You actually consider this abortion? Ha. I see now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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You actually consider this abortion? Ha. I see now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
You can't expect that from all teenagers. You can/should expect it from adults over 25 (the age at which studies have shown the decision making process fully forms), but definitly not teenagers. Too much hormones, too much immaturity. All you can do is educate them as best you can and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Education promotes responsibility. Real education, thinly veiled finger waving telling them not to do it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
[QUOTE=Crazed RabbitNow, even getting suitible contraceptives before the act is not necessary. One needs not prepare, just quickly stop by the drugstore in the morning. And we are told it may prevent the union of sperm and egg. Yet, how could that not have already happened by the morning?
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It takes 72 hours (on average) for the sperm to get to the place where it can meet the egg. The middle of the falopean tubes. If conception happens lower than that the zygote will simply be flushed out, and never get a chance to attach to the uterine wall.
It is one thing to educate, and another to devise as many ways as possible to remove any consequences for one's actions.
Crazed Rabbit
Wait, did you just sew up that person that accidentally got cut? Undo the stitches now! They must live w/ the consequences!
Nobody claimed that it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
But you did not answer the previous question - why would it be anybody's business if a grown-up woman is using this pill (which is not an abortion pill - if you claim otherwise I would like to see some facts backing up your claim)?
What I find especially interesting is that it is the same people who demonize government interference in the case of safety belts or helmets snd who now actually want government interference when only personal choices are affected and not the safety of people.
I actually have no problem with allowing this pill over the counter for adults. There are several valid reasons for it to be available. However my concern will be the same as for achocal and tobacco, being available over the counter like this it will not be to hard for those under 18 to get the pill without the consent of their parents.
Now the 17 years old I am not to concerned about, but the younger teenagers I am. The law as written is probably the best the government can do, it will be up to the Pharamists to actually obey the law, and I will have to wait to read about how well the government enforces this new law.
Point taken. However, I do not view this as something that affects only one person.Quote:
What I find especially interesting is that it is the same people who demonize government interference in the case of safety belts or helmets snd who now actually want government interference when only personal choices are affected and not the safety of people.
The FDA:Quote:
(which is not an abortion pill - if you claim otherwise I would like to see some facts backing up your claim)
Destroying the fertilized egg.Quote:
3. How does Plan B work?
Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation). It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work.
Crazed Rabbit
This does not constitute an abortion - at least not according to medical definitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I assume you also reject the IUD as ameans of contraception?
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Yes, for those who define life as the result of fertilization, the IUD would also be an unacceptable form.
You state correctly that the "Plan B" medication constitute an abortion using the accepted medical definition.
You raise a good point about government interference. I did not call for the government to mandate anything in my posts, but yes, the parties calling for pro-life laws are often being inconsistent here. An apt counterpoint.
I appreciate the tone of your disagreement -- you convey your points well and inoffensively.
Interestingly enough, if it affects more than one person, it will permanently link another person's life to the first person, as a punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Or to put it simple: A child is born to punish the parents. ~;p
Anyone got some good statistics on how often the implantation fails naturally? IIRC it's quite a large number.
Hooray for condescending generalizations! But alas, you must not have read the thread either- you can dispute much of the time it stops pregnancy via contraception or by preventing a fertilized embryo from implanting.... However, you cannot debate that it does prevent implantation of fertilized embryos as part of its intended effects. But I guess it's easier to make personal attacks. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
You also may want to go back and sit thru another sex-ed class. Sperm live for up to 72hrs in the female body- but the vast majority would be dead by that time and it certainly doesnt take that long for fertilization to occur- that can happen in as little as 15 minutes.
15 minutes. That would have to the most motile/modile sperm in existance. And hardly ever happen. Statistically that would be the extreme low end of the bell curve. A few hours is the average, and more likely. That's just for the sperm to reach the egg. It takes time for the embryo to drift down and try and attach to the uterus. Which doesn't always happen. Thousands of children die when they are zygotes. If you believe life begins at conception. I believe that life begins when you cease to be a parasite in your mothers womb.