Or maybe he was Budha, or the Egyptian Ormus.....
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Or maybe he was Budha, or the Egyptian Ormus.....
Well to get a good perspective on if Jesus had been black before the civil rights movement in the South. The Green Mile is a good read...or watch.
Are you suggesting that man was Jesus, because thats the only way those two sentances make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
Yeah. I was suggesting that the Huge Black Guy on the Green Mile was probably Jesus.
Wasn't he mentally retarded ?
Well, his mom was from the neighborhood but his dad was from haven so he was probably an interracial baby. ~D
I think Jesus is black. I also think He's Asian, Latino and whatever else people who believe in Him choose to see him as. As others have mentioned, and I think this is one of the few things Tachi & I will ever agree on, the whole concept of race, especially based on skin color or current residence is terribly flawed.
Just out of curiosity, and I mean no disrespect, it's a legitimate question...
Why is the term 'colored' offensive (this part I can understand), while 'people of color' isn't:dizzy2: Why aren't Asians, using the whole silly 'color' thing, they're yellow, people of color (which I guess means all the brown, black and red people versus all the white and apparently yellow ones?)? :dizzy2: Why aren't Asians added up in minority achievment quotas? :dizzy2:
Can somebody explain to me the logic behind this whole PC 'politics of race' business? Isn't race a concept who's time in the civilized world has come and gone, much as the whole idea that crop failures are caused by witches?
Silly Don.
You can't do away with races, because a few of the victimhood mongers cling to the idea to further their cause.
Also, Asians don't get the 'special minority' status because they do better than white people, on average, in school and the like.
Crazed RAbbit
Why is the term 'colored' offensive
It is offensive because it is an insult to the English language , it should be "coloured" you damn colonial .:2thumbsup:
Good one. Here's another PC question for everyone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
In America, it's racist to call people Japanese/Chinese/Vietnamese people Oriental. They apparently get pretty upset about it and insist on being called 'Asian'. In the UK, Asian refers to people from the Indian subcontinent (Indian/Pakastani/Bangladesh, et. al).
What is the polite term for what an American would call an Asian in the UK (when their national origin is unkown)?
Why don't Indians and Pakastanis freak out about this over here?
LOL:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Did you know Jesus was a jew?
"To be, or not to be: that is the question:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Gloucester
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,"
Its referred to as one of Hamlets Soliloquies not Shakespeares even though the writer would be the obvious authour not the character. It is a rather stirring piece when read and understood in the full and can be quite inspiring. Regardless of the fact that Hamlet was a character of ficition the truth behind his words was what was important.
Plato wrote about Socrates ideas. Yet it is more likely that although Socrates existed a lot of the ideas attributed to him are Platos. Plato modified or invented them and then used his mentor as the mouthpiece.
You have quoted Papewaio, but Papewaio is a fictional character and just a mouthpiece for his authour. What has merit? The ideas of Papewaio or the particular person that places the words through that character?
Ideas of worth have merit regardless of the existence of the character that is attributed in pronoucing them. That their existence isn't important means that their race pales into insignificance.
We say Asian too, and everyone suffers the confusion silently. Could always say "South Asian" or "East Asian", but who could honestly be arsed? Two words!? Bog off!Quote:
What is the polite term for what an American would call an Asian in the UK (when their national origin is unkown)?
I found it strange the first time to hear Indians called Asians. It took a while to figure out that since they were east of Asia Minor they were considered Asians.
I hear the term Indian, Chinese, Indonesian, Japanese as well as broader areas (mind you Chinese is broader then European in sheer numbers if not divesity) such as South East Asian (Phillipines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore Malays), Far East for Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. On the other side is finer tuning such as Hongkongnese, Singaporean Chinese, Taiwanese, Mainlander, Shanghai... Indonesia then breaks down into islands Balinese vs Sumatran etc
I think the only problem I have with this logic is the notion that Papewaio's ideas have merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
~:joker:
We also agree on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I dont get it- what's the crime in acknowledging that Jesus was an ethnic Jew? Sure, much of what he said transcends that- but that's still no reason to disregard who He was as a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Julius Caesar was Italian... it doesnt really matter in terms of what he did- but that doesnt mean we should forget that he was. :dizzy2:
It is my interpretation of the posts here that they are saying, basically, that Jesus the symbol long superceded Jesus the individual -- if he ever exists, as is always in at least small doubt as most historical characters do. And that the presentation of the idea will serve better without the need to identify whether "he" is of "us" or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
About the side discussion. I think the term "Asian" is used in general language nowadays. For USA, at least. That and I find just about every possible Asian insult to be not at all offensive personally, which means I don't really care if someone finds me, erm, Oriental.
I guess "Asian" as in general understanding really limits to the more Eastern ones; rather unfair to the Middle Easterns and the Sub-continent people, if I might say so myself, to be excluded from their continent in Western understanding. :sweatdrop:
Jesus is of "us"? Who is us? Im of primarily German descent- Im not trying to claim He was a German. I think that to suggest that Jesus was Korean or any other ethnicity than what he clearly was is patently ridiculous. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
For a non-believer to say that ethnicity is irrelevant to the message is almost understandable- but for a Christian it's pretty fundamental as Jesus was descended from the line of David and the Messiah who fullfilled Old Testament prophecies...
Is calling westerners "Occidental" offensive?
No, its not "Accidental".....
@Pape
It's an interesting philosophical point, but I would contend that the importance of words does change according to their context. Thus if we take your example, it does not make sense to speculate what was going through Hamlet's mind when he said those words because we know that Hamlet is merely a character in a play. The meaningful speculation is about what Shakespeare is saying about a human being in Hamlet's position. If the words are attributed incorrectly to a real character, then the response to those words will be different - it may be speculate why they have been attributed to that person, why and by whom. If the words are direct and correct quotes, then it makes sense to consider what the person saying them meant and to tie the words in with what we know about the actions of that person.
Of course, from a Christian perspective, Jesus is far more than the accumulation of his teachings, but even from a secular perspective it makes a difference whether the New Testament teachings are the ideas of one man, a distillation of the wisdom of the time attributed to one man or a mixture of the two.
How dare you consider calling me 'occidental.' That is offensive to me in the highest degree. I demand to be called 'Welsh American' or 'of mixed racial descent.' Nothing less is acceptable. Also, as few people I know of claim to be Welsh American, I should get minority status, and all schools and workplaces should be required to accept a percentage of Welsh Americans as employees or students. That'll put an end to this benighted racism that is inflicted upon me.
Ajax
Doesn't make a difference what "colour" Jesus was, all that matters is what HE did for all of us. :2thumbsup:
@ Ajax,
Gwna Cymraeg Americanwyr chychwïor ag dafad cystal?
:laugh4:
Persecuting the Welsh isn't racism, it's English heritage!
Jesus looked exactly like Jim Cavezial
Budda is sometimes blue
Its interestin the way there are no pictures or iconography in Judaeism and Islam. The Greco-Roman devotion to iconography influenced the fledgling Christian religion and now people care what colour Jesus was. lunacy
At my language school, we use the word "Asian" to mean people who share some significant amount of Chinese culture. This is useful when trying to understand commonality in native language (especially pronunciation) and social behavior (e.g. politeness, mores, taboos). Interesting when you consider that the word "Asia" derives from a region of Turkey.
Maybe we should use "Sinocultures" or something.
To settle this once and for all , Jesus is very dark brown with short straight black hair .
Just like Saddam Hussein. Anyone else see the resemblance?