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Hmmm, if you been doing something Call
Watch the News :inquisitive:
then you would see Hamas and the Palestinians are doing more Violence towards Isreail then Isreail towards them. Now if you don't see that, that's fine. Just ask the 100+ Isereails (I think) that die in the Summer. Their famileies anyhow.
The news? They go for the sensational stuff, suicide bombers and rocket attacks. Army shelling houses and such is dull.Quote:
Hmmm, if you been doing something Call
Watch the News
then you would see Hamas and the Palestinians are doing more Violence towards Isreail then Isreail towards them. Now if you don't see that, that's fine. Just ask the 100+ Isereails (I think) that die in the Summer. Their famileies anyhow.
Amnesty International reports
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Some 190 Palestinians, including around 50 children, were killed by the Israeli army in the Occupied Territories.
A report on the subjectQuote:
Palestinian armed groups killed 41 Israeli civilians, including six children, in suicide bombings, shootings and mortar attacks in Israel and the Occupied Territories.
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B'Tselem
The conclusion is that both sides kill, maim and commit horrible deeds to one another. Neither side is guilty, neither side is innocent, both sides suffer. No let us try to help fix this problem.
Hmmmmmmm.....someone hasn't been looking have they .Quote:
Hmmm, if you been doing something Call
Watch the News
then you would see Hamas and the Palestinians are doing more Violence towards Isreail then Isreail towards them. Now if you don't see that, that's fine. Just ask the 100+ Isereails (I think) that die in the Summer. Their famileies anyhow.
Unless of course you see that 1000s more acts of violence than the Palestinians can miraculously become less acts of violence than the Palestinians ...... but I think that requires magic glasses to be able to see it like that .
Though to be fair perhaps Warman is including the war on the Northern front to reach his 100+ number , but that makes it even worse since it would also add many more thousand acts of violence in excess of the opposing sides many acts .
I don't think even the Israeli government has the gall to claim that the Palestinians commit more vilence on Israelis than Israelis do on Palestinians - the prize belongs to you alone. Where do you get your body counts from?Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
I suspect the numbers are roughly the same (but i really don't know) - think no figure can really be belived, because statisitcs can be manipulated by anyone to prove anything, im sure Israel "supporters" could find links to show that more israeli's die then palestinians, but palestinian supporters could find just as many showing the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
- the amount of deaths can never justify retaliation, so in effect i think both sides are in the wrong. - i would claim because israel has full control over its state, and also is the more advanced of the two countries, then it should set the example and stop retaliating (or retaliate properly - killing civilians just antagonises everything, if they hit viable targets then fine) however this is naturally difficult - israely public opinion is very much pro violence (and so is the palestinian).
The ratio of dead Palestinians to dead Israelis is around ten to one or worse, thankyouverymuch. While the Israeli authorities notoriously have no compunctions about lying through their teeth (about, say, their nukes) or flatly clamming up and refusing to comment at all (*cough*Khiam*cough*) when it suits them, they don't even try to deny that. Attempting it would be fighting windmills anyway as well as quite pointless, given how many NGOs and international organizations do the counting besides the Palestinians.
When the one side uses homebuilt suicide bombs and the other full-blown military heavy weaponry in inhabited urban areas, the results could not really be much different. Especially given the IDF's rather cavalier attitude about collateral damage.
I broke my own first rule of posting in a Middle East thread: Don’t lose your temper. Goofball, I apologize for that.
What were their options? I predicted a Hamas victory long ago, mainly due to the enormous effort they put into their campaigning. Other factors include the destruction of the PA infrastructure by the IDF and the corruption and ineptitude of the Fatah (Under Fatah, if you needed a decent municipal job, it always helped to have an uncle, cousin, or other relative, somewhere in the system). And even though they won, the Hamas’ popular vote wasn’t overwhelming in the legislative election earlier this year. Still, does that make all Palestinians fair game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
A sixteen year-old Palestinian kid was shot in the head and killed today by the IDF in the West Bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
Also today, Gaza militants fired a Qassam rocket at Israel’s western desert.
Guess which incident will be considered a violation of the November 26th cease fire.
Damn , I could have sworn that the IDF had standing orders not to shoot stone throwersQuote:
A sixteen year-old Palestinian kid was shot in the head and killed today by the IDF in the West Bank.
The silly kid obviously didn't realise that the unequvocal order in effect since '98 to not shoot stone throwers doesn't really mean that there is an uneqivocal order not to shoot stone throwers .:shrug:
Yes, some people don't read :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
"A sixteen year-old Palestinian kid was shot in the head and killed today by the IDF in the West Bank.
Also today, Gaza militants fired a Qassam rocket at Israel’s western desert.
Guess which incident will be considered a violation of the November 26th cease fire."
Ever Though of both of them? :no:
And which one US media is likely to publish ? As I often like to recount, I have been told by an American Jew who'd only recently been to Israel that the US media is more or less categorically pro-Israel, and tends to forget some serious attitude issues the Israelis tend to have.