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Originally Posted by ZainDustin
It boils down to this. Whilst organisms are alive they absorb carbon. When they die, the isotope of said carbon start to decompose. There is a measurable rate at which carbon decays in this process. Therefore by observing the amount of decay we can determine when the organism died and how long ago it was.
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I seem to have remembered hearing some jokes passing between people at my school about 'Chuck Norris' and 'God'. I'm concerned this thread will bring up said jokes and I'm warning you right now...
...I'LL KILL YOU!!!
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Carbon dating is a hard subject to deny buddy.
I have explained carbon dating with our topic.
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Okay, carbon dating. This can easily be explained from what I said earlier. God didn't create a baby Earth. So, there must be some things he planted on the Earth that began with a certain age, like Adam.
No you didn't. Please refute carbon dating.Quote:
Okay, carbon dating. This can easily be explained from what I said earlier. God didn't create a baby Earth. So, there must be some things he planted on the Earth that began with a certain age, like Adam.
Whilst you are about it, pray tell me where it appears in the Bible that dinosaurs were here millions of years before humans? Never mind Adam.
BTW who did Cain marry? By that time (according to the Bible) there were 3 people on Earth. Him and his mum and dad.
I got it!
God created a wife for him!:idea2:
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You have not explained Carbon dating at all... the problem for you to explain is that there are many many examples of human remains which are MUCH older than 6500 years. As in, modern human beings, who when they were alive in whatever primative tribe or grouping they lived were essentially biologically identically to you and I.
i'm not going to refute carbon dating. I've already explained how it is related.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
the bible doesn't mention dinosaurs, as far as I know.
Cain either married one of his sisters, or God created him a wife. But I"m sure it was one of his sisters. If you would see, interfamily marriages weren't bad back then. And the bible hardly ever mentions women births, only the sons.
-ZainDustin
So incest is in Gods plan? :inquisitive: :no:
Well, if you're not going to refute it, we can take it that you cant?
I don't know about the incest thing.
God planted things on the Earth when he created it that were already dead and a fossil. Carbon Dating is probably true, to an extent. If he would have started the world as new, no trees would have been grown, there wouldn't be any Oxygen, and it just wouldn't have worked.
-ZainDustin
atheist. and no... not a religion... just not.
it's a belief position... (in that no, i can't prove the supernatural doesn't exist definitively, so i believe there is no god/s) but that isn't the same as being a religion.
It's either true or false. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Atheism is lack of religion. Why is that so hard to understand? (talking to everyone)
It is true, but it tells the age beyond the creation, where age was just programmed by God.
Looks like you lost the arguement then. :laugh4:
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Originally Posted by ZainDustin
except that God can do whatever he wants in your position, yeah? there are no limits... so it would have worked, because god wanted it to...
But you are missing the point... The bible says God created the first human 6500 years ago. There are MANY examples of human remains that are MUCH older than this date. God couldnt have put HUMANS on earth to get it all nicely ready for the first HUMANS to arive. Plus, the bible gives a detailed day by day account of when he created pretty much everthing, it was done over a week, no? So is the Bible wrong on this matter?
Explain yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
God can do anything. But, I believe he created a world already in motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mystic brew
I'd say it goes beyond a lack... to a positive disbelief.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
because in the first post you asked 'whats your religion?' and listed atheism as one of the options.
Then later you sayso i just thought i should make it clear that atheism isn't a religion.Quote:
Atheism is the same thing as Religion-less, which becomes a religion in itself
Why would He do that ? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
BTW iirc there are only male children of Adam and Eve mentioned in the Bible: how did they reproduce ? :dizzy2:
I notice I haven't stated my views yet: I'm agnostic: I do like to think there is a reason for all this, but I don't pretend to know it, there might be a Creating Force (or Creator), there might not be. I don't think that if there is a reason that humans are a more important part of the universe than say, dogs or amoeba. There might also be a middle stage between the Creator and humans: Gods, Angels, Demons, Spirits, whatever. I'm not saying it is likely, but always found the huge jump between God/Creator and man a bit strange considering the huge spectrum of existence between man and rock.
I think religion in moderate amounts can be a good thing. It gives people a moral compass and it can help people through tough times. I don't like fundamentalism, the denial of scientific theory based on some ancient book, or people telling me how (and when) i should have sex.
As for religion itself, I'm not a big fan. Basically, I think 'our' God (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is a sadistic bastard to be frank. While these religions like to blame everything bad on Satan or the weakness of man, it is God who allows these to exist. He cast out Satan from heaven (for disagreeing with him, and he did have a valid point...) but allows him to torture mankind, heck, according to the story of Job he even helps on occasion.
We were cast out from paradise for eating a friggin' apple. God, with all His wisdom about the nature of man (heck, He created us, He should know how we think) thought it would be a good idea to plant a forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden of Eden, baring delicious looking food, and then telling us not to eat it. Right, like that was ever going ro work...
What is the reason of so much suffering on earth ? Draught in Africa: what have all those Ethiopians ever done wrong ? Floods in New Orleans and Asia, earthquakes everywhere, tornados... This isn't always a nice place to live.
But really that's all just whining, I could accept all that, there is a lot of beauty in the world too. What really gets me hating religion is hell. Over half the population in the world will end up there, at least. Not only will all those infidels fry, also all the sinners go there, and there sure is a lot of sin in the 'faithful' world too. Remember that the meek shall inherit the earth (when the kingdom of Heaven arrives), God hates rich people. And the whole western world is rich on a relative scale. If you own a computer you're gonna fry :oops:
And then there's the end of times, when the antichrist comes and there will finally be peace on earth (and some freaky lamb-lion lovin'), God will come along again and bring us 40years of darkness and suffering. Oh yeah, God is love. If you're a masochist.
Sorry if I've offended anyone, I'm not a big fan of this 'God' character in the Bible.
I understand what you're saying. What kind of early human evidence are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by _Martyr_
If god is omnipotent, then by definition he could make everything in the bible true. Or he could make it all false. Which is it? You can't tell!
Therefore...pointless.
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Explain yourself.
How is this possible. What facts do you have to support this?Quote:
It is true, but it tells the age beyond the creation
No. You refute my hypothysis.
Where is this in the Bible?Quote:
God planted things on the Earth when he created it that were already dead and a fossil.
Have you actually considered the idea that you might actually wrong?
As I said. i am a 'recovering' Christian. I was wrong.
There are a huge amount of human remains that have been found from all around the world that have been dated as older than 6500 years, explain...
I could possibly be wrong. There's always that possibility. I haven't lost this discussion because we are still talking.
I believe I am right because I am a Christian and I'm talking to a bunch of Atheists and Agnostics. You really think I would become a Christian if I didn't know what I was talking about?
em... Im a Christian...
That's good news.
I am quite sure that you have a sincere belief system. You have been told these things. Indoctination. Brainwashing. Call it what you want. There is not a shred of evidence for a 'supreme being'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
*No. You are talking in a games forum.
Dont take this the wrong way but, were you born into a (I would say Fundamental) Christian family that hold the same beliefs as you? And also, how old are you?
The Universe is evidence of a Supreme Being. This was not chance, someone, or something had to have created it. Or atleast those gases that created the Big Bang.