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Yes, but Chinese or far Eastern martial arts would not even have been heard of. Nobody really went to the far east till the middle ages. I agree that some form of martial arts would have been used, but not martial arts from the orient!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
No, they said they were influenced by martial arts from the east. We know nothing, or very little, of the techniques used in Europe in the period depicted, and considering the fact that most examples of martial arts today can be found in the east it makes sense to use elements from that region to create a new convincing fighting style in 300; the trailer also quite clearly shows examples of this, with fluid moves allowing spartan troops to dodge and hack their way through persian lines. I think it's a non-issue, really.
As is clear from the above, I can now view the trailer. Some bits look great, others a bit dodgy. Sometimes the lighting looks completely off and it looks too obviously like the movie was shot infront of blue/green screens, but in other scenes the distinctive visual style looks beautiful.
I think you veer too far towards taking the epic historically. I am certainly interested anytime a potential link can be made by archaeological discoveries, but Homer didn't just spice it up a bit, as you say. :grin: It's a great story, but you can't pick a single thing out of the Iliad and say that it actually happened. As for the story more broadly, you can try to tie it to a specific destruction layer at Troy, but there's not much more you can do, and even that doesn't provide much detail at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthius Julius
It's not just chance that Achilles' name means "grief to his people", and the first lines of the poem start (thus):
Sing, O goddess, the anger of "grief to his people", that brought
countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send
hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs
and vultures... :laugh4:
One of my friends was able to get into the 1st private screening. SAys you won't be dissapointed. Says hoplite warfare will be done correctly, the whole 9 yards. *He is a historian and teacher, so he knows what he is talking about*
Oh I don't so. Did u see the Vedio Journal #5???? That stunt coordiographer is a martial arts expert and he Will Put them in. For example, In that video u see the spartans raising their shields above their heads to stab with the spears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
Yeah so actually this movie looks to be extremely entertaining. Definitely not a "period piece."
Just remember. It's a comic book movie, not a history lesson...which, I think, will be quite obvious to anybody with half a brain who watches it, even the pre-teens.
true, true... the director even says it "Its a comic book adaptation" and Frank Miller said he wanted to make a Graphic Novel of Thermopoly not a Historical account of it.
But still, it bugs me that they are putting South Asian martial arts in this movie.
Not so sure about that. Kids these days....:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Discoskull
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Originally Posted by Atreidis
Actually, yes. That would be a lot more believable than going to the hall up high(or whatever the Kalevalan equivalent of heaven was) in a flying boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fondor_Yards
See, it wouldn't degrade the character. Adaptation happens all the time, it's just stupid to judge anything prematurely.
Thats what I mean. There probably was once some sort of record of the conquest of Troy out there somewhere, but I belive that Homers version of Troy (The Illiad) is probably based on a TRUE invasion of Troy by the Mycenaean Greeks, before the Dark Age of Greece. If I am correct Homers version was written in the Dark Ages (not sure what year, but I think it was in the 700'sBC, during the "Dark Age" of Greece)Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
The evidence:
- There is evidence from the site of Troy that the 4th or 5th version of the city was invaded and burnt.
- There is also evidence of a war, but it would not have been about something as silly as a queen, Troy and the surrounding area had lots of bronze and other valuable trade resources.
- Although there is no evidence of this I think that the woodern horse was either a horse shaped battering ram or one with a horse shaped cover.
OR: An earthquake could have caused the walls to fall in (Troy is near a fault line), and if the earthquake had helped the Greeks so much they would leave a statue of the god of earthquakes who was Poseidon. And we all know what form Poseidon assumed in statues...
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And slightly off topic, this is my 80th post. HORRAY!! ~:cheers:
New HD trailer is up: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/300/hd
Two words: armoured rhino...
Anyways, this will either be the most spectacular "ancient battle"-movie ever or unintentionally hilarious. I think it's pretty safe to assume that it won't be mediocre though.
Somehow I missed that rhino in Herodotos' account. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
You cannot imagine my distress upon seeing this trailer.
I JUST designed this thing not even a month ago, a cataphract rhino, for a fantasy-esque story I'm doing.
Here I thought I had something original...
https://img433.imageshack.us/img433/...ctrhinopl2.jpg
@#$% you Frank Miller!
May your genius mind burn in heck...
Oh, and, despite the fact this movie will be the definition of ahistorical, I think I will enjoy it - it's sort of like the super-exagerated-opera version of Thermopolai (sp?).
It will be very pretty, in any event.
Hmmm, I would have much rather have had historical accuracy than amazing special effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Discoskull
Great minds think alike, eh?
I thought it was damned cool. And hell, if elephants and camels, then why not rhinos?
now that is just too much.... It WAY OFF. :no:
Oh, I'm sure the movie will begin with a disclaimer ( :no: )...and again I say it will be ridiculously obvious to anybody watching that it is in no way historically accurate - it has monsters, war-rhinos, and more than a couple of the Persians have claws.
If any average person with no knowledge of history whatsoever sees this movie and thinks it was all real, then they shouldn't be allowed to breed.
Sure, it would be incredibly awesome if somebody made an accurate epic movie version of Thermopolai (I love period movies, even more than over-the-top action-operatic special-effects extravaganzas), but we aren't exactly talking about the Battle of Zama, are we? It's darn near impossible to make a completely accurate version of this event, from what I've heard and read...and this movie is from a graphic novel.
It will at least be very accurate to the graphic novel, thanks to the success of Sin City. And the artistry of the visuals themselves looks spectacular - it's art.
It is what it is. Just think of it as historical fantasy, if that lessens the pain.
If they were making a movie about the Crusades, and it had monsters, war-rhinos, and ninjas floating around, you can be assured I'd be singing an entirely different tune...maybe...
Myself, I can't wait to sit down with a big bag of popcorn and enjoy the hell out of it. And this is all I will say.
edit: Though I was rather suprised to see a war-rhino :laugh4:
What I'd love hanging over my fireplace: A large scale, 17th century style, oil painting of the battle of Thermopylae, with cataphract rhinos charging, ninjas climbing up the face of the cliff, Superman hovering above and shooting at Persians with lazar eyes, pirates down below in the water, flaming pigs being lit and sent into the mix, scantily-clad amazon horsearchers firing from the edge, and Wolverine in the middle slashing through alongside the Persian immortals.
How could you *not* be the coolest person in the world if you had that hanging in your living room?!
Now THAT'S a bit much...I'll start working on it right away. The only thing I'll add will be war-anacondas. With gold chain leashes. Held by 3-breasted women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
three month ago i bought the 300 comic book, and it is imho a great piece of art. But i can't find a single Rhino in the whole book :inquisitive:Quote:
Two words: armoured rhino...
Artistic freedom.
Again.
How could you have a 17th Century portrait with Superman in it. He was 1900s and (if I am correct) in the 1600s they had no idea what a "ninja" was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
Maybe TA means a 17th century Japanese painting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthius Julius
That explains the ninjas, but what about Superman? He wasn't around in Japan in the 1600s and how could he be shooting at the Persians with laser eyes? That is just too far fetched for the 1600s. Correction: way too far fetched, even for Japan or China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trithemius
Have you, or anyone, read Age of Bronze, the comic by Eric Shanower? I have been enjoying it to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
He flew really fast around the earth a lot and went back in time, ala one of those silly movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthius Julius
High testosterone action and lots of screaming. ~D
No Screeching Women? Or battledruids who can shapeshift into dragons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
What about Berserkers and Cannon Elephants?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusader
Dissapointed. :no: