And Quebec, whose people are mostly French decended. Is over twice the size of Texas. With less than half the population.
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And Quebec, whose people are mostly French decended. Is over twice the size of Texas. With less than half the population.
It's fine to kill traitorous rebels with French leanings. I thought everybody understood that. Let them eat Freedom Fries!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
You're the guy making people sign contracts every day, right? Don't tell me there isn't a little clause in there somewhere about breaking their kneecaps if they don't return the movies ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I dont rent them I sell them. But if you dont buy i may have to make you an offer you cant refuse. :skull:Quote:
You're the guy making people sign contracts every day, right? Don't tell me there isn't a little clause in there somewhere about breaking their kneecaps if they don't return the movies ...
Quebec is bigger then Texas and France put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
But as big as Canada is, we'll make room for Vermont to join the family any time she wants. Alaska too. :canada:
A serious note. If Vermont did secede, would it be viable as an independent state? If not, would it be feasible for it to join the Canadian federation? How would the new subjects of Her Britannic Majesty take to their new found freedoms and liberties?
Would any other of our thirteen former colonies realise the error of their ways and plead to return to the fold?
In the UK, if one of the constituent countries decided to leave by a popular vote then it would be allowed to. Would the US allow the same if the vote was overwhelmingly in favour of leaving the Union?
Before we get too serious I'd just like to say that New Hampshire is way more red (Republican) than Vermont and because of that way more main-stream and normal. That's why Vermont maple syrup (and Ben and Jerries') is so much better than every other type of syrup and ice cream that comes from somewhere else. Wackiness actually makes things taste better. The wakiness of Vermont maple trees makes the maple syrup produced in Vermont up to 30% tastier. Who can argue with such facts? Either bow to our collective will to govern in a more privacy/individual respecting manner and not invade every country that looks at us funny or prepare for us to secede and bring the most valuable liquid substance on this planet with us.
I don't really think Vermonter's would be all that thrilled about joining Canada. If Vermont seceded the people would probably want to lead their own independent state. But that's just my feel on the topic, I haven't exactly questioned my fellow Vermonters very intensly about that, especially since I won't be back in Vermont until the 15th of July.
Wasn't that King George's position? ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Well "viable" is subjective and we would get lots of views on that, but let me throw some facts out see what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
1. in 2004 Vermont recieved 4,632,923,000. in federal spending. So thats 4.5 billion less that would go into thier economy.
2. in 2004 average earnings per job was $34,963.00, the rest of the country's avarage was $44,503.00. So vermont would need to be competitive to maintain the workforce, how do you raise the income of the workers in your country? Mandated wage increases?
3. total sales(retail, manufacturing etc) total approx 23 million by 2002 estimates (I think I am reading the chart correctly). How much new tax would be needed to support a military? Would it be derived on a sales tax?
Given the numbers and the prospect of maintaining the same standard of living they enjoyed in the U.S., Id say it would be feasible, would canada make up that 4.5 billion though?Quote:
If not, would it be feasible for it to join the Canadian federation?
Since we are on a serious note (per your request) what new freedoms and liberties do you mean?Quote:
How would the new subjects of Her Britannic Majesty take to their new found freedoms and liberties?
I dont think so, its far to expensive to return to the fold, and "pleading" isnt something most like to do.Quote:
Would any other of our thirteen former colonies realise the error of their ways and plead to return to the fold?
In my opinion no, but loosing vermont isnt going to be a major drain on the U.S. anyway.Quote:
Would the US allow the same if the vote was overwhelmingly in favour of leaving the Union?
Source of data appears in link on my post on first page of the thread
Probably not. IF GDP per capita is the same as median income. Then by simple conversion of Vermonts median incomeand comparing it to the provincial GDP per capita's. If Vermont did join our confederation they'd have the second highest GDP per capita. A straight conversion comes out as $51,350, which would be second to Alberta's $66,644. Meaing they pay money to Ottawa. But that's only for the federal equalization. I've no data on how much money the federal government contributes to each provinces healthcare plan and education.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
Having more federal senators that they don't have to elect (going by the Newfoundland example). Tossing all those republican institutions (like their constitution and book of laws) and becoming subject-citizens of her majesty the Queen. That whole upper house of their legislature. Being legally obligated to set up a socialized health care system (which is a provncially run insurance plan that covers everyting save elective surgery, eye, and dental care), and support it with some kind of VAT sales tax. It's rate being deterined by what their economy could support. And having to pay a 6% VAT called GST on 90% of comsumer goods and services.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
:dizzy2: I'll wait on you for the punch line....Quote:
Originally Posted by lars573
I disagree completely. Utterly. No basis in truth, whatsoever. If anything, maple trees here in New Hampshire are the product of wholesome, traditional forestry services. Many foresters even carry a bible on them. As a result, the maple trees grow up more well adjusted and more prepared to perform the duties society requires of them, namely producing sap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin
In Vermont, you go back and forth between ignoring your trees, what with your high-times parties with your buddies to trying to soothe your own guilt by spoiling them rotten, giving them the latest new fangled fertilizer. Your trees have no sense of responsibility and grow up to be rotten producers, if they ever produce at all. You have no work ethic and therefore you have no work ethic to pass on to your trees.
We in New Hampshire believe in doing things the way they've always been done. The time honored tradition of the nuclear forestry program, dating back to the golden age of the 1950s. Our trees know what's expected of them from an early age, and they are brought up knowing if they don't do it, there's no safety net. We give them wholesome environments and we even make certain that James Dobson comes out to read to them at least twice a year.
The punch line, those weren't jokes. :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
And I forgot about the whole having to provide all official documents in both official languages thing.
Sorry to dive in like a Martian but briefly what the general idea of Vermont residents are about this secession? Is it a mere one shared by a few or significantly general ?
Why Texas should be independent.
-Oil
-Nukes
-Gas
-Uranium
-Coastline
-Self sufficent
-Abundant land
-Were better off by ourselves
The US is on the brink of collapse, LEN.
I give it five more years. Ten max. All I'm hoping for anymore is a relatively peaceful transition into it's successor states.
Texas will reign supremee
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Will you conquer Mexico for me then? :2thumbsup:
I was serious with my question :book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I suppose you'll have to wait until Uesugi Kenshin got back to Vermont, as he is most likely to get first-hand observations about it. My guess? Just a popular fad or another way to blow off steam for being ruled by an idiot for seven Terrible Years of Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Here in Nevada, Jesusland, I don't think most people here even know where Vermont is. :beam:
Edit: 2500...? *shock, internet suicide pending*
Isnt it going badly then for Texas? I mean its the other way around today no? Soon Strike will only be speaking Spanish :laugh4:Quote:
Will you conquer Mexico for me then?
Who says speaking Spanish, having a hot Latino girlfriend, and conquering Mexico are mutually exclusive? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I say, San Antonio will soon be the capital of the new Latin (America) Empire. Viva la Texas!
Just becuase you're brown doesnt mean you cant be a Texan. We dont need to conquer Mexico ethier we have all the best of Mexico right here. Were like a big Belgium with cowboy hats and oil
Los Angeles already has that title.Quote:
Latin (America) Empire
Hey Im no racist. My point is soon there will be more legal citizens of Mexico living in Texas than legal americans living there. Then they will annex it back to Mexico :laugh4:Quote:
Just becuase you're brown doesnt mean you cant be a Texan.
Just like Kosovo
lol have you ever been here? The mexicans dont want to go back (except the very rich) Trust me Texas mexicans and mexican mexicans are very very differentQuote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Who said anything about going back? :dizzy2:Quote:
The mexicans dont want to go back
And if Texas can leave then so can we
NewYork
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New York's gross state product in 2005 was $963.5 billion, ranking third in size behind the larger states of California and Texas.[7] If New York were an independent nation, it would rank as the 16th largest economy in the world behind South Korea. Its 2005 per capita personal income was $40,072, an increase of 4.2% from 2004, placing it fifth in the nation behind Maryland, and eighth in the world behind Ireland. New York's agricultural outputs are dairy products, cattle and other livestock, vegetables, nursery stock, and apples. Its industrial outputs are printing and publishing, scientific instruments, electric equipment, machinery, chemical products, and tourism.
New York exports a wide variety of goods such as foodstuffs, commodities, minerals, manufactured goods, cut diamonds, and automobile parts. New York's five largest export markets in 2004 were Canada ($30.2 billion), United Kingdom ($3.3 billion), Japan ($2.6 billion), Israel ($2.4 billion), and Switzerland ($1.8 billion). New York's largest imports are oil, gold, aluminum, natural gas, electricity, rough diamonds, and lumber.
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New York City is the leading center of banking, finance and communication in the United States and is the location of the New York Stock Exchange, the largest stock exchange in the world by dollar volume. Many of the world's largest corporations are based in the city.
The state also has a large manufacturing sector that includes printing and the production of garments, furs, railroad equipment and bus line vehicles. Many of these industries are concentrated in upstate regions. Albany and the Hudson Valley are major centers of nanotechnology and microchip manufacturing, while the Rochester area is important in photographic equipment and imaging.
New York is a major agricultural producer, ranking among the top five states for agricultural products including dairy, apples, cherries, cabbage, potatoes, onions, maple syrup and many others. The state is the largest producer of cabbage in the U.S. The state has about a quarter of its land in farms and produced US$3.4 billion in agricultural products in 2001. The south shore of Lake Ontario provides the right mix of soils and microclimate for many apple, cherry, plum, pear and peach orchards. Apples are also grown in the Hudson Valley and near Lake Champlain. The south shore of Lake Erie and the southern Finger Lakes hillsides have many vineyards. New York is the nation's third-largest grape-producing state, behind California, and second largest wine producer by volume. In 2004, New York's wine and grape industry brought US$6 billion into the state economy. The state has 30,000 acres (120 km²) of vineyards, 212 wineries, and produced 200 million bottles of wine in 2004. A moderately sized saltwater commercial fishery is located along the Atlantic side of Long Island. The principal catches by value are clams, lobsters, squid, and flounder.
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New York boasts the most extensive and one of the oldest transportation infrastructures in the country.
We sure would have a capitol :beam: Or would we keep it in that dump called Albany. Never could figure how it got there.Quote:
New York City is home to the most complex and extensive transportation network in the United States, with more than 12,000 iconic yellow cabs,[8] 120,000 daily bicyclists,[9] a massive subway system, bus and railroad systems, immense airports, landmark bridges and tunnels, ferry service and even an aerial commuter tramway. About one in every three users of mass transit in the United States and two-thirds of the nation's rail riders live in New York and its suburbs.
For those of you who think NY is all city :beam:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Mtn_Bridge.jpg
We supply welfare for the rest of the nation LOL :wall:Quote:
The state has a strong imbalance of payments with the federal government. New York state receives 82 cents in services for every $1 it sends in taxes to the federal government in Washington.[11] The state ranks near the bottom, in 42nd place, in federal spending per tax dollar.
New York
Any other rebels about?
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As of 2006, Texas, for the first time, has more Fortune 500 company headquarters (56) than any other state (California has 55; ironically, it was due to the move of Fluor Corp. from California to Texas). This has been attributed to both the growth in population in Texas and the rise of oil prices in 2005, which resulted in the growth in revenues of many Texas oil drilling and processing companies.
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Texas's growth is often attributed to the availability of jobs, the low cost of housing (housing values in the Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio areas, while generally rising, have not risen at the astronomical rates of other cities such as San Francisco), the lack of a personal state income tax, low taxation and limited regulation of business, a geographic location in the center of the country, limited government (the Texas Legislature meets only once every two years), favorable climate in many areas of the state, and vast, plentiful supplies of oil and natural gas. The known petroleum deposits of Texas are about 8 billion barrels, which makes up approximately one-third of the known U. S. supply. Texas has 4.6 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves.[42] There are currently 33 billionaires residing in Texas today. Dallas has 11 billionaires, the most of any city in Texas.
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In 2006, Texas had a gross state product of $1.0856 trillion[40], the second highest in the U.S. after California, after recently surpassing New York state.[41] Gross state product per capita as of 2005 was $42,975. Texas leads the nation in number of beef, which usually exceed 16 million head. Cotton is the leading crop and the state's second-most-valuable farm product. Texas also leads in national production of grain sorghum, watermelons, cabbages, and spinach. Wheat, corn, and other grains are also important.
We winQuote:
Texas is second only to California, with almost 11 million civilian workers giving it the second largest workforce of any state in the United States. The lack of personal income tax as well as the largely undervalued real estate throughout Texas has led to large growth in population. Since the 2003 legislature the Governor's office has made economic development a top priority. The state has two major economic centers: Dallas and Houston. Houston stands at the center of the petrochemical and biomedical research trades while Dallas functions as the center of the aerospace/defense manufacturing and information technology labor market in Texas. Other major cities include San Antonio, Austin, Corpus Christi, Lubbock, Amarillo, Abilene, College Station, Beaumont, Tyler, Odessa and Midland. Other important cities include Killeen (home to Fort Hood, the largest military post in the U.S.) and the cities of Brownsville, El Paso, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Laredo, and McAllen (these have particular significance due to their location on the border with Mexico, making them important trade points).
I said we can leave also. But just because your bigger dont make you better:laugh4: New Yorkers are a lot more savy.Quote:
We win
Do NOT let the accent and the "ya'lls" fool you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Personally, I've never encountered a state with a more independent identity and culture than Texas. Heck, the place even has 5 different climate zones and college dorms with their own zip codes.
Enjoyed the laser show on the cliff at Fiesta Texas too -- fun stuff.
I don't know if I'd want to live in a 'country' that arrests and charges people for looking at police dogs:
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs....62/1002/NEWS01Quote:
Animal cruelty case yields 'doggone' dismissal
June 6, 2007
By Peter Hirschfeld Times Argus Staff
CHELSEA – A woman facing jail time for "staring" at a police dog had charges against her dropped Monday after an Orange County prosecutor viewed videotape of the alleged crime.
Jayna Hutchinson, now of Lebanon, N.H., was scheduled for a jury trial this week on a misdemeanor charge of cruelty to animals.
A Vermont State Police sergeant said Hutchinson was intoxicated and stared at his police dog in a "taunting/harassing manner" last July while officers were in the process of investigating a reported melee outside a West Fairlee establishment.
Or maybe that's just me.
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