Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Something tells me that President Ahmadinejad is not going to be satisfied with a 2 state solution. Nor do I believe that a 2 state solution will satisfy the Palestinians or many on the American/European Left. We all pay lip service to it now, because before Palestine can take back all of their territory, they need a starting place, so the 1948 borders will have to do, for now. Frankly, I do not believe the Palestinians or the Left will be talking about a 2 state solution once they get it. The debate will evolve, which frankly is one of the reasons why Israel has dragged it's heels on the successful negotiation of a 2-state solution... they know better than anyone what comes next.
That being said, engaging in this sort of rhetoric helps nobody. Everyone knows there's at least one Trident task force patrolling around the Persian gulf, ready to reduce Iran back to sticks and stones if they get any bright ideas about a pre-emptive strike.
Frankly, I think Israel needs to take a very pragmatic approach to dealing with Iran. Ignore them. When Hizbollah agents are caught causing mayhem in Haifa or Tel Aviv, deal with them swiftly and thoroughly (and hopefully quietly). But they're not going to win any sort of 'war of words'. It only reinforces the stereotypes against Israel among Europe and the American Left, as witnessed by the discussion in this thread.
Very well said sir. You have brought up a neat point about the Trident task force. This is why I can never be really all that worked up about Iranian nukes. Having survived the Cold War, where Nato faced off with the Soviet Union, and each side could have blown the other to Barzoom on Mars, I just can't buy all the Bush/Cheney rhetoric about the "imminent threat" of a nuclear equipped Iran. (Unless of course I was in Iraq) Perhaps we should send them a copy of our MAD policies of the past, and explain how membership in the nuclear club works.
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Nice thoughts on the appropriate response of Isreal to Iran. Unfortunately for the United States, we now have, thanks to the fabulous policies of my government, placed our soldiers in the line of fire of any potential Iranian nuclear armed missles. Too bad the White House isn't close enough as well. I don't think that Bush and his little roadshow would talk so tough then. It's ok if a few thousand middle class types go up in smoke though, as long as we get to retaliate from our nice little safe desk in Washington DC.
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Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
Well it seem Iran is attempting a flank attack on th Nuclear issue, by sending a letter.
NPR has some quotes from the letter
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5392883
link to the complete letter.
http://www.npr.org/documents/2006/ma...jad_letter.pdf
Have fun reading the letter. It is rather interesting nevertheless
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Redleg
His tone is a little disrespectful IMO, especially in the next to the last paragraph. The one that ends “Do you want to join them”.
Although it is the first official correspondence in many years I think it is just an insincere ploy used to show the “world” that they are trying to communicate with the war mongering US.
Pat Buchanan commented the other day that the US was like a heavy weight boxer and Iran was a wimpy 9th grader calling the US out to fight. Basically saying we should ignore them, they were not a threat at all. It was an interesting analogy that certainly holds some reason but if we ignore the angry little 9th grader now, he could come back as a 10th grader with a gun or in this case with a nuke that could be given to terrorists or used against us or our allies.
The biggest difference I see between the current Nuke powers and Iran is the fact that the current Nuke powers have a higher value of life than Iran seems to. IMO that is the scariest part, they don’t seem to care who they hurt as long as they hurt their enemies. Granted, they have not yet committed a mass attack but I think it would be a huge mistake to allow them, with the current attitude they show, to go on down the road to the Nuke club.
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
I can't help but wonder if he doesn't have some writers from CNN on his staff. All in all, an interesting document. I do think that he is sincere about the Palestinian issue, and makes a good point about the rights of a nation to perform research and development. He's living in a dreamworld if he thinks that the Bush administration is going to back down, and allow them to proceed. Interesting rhetorical arguement, couldn't one say?
The strong do what they can, while the weak suffer what they must.
Meanwhile....back at the ranch. :dancinglock:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
Tell me Tribesman, old buddy old pal, how you think Israel hates their own people.
Well Divinus , it s your government that said it .
It appears that the Israeli government hates some people to such an extent that it discriminates against them because of their religeon .
It abuses their human rights because they are Jewish .
Work that one out .:juggle2:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Tell me Tribesman, old buddy old pal, how you think Israel hates their own people.
Well Divinus , it s your government that said it .
They most certainly did not say anything close to that. Again you are interpreting things the way you would like and stating them as fact.:inquisitive:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
They most certainly did not say anything close to that. Again you are interpreting things the way you would like and stating them as fact.
Really Joker ?
So if a State denies people its basic rights on the basis of their religeon what is it ?
If you dicriminate against someone on any basis it means you have a level of hatred against the issue that you are using to discriminate .
If you discriminate against someone on the basis of their skin colour you have a hatred based on skin colour , if you discriminate on the basis of religeon then you have hatred based on religeon .
So if you discriminate against people on the basis of thier Jewish religeon you have hatred based on Jewish religeon .
So there you go , Israel hates Jews .
No two ways about it , and it is an issue that the State has had since its creation , its quite a hot topic over there you know .
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
They most certainly did not say anything close to that. Again you are interpreting things the way you would like and stating them as fact.
Really Joker ?
So if a State denies people its basic rights on the basis of their religeon what is it ?
If you dicriminate against someone on any basis it means you have a level of hatred against the issue that you are using to discriminate .
If you discriminate against someone on the basis of their skin colour you have a hatred based on skin colour , if you discriminate on the basis of religeon then you have hatred based on religeon .
So if you discriminate against people on the basis of thier Jewish religeon you have hatred based on Jewish religeon .
So there you go , Israel hates Jews .
No two ways about it , and it is an issue that the State has had since its creation , its quite a hot topic over there you know .
If aliens came down tommorow and destroyed the earth, we would all be dead. What is your point?
Once again you have confused your interpretations and wishes of events, actions, and quotes, with their actual occurences.
If those things you listed were actually going on as a government policy in Isreal, perhaps you would have a point. But I just wanted to get it on the record that the government has never said anything close to "Isreal hates Jews" or even implied they do. You simply attributed a quote to the government that never happened based off of your personal interpretations of and possible objection to policies of the Isreali government.
You have a habit of saying "your own government/laws said xxx" to give your arguments credence when in reality it turns out to be wishful thinking and ...I'll be nice and call it "generous" interpretation on your part.
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
If those things you listed were actually going on as a government policy in Isreal, perhaps you would have a point.
Are you really that clueless Joker ?
But I just wanted to get it on the record that the government has never said anything close to "Isreal hates Jews"
Well joker you had better check the record .
Tell you what , just to be helpfull since you appear to be completely lost .
Answer this , what is a Jew ?
You will find quite a lengthy thread on this forum recently with that very title .:book:
try reading and perhaps you will understand , or failing that try learning a few basics about the history of the State of Israel , its politics and its laws . Especially its Laws that discriminate on the basis of religeon .
Maybe then you may actually know just a little about what you are trying to talk about .:coffeenews:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Tell me Tribesman, old buddy old pal, how you think Israel hates their own people.
Well Divinus , it s your government that said it .
It appears that the Israeli government hates some people to such an extent that it discriminates against them because of their religeon .
It abuses their human rights because they are Jewish .
Work that one out .:juggle2:
Is someone reading certain far right pro-zionist websites again? :laugh4:
http://www.hineni.org/rcolumn_view.a...242&category=1
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Originally Posted by Right Wing site
Today, the leftists dominate Israel; today, it is the Israeli government that expels Jewish settlers from their homes, from the land of their fathers. Today, Arabs can incite to riot, attack, and kill, and the Israeli government turns the other cheek - and it’s all done in the name of the “Peace Process” - in the vain hope that by giving up our land and shutting our eyes to their acts of ignom, we will appease their ferocious appetite.
While we have undergone many crises in the past, and the Israeli government was far from perfect, there is one thing that the courageous Israeli leadership always knew - and that was that terrorist bullies could not be indulged, but had to be dealt with a strong arm and an uncompromising hand. But that simple wisdom evaporated with Oslo, and since then, everything has gone down hill.
Hmm. interesting spin attempt nevertheless............ NOT...:laugh4:
Edit: All nations have laws that condone some sort of discrimination, especially under the guise of insuring the general welfare of the nation, or the citizens.
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
i vote that we blow both of them to kingdom come....i´m getting tired of this "we´re so good, they´re so evil" crap
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Redleg
I searched "Israel hating Jews" into google and got the links of some very racist sites (teh hack them!). So I intellifyed my search as "Israel against Jews" and got the opposite :laugh4:.
http://www.nkusa.org/
Oh google, how I love you so. ~:flirt:
But really, can we please stop the "hate _____"?
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I searched "Israel hating Jews" into google and got the links of some very racist sites (teh hack them!). So I intellifyed my search as "Israel against Jews" and got the opposite :laugh4:.
http://www.nkusa.org/
Oh google, how I love you so. ~:flirt:
But really, can we please stop the "hate _____"?
Kinda interesting isn't. :no: It seems that several groups would like to believe that the Israel hates jews. One for attempting to work with the PA (a little grant it), and one for not working enough with the PA.
I find it amusing in a very sad way. :no:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
I just read the first page of this discussion, and realized that there were 2 more pages, so I'm just going to bleep in and say my piece about something for a bit. Please excuse me if this is off the current subject, but biblically, Israel was prophecized to never be wiped out, no matter how hard you tried.
So Iran bombing Israel wouldn't work anyway. They are God's chosen people.
Interesting, I know.
Go on with your current discussion, excuse me.
-ZainDustin
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
No one can wipe off Iran.
totally wrong Prince. Isreail Can't,but USA or Russia could..
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
Is someone reading certain far right pro-zionist websites again?
Is that the site by the US government ? nope .
Is that site about the Israeli government discriminating in law against someones religeon ? nope .
Though I suppose some settlers do think that the right to claim any land they want is their religeon .
But when they write .....today, it is the Israeli government that expels Jewish settlers from their homes, from the land of their fathers.
it does raise the question , what is the Israeli government doing evicting people in Brooklyn ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Then again some of these zionist groups claim that the Israeli politicians are no longer Jewish , work that one out :stupido:
So interesting spin Red ....not ~:wave:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Is someone reading certain far right pro-zionist websites again?
Is that the site by the US government ? nope .
Is that site about the Israeli government discriminating in law against someones religeon ? nope .
Though I suppose some settlers do think that the right to claim any land they want is their religeon .
But when they write .....today, it is the Israeli government that expels Jewish settlers from their homes, from the land of their fathers.
it does raise the question , what is the Israeli government doing evicting people in Brooklyn ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Then again some of these zionist groups claim that the Israeli politicians are no longer Jewish , work that one out :stupido:
So interesting spin Red ....not ~:wave:
Ah so someone doesn't like his spin being answered with spin. Interesting... LOL
It also seems that you missed the other statement at the end of the message. That is what happens when you only focus on attempting to spin and misrepresent.
Its rather interesting playing this little game. I expect next the typical response from you, never an honest discourse - are you sure your not a politician? Or has the time you spent in the IRA effected your ability to have a civil conservation once again.. :wall:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
Or has the time you spent in the IRA effected your ability to have a civil conservation once again..
Red , I never expected you to make such a pathetic post .:no:
Re: "Iran can also be wiped off the map" -Israel
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Or has the time you spent in the IRA effected your ability to have a civil conservation once again..
Red , I never expected you to make such a pathetic post .:no:
Matches most of your attempts direct at others lately. You play the cryptic game very well, so you should know that IRA stands for many things besides the one you assumed I was speaking of.
IRA could of meant this organization?
http://www.reading.org/
Or I could of been talking about this - something that very well could cloud one's mind.
http://www.ira.com/
Oh well enough games for now.....
Edit: oh well never mind - we both know what game you are playing and that you don't like it played back on you. What a pathic attempt you played here with your comments - it deserved exactly the return that it got.
