Star Wars vs. Star Trek

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Gah! is the Org-standard last option of a poll. As in, "Gah! None of these poll options accurately reflect my opinion!"

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Talking about Gah! makes me long for those days when Krust is around....:wall:

Tootee have you changed your name?

The best part of the new ones is probably Ewan McGregor's acting - some of the most consistantly solid performances of the whole bunch, in my opinion, and worthy of Sir Alec Guinness.

Ep II was the lowpoint of the new ones, and while III wasn't bad, it is fairly open to criticism (the best being from Maddox on thebestpageintheuniverse.com). Ep I wasn't as bad as is made out to be despite Jar Jar - the Queen didn't get too much screen time and it wasn't like the annoying stuff in II & III. Plus Anankin is just a little kid and not the idiot from II & III.

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Originally Posted by ajaxfetish

For now I think I'll stick to Firefly for my space fix.

Tragically short-lived, but otherwise fantastic.

Ajax

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Fun series, wish they would bring it back. Did you catch the movie? i liked it, it wasent the best, but i liked it.:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by econ21

Actually, I liked pretty much the whole of the last episode - Anakin and Amidala were mind-numbingly inane, but that aside the dark mood of the fall of the Republic was well done and in some way vindicated the upbeat tone of most of the original three movies.

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In Epizode III for me greatest disappointing ting is Lord Grivius. He should be the main negative character but he is the most funniest. In cinema kids coudn't stop from laughing when he was in scene. Thanks God, Jar Jar Binx hadn't any role.

Transformation from Republic into Empire seems to be borrowed from Roman history.

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Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia

In Epizode III for me greatest disappointing ting is Lord Grivius. He should be the main negative character but he is the most funniest. In cinema kids coudn't stop from laughing when he was in scene. Thanks God, Jar Jar Binx hadn't any role.

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I did not give Grievious much thought. I think Lucas tends to put in some characters for the kids. Some of these work even for adults (Yoda), others don't (Jar-Jar, Ewoks, etc). It's like taking your kid to a Disney or Pixar movie - some of it is not for you. Maybe Grievious did not sell well with the kids in your cinema but my son thought he was the most interesting character. I doubt kids could root for the other "baddies" in III - a sulky child killer and an ugly-wuggly arch manipulator.

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Transformation from Republic into Empire seems to be borrowed from Roman history.

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Inspired by the myth, I guess, but maybe that's why it worked, for me at least. There's a "garden of Eden" type quality about a republic (democracy) falling into tyranny that gives it a certain poignancy. It's more interesting to me than the "freedom fighters" win kind of story of IV and VI.

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

Star Trek's about a bunch of hippies. "Oh, let's go around not shooting stuff, or something. Anyway, our weapons suck."

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~:joker: :hippie:
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very true

i vote TREK

B.

Okay, I'm REALLY going to settle this once and for all:

KHAAAAAAAAAN!!!

The single greatest, most side-splittingly hilarious case of overacting in acting history. Throw it into any serious moment and people will piss themselves laughing. Particularly when they are baked, but that goes without saying with Stoned Star Trek.

Trek.

I'm no trekkie, but Lucas shot himself in the foot with the last 3 movies. Several times.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

The best part of the new ones is probably Ewan McGregor's acting - some of the most consistantly solid performances of the whole bunch, in my opinion, and worthy of Sir Alec Guinness.

Ep II was the lowpoint of the new ones, and while III wasn't bad, it is fairly open to criticism (the best being from Maddox on thebestpageintheuniverse.com). Ep I wasn't as bad as is made out to be despite Jar Jar - the Queen didn't get too much screen time and it wasn't like the annoying stuff in II & III. Plus Anankin is just a little kid and not the idiot from II & III.

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Hmm... I have 2 versions of Star Wars: Episode 1 Racer...

It's a great game really... only problem is you can't destroy the other racers....

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Originally Posted by econ21

I did not give Grievious much thought. I think Lucas tends to put in some characters for the kids. Some of these work even for adults (Yoda), others don't (Jar-Jar, Ewoks, etc). It's like taking your kid to a Disney or Pixar movie - some of it is not for you. Maybe Grievious did not sell well with the kids in your cinema but my son thought he was the most interesting character. I doubt kids could root for the other "baddies" in III - a sulky child killer and an ugly-wuggly arch manipulator.

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Grievious is total mismatch. Like Jar-Jar, Ewoks and similar "kidy" characters. Even Epizode VI showed small degradation, but it was suppotably. Much of my friends are core SW fans and they are disappointed with Lord Grievious and EIII. I only watch the old ones.

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Originally Posted by econ21

Inspired by the myth, I guess, but maybe that's why it worked, for me at least. There's a "garden of Eden" type quality about a republic (democracy) falling into tyranny that gives it a certain poignancy. It's more interesting to me than the "freedom fighters" win kind of story of IV and VI.

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I agree. Transformation from republic into empire (like Roman dominate - maybe I wrong spelled) is well done.

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Originally Posted by Zorba

Okay, I'm REALLY going to settle this once and for all:

KHAAAAAAAAAN!!!

The single greatest, most side-splittingly hilarious case of overacting in acting history. Throw it into any serious moment and people will piss themselves laughing. Particularly when they are baked, but that goes without saying with Stoned Star Trek.

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Star Trek II was good but overrated IMO. The best Star Trek movie of all times is VI: The Undiscovered Country :yes:

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Originally Posted by Lemur

Gah! is the Org-standard last option of a poll. As in, "Gah! None of these poll options accurately reflect my opinion!"

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Actually, it's

GAH! CUT OFF HEADS! MAKE HEAD SOUP! GAH!

Vanya tradition.


Anyway, SW > ST.

This is at least the third thread of this exact topic in the Frontroom in my own recent memory (ie: less than a year).

Not that it's a bad topic, but just I hate how I make huge long posts in the other thread and then they are not there in the new threads about the same thing that spring up. Perhaps the mods should sticky this thread in the Frontroom since it's a recurring topic.

In short, Star Trek is better if you want meat & potatoes; real substance to make you think. Star Wars is better if you want some TV dinners and exciting action (hand to hand fighting action is something that Trek never did well).

Overall, I strongly prefer Star Trek because of it's deeper issues that make you think.

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Originally Posted by yesdachi

Fun series, wish they would bring it back. Did you catch the movie? i liked it, it wasent the best, but i liked it.:2thumbsup:

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"I'm a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar."

Ajax

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Star Trek II was good but overrated IMO. The best Star Trek movie of all times is VI: The Undiscovered Country :yes:

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Actually, I hate all of the movies. But that one line is hilarious.

Wait- that was from number two?

...Oh, yeah- it's called the Wrath of Khan! Forgot about that. All I remembered was T. J. Hooker finally flipping his lid and hitting the outer limits of bad acting.