"Racist" Humor

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Racist humor isn't funny. Ethnic humor can be, that mind of mencia show is pretty funny.

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Taffy asked, "What's the difference?" And many attempted and gave good examples and arguements.

Racist:
Q: When does a Blackman become a "N"?
A: When he leaves the room.

This, imo, is racist and inappropriate in todays world.

Ethnic:
Jewish boy to Father: Daddy, Daddy can I have $5 bucks for a guinea pig?
Father: Here's $20 bucks, go get yourself a nice Irish girl.

Crass, but not particularly racial (unless you're Italian and insulted by the difference in monitary worth or value given the girls .... though the boy just wanted a pet).

Racial jokes are meant to be demeaning, an effort to place one race as superior to another. Where as, ethnic jokes make jabs (mostly playful, but can be biting as well) at others ... even themselves (own race).

Making fun of anothers race is racist. period. It is not meant to be humorous, as much as it is meant to place one's own superiority above the others.

Remember not to use this thread as something to insert jokes like the mod requested. There's some good discussion going on. Please don't get it locked, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Remember not to use this thread as something to insert jokes like the mod requested. There's some good discussion going on. Please don't get it locked, thanks.

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Yes agreed. Even though you want to oppose the idea of the joke, please omit the jokes. Let us imagine ~:)

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Originally Posted by KafirChobee

Taffy asked, "What's the difference?" And many attempted and gave good examples and arguements.

Racist:
Q: When does a Blackman become a "N"?
A: When he leaves the room.

This, imo, is racist and inappropriate in todays world.

Ethnic:
Jewish boy to Father: Daddy, Daddy can I have $5 bucks for a guinea pig?
Father: Here's $20 bucks, go get yourself a nice Irish girl.

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What's funny is I would label those the other way around. The first one is just a comment on white people to me.

Just goes to show.

I thought a guinea was an Italian? Man, I got to brush up on my derogatory terminology.:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I thought a guinea was an Italian? Man, I got to brush up on my derogatory terminology.:laugh4:

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ginny

Mispelling of guinea, derogatory slang for Italian

"Go 'head, now I'll kill you. You guinea brat you."
- Carlo in The Godfather

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Unfortunately it not only funny but 9 times out of 10, the truth...

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How horrible. You must have extremely racist police in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

How horrible. You must have extremely racist police in the U.S.

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Probably but we might also have a high percentage of minorities committing crimes.

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Originally Posted by yesdachi

Probably but we might also have a high percentage of minorities committing crimes.

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That's due to economics, note genetics.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

That's due to economics, not genetics.

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Or race.:wink:

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Originally Posted by Goofball

That's due to economics, note genetics.

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Tell that to OJ and the large percentage of black professional athletes that are rich beyond any imagination but still can't seem to stay out of trouble with the law. I'm not saying its genetics it just strange how 10 % of the population can inflict the majority of crime in the United States. Are statistics racists? Is it the media? I don't know, all I know is blacks commit the most crime in the United States and that's just the way it is. Come visit me, I live outside of East St Louis and you can see how the "community" is using its government hand outs.

Umm... which part of that would be the 'humor' part?

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Tell that to OJ and the large percentage of black professional athletes that are rich beyond any imagination but still can't seem to stay out of trouble with the law. I'm not saying its genetics it just strange how 10 % of the population can inflict the majority of crime in the United States. Are statistics racists? Is it the media? I don't know, all I know is blacks commit the most crime in the United States and that's just the way it is. Come visit me, I live outside of East St Louis and you can see how the "community" is using its government hand outs.

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I want to make very sure that I understand you Dave, because we are entering a very sensitive area here. Are you saying that it is your belief that people of African descent are genetically more predisposed to criminal activity than white people?

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Originally Posted by Goofball

I want to make very sure that I understand you Dave, because we are entering a very sensitive area here. Are you saying that it is your belief that people of African descent are genetically more predisposed to criminal activity than white people?

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I believe he is implying the Black culture is more predisposed to criminal activity. Whether you agree thats its the culture our genetics, he states facts. One should also note though that black people are statistically poorer, and statistics say the poorer you are the more likely you are to commit a crime. But I'm not saying it all has to do with economic problems, if you notice most rappers do not have the best criminal record in the world, and most black people idolize them. So I say its more of a culture/economic problem.

Lots of white celebrities have criminal records :/

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Lots of white celebrities have criminal records :/

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Exactly.

Dave, I'll see your O.J., and raise you a Robert Blake.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

Exactly.

Dave, I'll see your O.J., and raise you a Robert Blake.

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And I'll raise you 1 Brian Williams and a Ricky Williams and throw in Michael Jackson even though he's not exactly human with all the surgery, much less a black man. No its not genetics but its the culture. Raise a white kid in the gangsta lifestyle and he'll act the same way. It just happens that black culture in the US glorifies crime. Is that a little clearer?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Lots of white celebrities have criminal records :/

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I'm not denying it, just trying to supply a reason for the statistics. There are many people with questionable backgrounds that are idolized, but hip-hop has brought that to a new level IMO.

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Originally posted by Devastatin Dave
No its not genetics but its the culture. Raise a white kid in the gangsta lifestyle and he'll act the same way. It just happens that black culture in the US glorifies crime. Is that a little clearer?

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Precisely, thank you DD. It has nothing to do with race, but culture, raise a child who glorifies crime and they'll grow up to be a criminal.

I don't think black culture glorifies crime. Rappers aren't the be all and end all of black culture. You're going to have to explain that one a bit furthur.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

And I'll raise you 1 Brian Williams and a Ricky Williams and throw in Michael Jackson even though he's not exactly human with all the surgery, much less a black man. No its not genetics but its the culture. Raise a white kid in the gangsta lifestyle and he'll act the same way. It just happens that black culture in the US glorifies crime. Is that a little clearer?

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Much clearer.

And it proves my point that the higher crime rate among African Americans is due to economics, not genetics. Hundreds of years of being first slaves, then second class citizens who were still abused, exploited, and held down by white people at almost every turn have led to a culture that does not have a lot of trust in the "rich old white guy" establishment and still believes to an extent that only by not playing by the rules can they get ahead.

Sorry, but it might take more than 20 or 30 years of not being held down because of skin color before the African American minority as a whole becomes more trusting and integrates fully into the system.

Taking another tack, and apropos of nothing whatsoever, it seems to me that Italian and Sicilian Americans are also responsible for a higher proportion of crime than their overall representation in the population would merit. And they too have cultivated an American subculture of not playing by the rules and taking what they want from life by whatever means necessary.

Why is it then, that we hear very little ire/frustration directed against them, compared to the same that (in threads like this, for example) is directed against African Americans?

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Originally Posted by Goofball

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Why is it then, that we hear very little ire/frustration directed against them, compared to the same that (in threads like this, for example) is directed against African Americans?

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Because statistically blacks commit the most crime in the US. When I'm in a dangerous area in town, I'm not looking over my shoulder for Tony Saprano, I'm looking for Tyrone who is statistically more likely to bach me over the head.
I'm just "keepin it real".
Sasaki, you would be very suprised at how much rap and other bad influences influence Blacks in the US. Go to any public school that the majority is black and survey the kids there what they want to be. I bet you all the gold "teef" in East St Louis that the majority either want to be a rapper or a professional basketball player and their dress, actions, and grades will reflect their desire. Sorry, its just the truth. Its a harsh stereotype but its to common to simply call it a racist statement. When successful blacks in the US is considered Uncle Tom's or kissing the Man's ass by their fellow black citizens, then the problem can't simply be explained away by the "400 years of oppression" crapola that is always brought up. I bet 30 years from now they are going to be blacks using Katrina as an excuse to their dependency on government handouts and blame whitey for their condition. It gets old. So that's the true humor in all of this; the fact that so much money in taxes are put into programs to benefit blacks, afirmative action that uses a quota system not based on the quality of the worker but the color of the workers skin, and all the while the myth of the Man holding the black man down is the greatest "racist" joke ever told by liberal poverty pimps that simply sue blacks as a voting block because they know that all they have to do is promise more "free" handouts. If it wasn't so nausiating, I would have a good gut laugh over it.:wall:

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Because statistically blacks commit the most crime in the US. When I'm in a dangerous area in town, I'm not looking over my shoulder for Tony Saprano, I'm looking for Tyrone who is statistically more likely to bach me over the head.
I'm just "keepin it real".
Sasaki, you would be very suprised at how much rap and other bad influences influence Blacks in the US. Go to any public school that the majority is black and survey the kids there what they want to be. I bet you all the gold "teef" in East St Louis that the majority either want to be a rapper or a professional basketball player and their dress, actions, and grades will reflect their desire.

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And I also bet you all of the pointy white hoods with eyeholes cut in them south of the Mason-Dixon Line that most of the white kids in that same school would want to be rappers or basketball players if they could too.

But what would that matter anyway? Is it illegal to be a rapper or a basketball player?

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Because statistically blacks commit the most crime in the US. When I'm in a dangerous area in town, I'm not looking over my shoulder for Tony Saprano, I'm looking for Tyrone who is statistically more likely to bach me over the head.
I'm just "keepin it real".
Sasaki, you would be very suprised at how much rap and other bad influences influence Blacks in the US. Go to any public school that the majority is black and survey the kids there what they want to be. I bet you all the gold "teef" in East St Louis that the majority either want to be a rapper or a professional basketball player and their dress, actions, and grades will reflect their desire. Sorry, its just the truth. Its a harsh stereotype but its to common to simply call it a racist statement.

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That's where you're wrong.

You've filled this thread with anecdotal statements about how blacks are responsible for so many societal ills in America but supported those statements with nothing more than your own pet beliefs. This post in particular uses "I bets" and "you' be surprised's" to support further generalized statements about blacks as a whole.

But the greatest clue about your extreme ignorance on this topic is the fact that you refer to the "myth" of blacks being held down.

If you can't acknowledge the fact that blacks in America suffered hugely in the past, and continue to suffer now (though to a lesser extent) from oppression based on skin color, then it appears you have severe blinders on.

Your posts in this thread have embodied just about every reason why skin color will continue to be such a divider in the U.S. for a long time to come.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Sasaki, you would be very suprised at how much rap and other bad influences influence Blacks in the US. Go to any public school that the majority is black...

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I did ~:handball:

Well, 1 out of 3. I didn't see what you are describing.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

That's where you're wrong.

You've filled this thread with anecdotal statements about how blacks are responsible for so many societal ills in America but supported those statements with nothing more than your own pet beliefs. This post in particular uses "I bets" and "you' be surprised's" to support further generalized statements about blacks as a whole.

But the greatest clue about your extreme ignorance on this topic is the fact that you refer to the "myth" of blacks being held down.

If you can't acknowledge the fact that blacks in America suffered hugely in the past, and continue to suffer now (though to a lesser extent) from oppression based on skin color, then it appears you have severe blinders on.

Your posts in this thread have embodied just about every reason why skin color will continue to be such a divider in the U.S. for a long time to come.

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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

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You're not getting it Dave. I am not arguing that blacks are not convicted of crime in the U.S. at a much higher rate than their proportional representation in the population. This is a reality I don't dispute.

Our differences of opinion are not in the "how much," but in the "why" blacks are being convicted of so much crime.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

You're not getting it Dave. I am not arguing that blacks are not convicted of crime in the U.S. at a much higher rate than their proportional representation in the population. This is a reality I don't dispute.

Our differences of opinion are not in the "how much," but in the "why" blacks are being convicted of so much crime.

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Ok, now I understand. Well, I'm sure you will disagree with this but i believe the largest factor is personal responsibility. I'm sure that does not jive with your opinion which is basically to blame everyone except the individual, that tends to be the mindset of your arguements. But I will concede that there has been many injustices done to blacks in the past, but I don't understand how a legal immagrant from India can come here and within a generation he's successful and his kids are in college while a large portion of blacks continue to use the victimhood from "whitey" as an excuse for their poverty, criminal acts, etc.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Ok, now I understand.

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No, it's plain from the rest of your post that you don't.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Well, I'm sure you will disagree with this but i believe the largest factor is personal responsibility. I'm sure that does not jive with your opinion which is basically to blame everyone except the individual, that tends to be the mindset of your arguements.

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Thanks for bringing Dorothy's empty-headed friend into the discussion, I wasn't sure if he was going to make it or not.

~;)

Contrary to the nonsensical viewpoint that you attempted to attribute to me, I believe that everybody is ultimately responsibly for their own decisions in life.

But having said that, there are sometimes circumstances in life that can "funnel" people into a downward spiral of bad decisions.

The problem is that hardcore lefties don't acknowledge the validity of the former, and hardcore righties don't acknowledge the existence of the latter.

Why don't we try to meet in the middle somewhere?

I am not saying the black kid who decides to sell crack is blameless. But I am also acknowledging that in many cases it may have seemed to that black kid like his choices were very limited. And the best way to lessen the chances of him making those bad decisions is to try to remove the circumstances that cause the funnel to come into being.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

But I will concede that there has been many injustices done to blacks in the past, but I don't understand how a legal immagrant from India can come here and within a generation he's successful and his kids are in college

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Because that immigrant from India was an immigrant, not an imported piece of property.

His/her ancestors didn't have to endure slavery, and oppression for four hundred years before they could open their own business.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

while a large portion of blacks continue to use the victimhood from "whitey" as an excuse for their poverty, criminal acts, etc.

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http://www.jointcenter.org/2004elect...rime+Brief.pdf

Hmmm. Average length of a white guy's jail sentence for a violent crime: a little over 6 and a half years. A black guy? Just under 8 and a half years. A white guy's sentence for a drug related crime? 5 years. A black guy? Over 8 and a half years. Overall average sentence length for a white guy: 3 years 9 months. A black guy? 7 years.

You're right Dave. There's no bias against African Americans in the system.

Whites oppressing blacks is a myth.




















P.S. It's "jibe," not "jive." Ebonics on the brain, Dave?

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