are similar to those of pious Muslims in Europe.

Really, the whole notion of the U.S. being more favourable to Muslim immigrants (and particularly conducive to reform of Islam) than Europe falls apart on closer inspection.

Of course these are only facts.

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There are about 5 million Muslims in the United States, nearly half of whom are African American Muslims, in other words: Muslims who were born and raised in the U.S. and fully imbibed its culture. Between 17 and 30 percent of American Muslims are only recent converts to the faith.

Immigration from Muslim countries to the U.S. has long been restricted. Until the 1980's the trickle of Muslim immigrants who made it through were on average much higher educated than Muslim immigrants in Europe because that was the main immigration requirement since Johnson scrapped the country of origin quotas.

Once in the U.S. these Muslim immigrants encountered such discrimination that they often changed their names and scrapped any practices that made them appear 'different'. It is only recently that Muslims in the U.S. make themselves heard as such, and many of their demands are similar to those of pious Muslims in Europe.

Really, the whole notion of the U.S. being more favourable to Muslim immigrants (and particularly conducive to reform of Islam) than Europe falls apart on closer inspection.

Of course these are only facts.

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The first paragraph has facts in it...maybe the second, but I'll have to confirm that...

The rest and especially the last, who are you trying to kid...?

And remember, In Spain, after the Madrid bombings, a fatwa was released declaring Bin Laden an apostate (very hard to do in Islam), and since it was a time of war, the fatwa called for :hanged:.

I guess the show of solidarity by the people helped the Muslim organizations see that they were welcomed, and that Bin Laden wasn't fighting for the muslims...or Islam.

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Immigration from Muslim countries to the U.S. has long been restricted. Until the 1980's the trickle of Muslim immigrants who made it through were on average much higher educated than Muslim immigrants in Europe because that was the main immigration requirement since Johnson scrapped the country of origin quotas.

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Just curious, why did your governments let all the morons in, then? Sounds like Fragony had it right with his description of self-righteous officiousness from your politicians.

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The first paragraph has facts in it...maybe the second, but I'll have to confirm that...

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Forget, it, it's game, set and match. And the whole thing has nothing to do with fatwa's in Spain. Your must be mixing up your posts.

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Just curious, why did your governments let all the morons in, then?

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They were let in because they were needed as labourers. And they were (or are) not morons. Maybe your language reflects current American attitudes towards Latinos?

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They were let in because they were needed as labourers. And they were (or are) not morons. Maybe your language reflects current American attitudes towards Latinos?

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No, I work side by side with quite a few Latinos and Muslims and I'm not a labourer. :shrug: You brought up the difference between our 'sophisticated' Muslims and the ones immigrating to your continent.

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Forget, it, it's game, set and match. And the whole thing has nothing to do with fatwa's in Spain. Your must be mixing up your posts.

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No it's not...

Europeans are generally more intolerant of Muslims than Americans...

Muslims in America have better lives than in Europe...

Now, I'll break down your post...

There were around 3 million - 7 million muslims in America as of 2001. The 3 million figure coming from the Kosmin study, which is a survey aimed at finding the Jewish population of America. The 7 million figure comes from the ambassador to Pakistan, Millam.

As for the percentage of African American muslims, this ranges from less than a third (according to Yvonne Haddad and Adair Lummis who state that 2/3 of American Muslims are immigrants or direct descendants...) to 42%, as given by the American Muslim Council.

What is this BS about horrible discrimination that muslims changed their name or what not? Can you even find an anecdote?

And of course:

"Really, the whole notion of the U.S. being more favourable to Muslim immigrants (and particularly conducive to reform of Islam) than Europe falls apart on closer inspection."

This is your thesis (which you presume to be a fact). It is incorrect.

Here is a poll which compares American dislike of Latinos and Blacks, to some European dislike of people in muslim countries:

https://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6784/views9vy.gif

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They were let in because they were needed as labourers. And they were (or are) not morons. Maybe your language reflects current American attitudes towards Latinos?

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Heh, I could swear that some of your adjectives to describe muslims (aside from the fact that you seem to enjoy posting offensive cartoons directed at them) would reflect your attitude towards muslims...

To be continued...

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No it's not...

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LOL. All your numbers just confirm what I wrote. Game, set and match.

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What is this BS about horrible discrimination that muslims changed their name or what not? Can you even find an anecdote?

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Just as I thought, another own goal. This 'BS' comes from your own government, Roink, just like the numbers I quoted.

Read here.

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No, I work side by side with quite a few Latinos and Muslims and I'm not a labourer. :shrug:

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Then maybe Proletariat is not the navel of the universe after all.

Poverty levels of Hispanic Americans (HA), on average, are twice as high as whites. 60% of all families are headed by a female, 40% of these females don't have a high school diploma. Only about 6% of the population attend college. In terms of earnings HA average is about 60% of the white income average. HA live in segregated communities, but they are also a highly mobile group. An individual may have multiple addresses, children live with another family with a different name, 'latchkey' children are common.
HA homes are burglarised 25 times the Anglo-Saxon rate. They are the most difficult group to involve in community policing. HA have one of the highets fertility rates on earth, housing tends to be overcrowded, trends and forecasts in population growth are due to fertility and not illegal immigration. Because of their low levels of education, bilingual education was introduced specially for them. HA are politically underrepresented at all levels of goverment. Less than 20% of them are registered to vote. American culture is replete with negative stereotypes about HA. They are portrayed as lazy, shiftless, lawless, thieving, immoral, or violent.

Sounds a lot like the 'morons' (your terminology) whom the Europeans let in from Turkey, the Middle East and Northern Africa, dont it?

Now can we cut the crap and recognise that Europe and the U.S. have similar immigration issues and that maybe, just maybe we can learn a little from each other?

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LOL. All your numbers just confirm what I wrote. Game, set and match.

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Ahh, so I finally see the game you play II. Lets just look at numbers and ignore these:

Europeans are generally more intolerant of Muslims than Americans...

Muslims in America have better lives than in Europe...

But I'll indulge you in your flawed conclusions...

As for this:

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Just as I thought, another own goal. This 'BS' comes from your own government, Roink, just like the numbers I quoted.

Read here.

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Coudn't you just give me this part II?:

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Seldom, however, did Muslims find life in America to be easy. The United States is often said to be "a nation of immigrants," a "melting pot" for all races and ethnic identities, but racial prejudice, particularly in the era before the civil rights movement of the 1960s, certainly existed.

For many years, then, the response of many Muslim immigrants was to attempt to hide their religious and ethnic identities, to change their names to make them sound more American, and to refrain from participating in practices or adopting dress that would make them appear "different" from the average citizen. Gradually, as the Muslim immigrant community became much larger, much more diversified, much better educated, and much more articulate about its own self-understanding, attempts to blend into American society have given way to more sophisticated discussions about the importance of living in America but, at the same time, retaining a sense of one's own religious culture. Part of the context for such discussions has come from the formation of Muslim communities, Sunni and Shi'ite, across rural and urban America, and in more recent years of national Islamic organizations representing religious, political, professional, and social forms of association.

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Interesting...

Lets look at this part from the same document:

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The fourth and most recent wave of Muslim immigration has come after 1965, the year President Lyndon Johnson sponsored an immigration bill that repealed the longstanding system of quotas by national origin. Under the new system, preferences went to relatives of U.S. residents and those with special occupational skills needed in the United States. The new law was a signal act in American history, making it possible for the first time since the early part of the 20th century for someone to enter the country regardless of his or her national origin. After 1965, immigration from Western Europe began to decline significantly, with a corresponding growth in the numbers of persons arriving from the Middle East and Asia. In this era more than half of the immigrants to America from these regions have been Muslim.

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Racism was dwindling then, so I doubt that the recent muslim immigrants (by far the bulk of the current populations) faced this...

But please try to stay in the present II. As I've said many times before:

Europeans are generally more intolerant of Muslims than Americans...

Muslims in America have better lives than in Europe...

Think about it, immigrant muslims in Denmark have to shipped back home to be buried but dogs have their own cemetery...

In America, there are laws prohibiting discrimination in work or jobs related to race, religion, etc..., not in Denmark...

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Then maybe Proletariat is not the navel of the universe after all.

Poverty levels of Hispanic Americans (HA), on average, are twice as high as whites. 60% of all families are headed by a female, 40% of these females don't have a high school diploma. Only about 6% of the population attend college. In terms of earnings HA average is about 60% of the white income average. HA live in segregated communities, but they are also a highly mobile group. An individual may have multiple addresses, children live with another family with a different name, 'latchkey' children are common.
HA homes are burglarised 25 times the Anglo-Saxon rate. They are the most difficult group to involve in community policing. HA have one of the highets fertility rates on earth, housing tends to be overcrowded, trends and forecasts in population growth are due to fertility and not illegal immigration. Because of their low levels of education, bilingual education was introduced specially for them. HA are politically underrepresented at all levels of goverment. Less than 20% of them are registered to vote. American culture is replete with negative stereotypes about HA. They are portrayed as lazy, shiftless, lawless, thieving, immoral, or violent.

Sounds a lot like the 'morons' (your terminology) whom the Europeans let in from Turkey, the Middle East and Northern Africa, dont it?

Now can we cut the crap and recognise that Europe and the U.S. have similar immigration issues and that maybe, just maybe we can learn a little from each other?

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And yet the American populous tends to think more highly of Hispanics than the Germans of Turks, or French of North Africans...

https://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6784/views9vy.gif

And like I've stated before, these anti Muslim sentiments are smelling awfully like anti-Semetic sentiments:

In the 1930s the Danish government was sending German Jews and members of the Communist Party back to Germany if they could not make enough money to support themselves. Now with this new proposal, the same rules are coming back to hit the immigrants of today. A refugee or an immigrant who wants his wife to come to Denmark must prove to the authorities that he earns enough money to support two people, he must be over 24 years of age and must prove that he has stronger "bonds" to Denmark than the country he fled from. It is common for a family that flees for the husband to go first, and then he can get the rest of the family out later. It is clearly a cruel proposal that will let people be tortured, brutally oppressed and even left to die.

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And yet the American populous tends to think more highly of Hispanics than the Germans of Turks, or French of North Africans...

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Man if the mexicans here were to riot we would see the same thing probably worse. Adrian is right the USA has its problems as well.

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Man if the mexicans here were to riot we would see the same thing probably worse. Adrian is right the USA has its problems as well.

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Ermm.. These polls were taken much before the cartoon incident, or the riots in France...

Check Pew Global Attitudes...

I'd imagine they'd be lower now...

Europeans intolerant of Muslims are so because many Muslims do not really want to fit in with the nation. People of a Negroid or Oriental persuasion are usually more accepted than Muslims because the Muslims habitually speak their native language instead of English, whereas Chinese immigrants seem to often speak English and Black people mostly speak English anyway. Muslim people also wear their native dress, which they often refer to as "Traditional dress", for not only formal events but often as every day clothes when they are terribly impractical (why wear a flowing robe and hat in blustering gales and snow? They may be more useful in the desert...). Muslims also often protest for some inexplicable reason and often against something quite rational but against Muslim teachings and spout out the neologism of "Islamophobia" whenever anyone opposes them. They seem less concerned with becoming part of a new nation than the nation becoming a part of Islam...

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Europeans intolerant of Muslims are so because many Muslims do not really want to fit in with the nation. People of a Negroid or Oriental persuasion are usually more accepted than Muslims because the Muslims habitually speak their native language instead of English, whereas Chinese immigrants seem to often speak English and Black people mostly speak English anyway. Muslim people also wear their native dress, which they often refer to as "Traditional dress", for not only formal events but often as every day clothes when they are terribly impractical (why wear a flowing robe and hat in blustering gales and snow? They may be more useful in the desert...). Muslims also often protest for some inexplicable reason and often against something quite rational but against Muslim teachings and spout out the neologism of "Islamophobia" whenever anyone opposes them. They seem less concerned with becoming part of a new nation than the nation becoming a part of Islam...

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It then, seems to me, that some nations have had better success assimilating muslims into their tossed salad, than others...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3514590.stm

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Ermm.. These polls were taken much before the cartoon incident, or the riots in France...

Check Pew Global Attitudes...

I'd imagine they'd be lower now...

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Facts can be misleading. For the USA it needs to be done state by state.

Edit: Many European countries have a higher population of muslims and MUCH higher muslim per capita. The USA just dosent all that many. Not to mention muslims in America were born here rather than some where else

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Muslims are either the second largest religious group in America, or are in the passing lane of Jews...

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Given that Jews represent 2% of the US population, it doesn't seem that great, no ? From Wiki figures, it looks like Muslims made up 0.6% of the total population in 2001. That's still far from 10%.

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My "pointless arguing" was against the notion the Europe is somehow more welcoming to Muslims and Islam than America. It is not. And I'm talking about certain countries in particular, others like Spain, are quite tolerant of their muslim minorities.

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Yeah, Europe might not be more welcoming. I never claimed so. If people don't want to integrate, we aren't nice to them. In the US, things tend to be different, as all foreigners gather in a place that will be called 'Chinatown', 'Latinos-town' or whatever, and will create their petty ethnical/religious community. It seems to be pretty common in the US, but here in Europe, that's something we really don't like.

Apart from that, Spain is more tolerant simply because massive immigration started only a few years ago and because the muslim community isn't nearly as large as in France or UK. That's mainly why most spanish try to slow down immigration while they still can handle the issue.

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Latinos are integrating the same slow way the Italians did way back when. They're not trying to rewrite our Constitution, either.

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Muslims are integrating the same slow way the Polish did way back. They're not trying to rewrite our Constitution, either. :juggle2:
But then, some latinos would like Spanish to be the official language in the US. That sounds a bit harsher than rewriting a piece of paper. They have they own TV channels, and so on.

I won't go on explaining that there's also a much bigger cultural gap between an european and a muslim than between a mexican and an american.

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That sums up nothing. In America anyone's welcome who generates some money. The entire country was made of immigrants, so we don't suffer from the same cultural and ethnic vanity you all do.

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Well, great. In France anyone who suffered during his life is welcome. I find it silly, but heh, it's the very basis of our revolutionnary and human rights tradition.
Through the 19th and 20th century and for various reasons, we welcomed many people from Spain, Germany, Italy, Poland, Russia, as well as Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Lebanon, and the list goes on. As far as I know, most of them now live like the average french.
On a sidenote, we don't have any notion like WASP, you know the completly racist acronym still nowadays used to refers to true americans, and we're also trying (with little success I admit) to create a kind of Federal State including countries that spent centuries fighting eachothers. When it comes to cultural and ethnical vanity, I don't think the US are entitled to teach anything to Europe (and vice-versa).

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You brought up the difference between our 'sophisticated' Muslims and the ones immigrating to your continent.

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Yeah, we obviously don't have any sophisticated muslim here. Actually, they're all just a bunch of religious nutjobs wanting to behead me and stone my girlfriend to death. :dizzy2:
sarcasm off/
Actually, a lot of muslims are glad to be living in France. They love this country, even if it does not always pay back. They work hard, make money, write books, play in movies, create companies. Mind you, I even saw people manifesting against the caricatures of Muhammad telling me they would never thank France enough for what the country offered to them.

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Originally Posted by strike for the south

Facts can be misleading. For the USA it needs to be done state by state.

Edit: Many European countries have a higher population of muslims and MUCH higher muslim per capita. The USA just dosent all that many. Not to mention muslims in America were born here rather than some where else

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Ermm, 2/3 of muslims are immigrants or first or second generation children...

BTW, your "Facts can be misleading" quote is going on my sig list...:laugh2:

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Given the fact the 3 Religions of the Book make up half of the world population, it doesn't sound that weird, no ?

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??? I was just about to respond to a black comment here ???

Anyway, I never said it was weird, I merely responded to you assumption that Muslims aren't sizable in America...

*passes the doobie to the left*

I gotta get my head out of the backroom :confused:

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Europeans are generally more intolerant of Muslims than Americans...

Muslims in America have better lives than in Europe...

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Sure, because the two Muslim populations are totally different in composition. We've been there, we've seen the numbers. Get over it.

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Edit: Many European countries have a higher population of muslims and MUCH higher muslim per capita. The USA just dosent all that many. Not to mention muslims in America were born here rather than some where else

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Well yeah, that's about it.

And it is no use making lame comparisons of 'our' Muslims with 'your' Hispanics and say 'Oh look, we did better!' either. We didn't. Only the global repercussions of a large Muslim immigration in Europe are different -- culturally, politically, linguistically and religiously -- from the large Hispanic influx in the United States. Maybe we can learn from each other (and each other's mistakes) but since this is really a matter of comparing Muslim apples and Hispanic oranges, a serious comparative study of issues and politices would be very difficult. Certainly too difficult for me.

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I was just about to respond to a black comment here ???

Anyway, I never said it was weird, I merely responded to you assumption that Muslims aren't sizable in America...

*passes the doobie to the left*

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My point (which wasn't that clear, and I edited my last post) is that half of this planet (US included) is mostly inhabited by people who are either Jews, Christians or Muslims. Since 87% of Americans are Christians, 2% Jews and 0.6% Muslims, then Muslims aren't sizable in America.
Since your point was more or less "Muslims are treated better in America than in Europe" (and that might be true), I thought it would be reasonable to explain you that there was absolutely no point in comparing both issues, and brought the latinos counter-example.
No, if you still don't understand, that's not my problem anymore.

The connection between viruses on PCs vs the lack of viruses on Macs and why Muslims hate USA more then NZ.

Network popularity. The idea that something has a force of presence not in linear regards to its members put as a power function.

A network of ten members will have a hypothetical force of presence of 10^2
While a network of 100 members will have a presence of 100^2.

Viruses are written for the network with the largest presence. PCs have numbers of members orders of magnitude larger then Macs. The attaction to write viruses for these PCs is in turn even larger. Macs have such a small prescence that it does not stick out compared with the PC world. Also the isolation of Mac communities vs PCs. Infect a hub of PCs and they will in all likely hood be connected by servers with the same architecture and the same virsus flaws. Macs on the other hand will not have a server farm from the same manufacturer... they are far easier to quarantine... this is why the only virus made for Macs is on the Apple Messenger... the effective network prescence for that virus is the largest compared with isolated office networks.

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People know about the USA, it has a prescence that is far larger due to its large economic clout and large population. It took a concerted effort by people to get Denmark on the Madar (Muslim radar not to be confused with the Gaydar). Even after that effort by its own Imans inflamming as much sympathy for their imagined plights as possible the reaction was to burn Norwegian flags in confusion, and then after a short time to start blaming the USA and Britain for the cartoons and burn their flags.

Hatred is just like popularity, the bigger the presence the far more likely you will be one or the other.

"It is hard to smell the shit from ants when an elephant has farted."

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"It is hard to smell the shit from ants when an elephant has farted."

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Soo.. how was your weekend, Papewaio? Things are rather dull around here at the moment. Dial 1 for Iraq, 2 for Mohammed and 3 for anal intercourse. That's about it.
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