C'mon, every serious black metal fan knows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoreBag
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C'mon, every serious black metal fan knows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoreBag
Why? Why let someone who took Someone's Life, or in this Case,babies's lives, live in jail till she dies? why should we have to pay for her to live,eh??
Because the court didn't think that they could convict her on murder. Not enough proof of intent to kill. Would rather she had been tried on murder and been found innocent because there was too much doubt about her intentions? The courts (rightly IMO) charged with 8 counts of manslaughter to ensure she got convicted and sent to jail. And 15 years isn't a light sentence. It's fairly stiff. She needs mental help, not help into her grave. 5 or so years in jail is the perfect place for her to get help. Look at this objectively for a second. Yes she allowed 8 of her kids to die. But she's not evil or malicious. She's pathetic and sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
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Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
Because killing someone is bad. We try to avoid it whenever possible.
I agree. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
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Originally Posted by lars573
I got a kick out of that. first off, 5 years in jail like you said in Bull,and we know it. I get to that in a minute. Second,15 years is NOT a Stiff Sentace. Try 50 Years in Prison, or 40,like I see with some people,now THAT is a stiff Sentance,not some Peny 15 years. 15 years could be consder as a Long time. oh ok dude,15 years,let her get out when she 50,and have her contiue her Mental Help? Meh,No.and Yes,she needs to be help into her grave for doing this,not Help. There are Certain Time for Mental Help in Jail,and Sometimes there are not..
Now, BHC, what I've been asking all along is what, exactly, is your measurement--your general calculation--on your preferred sentence of the crime? What is your rationale behind it, explicitly?
I'm in the Backroom. What serious black metal fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
I enjoy Immortal.
I prefer Marduk.Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
Thou shalt not kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
oh yeah and love your neighbour as yourself and the teaching that what ever is done for the least of people is actually done for jesus.
That is why.
now, this woman was negligent unnesisaraly those children could have had good lives as adoptees, im all for monitering her, and persuading her to just get herself steralised, her crime is vile and should be treated seriously
Because two wrongs don't make a right. The state killing her is just as wrong as her causing her kids to die. It would be vengence not justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3078216.stm
I thought I'd post this as it seemed somewhat similar to the case being discussed-a man in Scotland has been given what seems like a strangely lenient sentence for raping a baby, and everyone is up in arms.
I'm playing Devil's advocate here, but you could argue that, seeing as this is a baby and won't be able to remember the rape, it's not actually that bad. Certainly not as life-damaging as raping an older child or an adult might be.
Then, you can also argue that murder isn't all that bad, since they can't remember it afterwards. Or that if you cause someone irrepairable brain damage, it's okay, since the victim will lack the required brain functions to feel bad about it. It's absurd.
Plus while I'm not a psychologist, but I'd be surprised to hear from one that this won't effect the baby's psychological development.
I accept the point of the judge that there's little chance of him reoffending (as I can't personally evaluate it), but even so, his crime was vile, he should have known it (apparently he did) and he went through with it anyway. That alone warrants a real punishment. 5 years for raping a baby is just a slap on the wrist.
That's the first time I've ever seen someone say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
Babies have died from internal injuries from being raped though, they were probably younger, and well, smaller, but it can do some serious physical damage. I'll better leave out some more graphic descriptions I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
I think over here they just get the standard pedo rape charges, which aren't much. How much did he get anyway ? The article doesn't seem to mention that...
A similar story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
The stupid thing about that sentence was that it was reduced by about 30% simply because he pleaded guilty, despite the fact that there was unquestionable proof of what he did - he photographed his crime - meaning that there was no way he could have been found not guilty.Quote:
A man who raped a 12-week-old baby has had his minimum jail term changed from six to eight years by appeal judges.
The five-year term originally imposed on Alan Webster's accomplice, Tanya French, will remain, the court said.
Webster, 40, was sentenced to life in January but was eligible to apply for parole after six years. French, 19, was jailed for five years.
Attorney General Lord Goldsmith QC said it was possible Webster, from Hertfordshire, would never be released.
He was saving the courts precious time and money.
I don't like Immortal that much, too low budget for mine ears. I like the over-produced, super-polished Cradle of Filth.
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Originally Posted by Kralizec
All experiences up to two years are subject to infancy amnesia. Stimuli can be conditioned to be aversive, but they have to be associated to basal unconditioned aversive stimuli to do that. It depends how the rape actually harmed the baby. If it wasn't actually specifically physically aversive, then the behavior may not be any different than other behavior from the perspective of the baby, as it has no means to recognize sexuality at all (though I'm not 100% sure of that - considered that the child was more than a year old, it could already have formed a primitive concept of sexuality). If it was physically harmed, then it's very likely that it will affect the development of the child (but not necessarily its sexual development).
I hold the exact opposite position. Cradel of filth should be left in the filth. They are crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
BHC, you're a teen, aren't you? So a fifteen year sentence is about as long as your life. Imagine living your whole life in jail, you get no freedom whatsoever. For your whole life up till now. You'll probably get raped as well, which adds on to the fear factor of prison. Then, put yourself in that woman's shoes, if the sentence goes out like you want: fifty years. So, she'll be a really old women getting raped. You know, I think just the life that's being sentenced now is enough to teach the lesson. By the time she's out, she won't be able to make any more babies to kill, so that's no problem. She'll also be too old and unfit to kill anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88
We're talking about black metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
We don't have the death penalty. But I agree with the life sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHCWarman88