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More like Aragon was removed in favor of Portugal. So there will still be the 3-way war on the Iberian peninsula, just as in the original MTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellesthyan
All things being equal, however, I'd really like to see Aragon in the game as well. All that has more to do with the faction limit, however, which for some reason is much lower this time around. (I believe the faction limit in Medieval 2 is 21, whereas the faction limit in MTW is 30.)
I'd also like to have seen Aragon included. It wouldn't exactly hurt, even if they were a non playable faction that the player could mod in later. Better than nothing.
It was, initially, a much more important faction than Portugal, who I feel have been added due to the "new world" aspects, that come into play later.
Except that Portugal didn't colonise North America.
Yes, but they paved the way because of Henry's school and their ships.
come on the aztecs! can't wait to see jaguar warriors pouncing on slow moving heavy platted knights!
rrrrooarrr!!! :2thumbsup:
The Danes all the way. Followed closely by the English (for the longbows) and the HRE
And that they still colonized brazil. plus, they had a few famous explorers. Like Vasco de Gama, even though he salied to the real india (and not the india columbus discovered)Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishArmenian
Egypt of course :2thumbsup: , I am an Egyptian...!
Regards/Ahmose
Considering Portugal will be in game and that i expect it to be somewhat similar to Spain unitwise, and since Spain was one of my Favorites in MTW... i have high hopes there. However, my absolute favorite faction to play in MTW were the Turks with their wonderful unit rooster.
I also always prefered sea empires than land heavy ones, like HRE.. i always avoided central Europe... and i understand there were some nice troops there to be found...
Yes, Pedro Alvares Cabral discovered Brasil, and Magalhães (Magellan) was portuguese, although working for the Spanish when doing his circumnavigation. Before those there were plenty of others that went south along the African Coast, paving the way to Vasco da Gama.Quote:
Originally Posted by A. Smith
Sadly, No Eire. I think rite now it is split between the Scotti and the Rus.
I think the HRE are the best.They have heavy units.You can easily smash france and then invade england and you could conquer the iberian peninsula and the head east and vest to finish all
The "best" faction in everyones opinion is going to be different. It all depends on how you play, where the starting location is (how many enemies are they bordering, do they have rich provinces), and what units that faction has. The HRE, for example probably has among the best units (I'm going by MTW1 here), but in my opinion has a horrible starting position being surrounded by many other countries. It is not exactly rich to start out with either. So as you can see, everyone is going to have a different opinion on who is the "best."
I voted for the Timurids (i was also the only one :2thumbsup: ) although i heard that theyre not going to be playable. :wall: Please let them be in, please!
Alif :dizzy2:
They'll be in, but they won't be playable (along with the Aztecs, Golden Horde, and the Papacy).Quote:
Originally Posted by AL ZABIDI
I voted for Byzantium but I like France and HRE too.
The mongols will rule the world :jawdrop:
:charge: TURKS! Because they have good fighters, the sipahis and of course the Janissaries. Lets not forget they were the first to bring down walls with cannons! And so could invade Constantinople. To push your borders against Europe is so fun! And not to mention, I am Turkish :laugh4: .
They did not invade Constantinople because of cannons.
Somebody just left the door open
They did? Well maybe, but as far as I know cannons were first used against walls at that battle. But I can't say if I'm right cuz 50% of what they teach about the Ottomans here in Turkey are biased :wall:. Unless you go to university... I believe it is similar in other countries too.Quote:
They did not invade Constantinople because of cannons.
Somebody just left the door open
Not like the Ottomans defeated everyone, but like they got defeated at this battle because of bad weather conditions, and here they won a glorious victory. All victories are glorious, and all defeats are because of bad weather conditions :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: what nonsene
I might be a taking it a bit too far, but thats how it is until 8th grade. I hate how they make people nationalists with this kind of stuff.:wall: Nationalism sucks. (did I change the topic a bit here? :oops: ) :laugh4:
so Denizar what's your opinion on the Moors and how do you think they will be? unit-wise.
i think that they will have light tough (and effective against armour attributes) warriors that wont be too good on the cav side.
If Turks is what you are referring to by saying moors, I can tell you what they should have, not I think they will have.
Next to this biased education I was talking about, I made detailed research on the Ottoman Empire, focusing on its land and military system. I have two essays (one almost complete), one about the army and one about the timar system, which is the land system of the empire. Actually, I can post a thread about this system on the history discussion part, when I do so I can PM you if you want.
The timar system, simply is:
The government puts units of land for rent - given to specific people (peasants) that are supposed to work the land and pay tax in return. These peasants are not slaves, just people who get to rent the land in exchange of paying tax to the government.
The government assigns these lands to specific men called timariots who get to collect these taxes for themselves, but in return support the military with sipahis which are Ottoman cavalrymen, armed with bow, spear, sword just like the Rohirrim guys in Lord of the Rings. The timariots have to summon one sipahi for each 3000 akce (akce is the ottoman currency) income from the land they hold.
In the best times of the Empire, the military was able to summon 100,000 cavalrymen, and this number almost reached 200,000 at one time. So the Turks, are supposed to have a lot of light cavalry.
On the other hand there were soldiers who got paid salaries, these soldiers were called kapikulu soldiers (janissaries were one of these). Usually they would be devshirmes meaning that they were Christians taken at young age, converted to Islam and thought in the best academies the arts of governing and war. So they were the "elite" part of the army. In answer to your question I can say that they should have access to a massive cavalry army, along with strong infantry.
I would love to post my extended essay on the Ottoman military here, however it is in Turkish. I shall translate it when I have time. I'm sure you will enjoy it.
The essay on the timar (land) system and the sipahi's (cavalrymen) is in English :laugh4: and will be completed in several days.
umm useful info den however i was referring to the moors as in the moors, they are a faction in their own right
now, as you can see on the right of this picture, you have the Turks which is the green background and crescent, then after you got the egyptians with the 3 little crescents on a yellow background and the Moors are the faction with the crescent facing upwards on the orange background
hmm, thats right, but I don't know about them.
But it seems like the Turks do have cavalry in the first period. "Lacking in heavy armour and early period infantry". This also is true because the sipahi's - the cavalrymen were supposed to arm themselves, and really you could not expect them to find heavy armour.
The mounted archers are not only archers though, they are equipped generally with spears and swords as well. So I believe that the Ottoman cavalry should have a balanced ranged/melee attack rather than a good ranged and an ineffective melee stat. Just imagine the Rohirrim in the Lord of the Rings. Their archer horsemen were not only archers, all of the cavalry both used bows and spears and swords etc. Its the same in the Ottoman Empire. So I don't think it is correct to have a mounted archer troop seperate from a light cavalry unit.
By the way you can find my essay on the timar system in the monastery part of the forum.
Denmark!:2thumbsup: . most because i am danish.
kl dude
hello it looks like the byzantines will not be one of the first 5 to start the game. Can some tell me this a, friend asked this we can tell the movie vedios from game play what he asked was the guys hitting them on the gorund with battleaxes putting those longswords thru them and pulling them out or stabing in back is that game play or the movie thanks
Had to be England (they have the Billmen, and the longbow people), but also the byzantine look very strong.
France because I'm French and they have the best western cavalery.:2thumbsup: