Dutch_guy, where are you? Please post to confirm that you are not a hiding killer, keeping out of discussion to avoid been noticed.
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Dutch_guy, where are you? Please post to confirm that you are not a hiding killer, keeping out of discussion to avoid been noticed.
Coincidence: I'm off to playing on my lack of internet laptop for an hour, and then sleep. I'll be back at around 7 GMT.
I think our assassin would be either very pro-active or very quiet. That means either Andres or Dutch_guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes
What you've got hiding in that balloon of yours? :balloon2:
Unvote: Andres
Vote: Dutch_guy
Louis VI: 1 ( Andres)
Andres: 1 (omanes)
Dutch_guy: 2 (GH, Louis)
I asked you a question in post #60. Would you be son kind to answer it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I think that this game might be over in one round, one way or another.
GH :whip:
guys, thanks for all the prod- voting, but understand that I tend to go out at night. My summer holidays have already started, and I can basically make it as late as I wish :yes:
I think a smart assassin would be a mix of both, and I think you're well aware of that. :wink:Quote:
I think our assassin would be either very pro-active or very quiet. That means either Andres or Dutch_guy.
PS: keep in mind I leave in Holland, which is at least a seven hour time difference with the States. Don't expect me to reply at such an absurd time again.
:balloon2:
Hah, I'm the only non-Euro playing right now. You guys should be getting on me.Quote:
PS: keep in mind I leave in Holland, which is at least a seven hour time difference with the States. Don't expect me to reply at such an absurd time again.
Well, given the mechanics of this game, it is highly recommended every player participates and votes. Have any suspicions already? Constantly abstaining won't do you any good :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
With the exception of GH, all players are euro's. So feel free to answer at a non-absurd time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Louis, why did you deliberately ignore to answer my question or to comment my statements?
And how about Dutch_guy's answer? You voted to pressure him, to make him talk. Now that he has, what are your thoughts? Any comments at all?
What are your thoughts on the other players thus far?
I did answer your question, more or less, in my previous post. I think we should discuss matters, yes. But, this was my answer, I also think that the assassin, being the only one without a clue as to the identity of the others, will be either very silent or very pro-active. Silent, because he lacks information everybody else has, and this could betray himself if he talks too much. Or pro-active because more than anybody else he's desperate to snoop around and figure stuff out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres, fishing for information
Look, unlike probably you, I don't need to find out who the king is from amongst five people. I only need to find out who the assassin is from amongst four people. I've got time too, if I make a mistake, I've got three more shots at it. No sweat. The Assassin only has one shot - are you desperate yet?
Oh no worries Andres, I understand abstaining won't do us much good in such a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
There's been too little discussion going on, we need to generate more of it - with people saying so little it's hard to deduct anything. Which is why I'm voting Warmaster Horus. What are your current thoughts of the game, and if you had to vote who'd be your pick ? How do you think we can best find the assassin ? Yeah, that's - to quote GH - a 'prodding' vote. And I'd like to hear you what you have to say, when you have the time to answer.
Yeah, I gathered as much from GenH's reply. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
As stated above. And while we're at it, what are yours ? Remember I do know how you act as a mafioso...Quote:
What are your thoughts on the other players thus far?
:balloon2:
May I point out something I realized today. The player who promotes discussion the most is most likely to be the assassin - in this game the assassin is looking for the King which he may be able to route out by talking. Doesn't that take us over to Andres?
Of course, 10 to 6 isn't an absurd time, so feel free to post at around those hours...
If I had to vote somebody, I guess I'd vote Andres. Or Omanes. Andres has been directing conversation, and that, as said above, can be a sign from the mafia.
Omanes, though, has been active recently, and after Dutch_Guy's return. His (Omane's) last post being a query on Dutch Guy, he should have returned by now.
As for how to find an assassin who doesn't know anybody, who's surrounded by people who know one person, I'd try to trap him. If he's intelligent enough, he won't fall in said trap, but he still might. Vote analysis, or lack thereof, or enthusiasm of voting can be also used. If one of the aforementioned suspects are included in the results of those searches, then it's all the better, innit?
Have I said enough? Do you want more? Because, of course, revealing a method of mafia search, can lead to the mafia not being caught.
So, Omanes, who do you think promotes discussion here? Also, isn't lack of discussion a benefit for the assassin?
Andres - twenty-two ingame posts. The person below him GH, only has thirteen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus
I do not believe so in this game. The assassin is looking for the King and is preparing to kill him. He will only find the king through hunting for him, mostly through searching over discussion. Of course this can work both ways, so really it does balance itself out in neither side's favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus
Answering my own question, no, lack of discussion doesn't benefit the assassin. I forgot/overlooked the fact that there were no night kills.
Yeah, but you're not Kommodus ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Omanes should know by now, that this is my regular play style. And his defence wasn't convincing.
Louis made some valid points, but on the other hand, there's something, I don't know, not right. It seems like he is walking on two different, eh, ideas. On the one hand, he favors discussion, on the other hand, he doesn't because it would give clues to the assassin. This seems like the big dillemma in this game.
Louis, were you actually saying that just randomly lynching players is a sound tactic in this game? Or am I misunderstanding you? Anyway, if we make two subsequent mistakes, the assassin might start noticing which player doesn't get as much attention as the others, vote-wise that is. That player would obviously be the King. The discussion will give clues and might help us to find the assassin, but to detect the King, the assassin needs to pay attention to the voting pattern. The more rounds with votes that lead to an actual lynch, the more it will become clear to the assassin imo. A bad reason to unvote player K who has at a certain moment X (votes with X = number of votes to lynch - 1) might be exactly the clue the assassin is looking for. Me thinks the assassin will never put a second or third vote on a certain player. He'll always try to look for a reason to be the first to vote somebody else who hasn't got any votes.
GH started discussion in the thread, together with me. It seems odd he isn't participating anymore, now that the discussion is really going on :inquisitive: It's even more odd considering the fact he is online for about more than an hour and a half right now. And he only made two posts thus far, one in Heinken and one in American election. It doesn't make any sense that he doesn't participate in the discussion at the moment.
As for you Dutch, well, it's always difficult. You are an extreme lurker who only pops up when under pressure, like you did now with two votes on your name. But I think that's just you, you never post alot until end-game unless to avoid a lynching, you do this as a townie as well as mafia. I still remember my mistake in CN II, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt right now.
Can't say much about Warmaster Horus. Seems like he tries to go with the flow, a bit like he is being evasive in his posts, trying to avoid to get too much attention.
Hmmm, I think I'm going to
Unvote ; Vote : GeneralHankerchief
First post in over four hours. When there's something to be discussed I shall discuss it.Quote:
now that the discussion is really going on
But it was the eight post since your last one. If we are all going to sit here and wait for new posts to discuss, well, than there wouldn't be much discussion going anymore, wouldn't there?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
This game isn't moving. Gah!
I'll just throw my thoughts out in the open then, get some action going:
I'd trap him too. Now if only I would know how...Quote:
Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus
Got any clues or methods to share?
BTW, I notice you haven't voted yet...? Hmm...:inquisitive:
Andres: you've been suspiciously silent after I exposed your pro-activeness as assasinish behaviour. No more snooping about? What, you've decided to lay low for a while? Got anything to hide?
Omanes: your second-to-last post was, in all but quote tags, a repeat of mine. Then there was this triple editing thingy. And you're acting suspiciously much like a suspicious person trying to look unsuspicious.
*keeps a firm eye on Omanes*
Dutch_guy: I play this game by the adage that the assassin will be either very pro-active or very silent. So far, you've posted only two posts. Both of which said, well, very little, and were only the result of people pressuring you to speak. What, you're clueless? No idea who the king is yet? Sitting quietly on the sidelines waiting for any signs?
The General is awfully secretive too. This his normal way of playing? Maybe we should hang him just for laffs'. Team up on him, then when he logs in after dinner he'll be just in time for that euro-style swinging party we've prepared for him.
Gah! I say we just lynch somebody and get this game moving.
Okay, fine.
Louis is coming after you (Andres). I think you're innocent, and I have my reasons as to why. They might be revised later on. That said, he accurately describes the unique problem arising from this game, something which I do not believe the assassin would do.
Dutch has, oddly enough, said that more discussion is needed and has only posted once to vote for Horus. I'd label this as typical Dutch_guy or possibly even suspicious, but my vote's already on him. I think D-Man needs to adhere to his own advice.
We're mostly discussing discussion, which has its merits. But I can only go so far on one topic.
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Well, you "exposed" me at 5 pm. I work until 6 pm. After work, me and my wife did our two weekly groceries in the Carrefour. After that we ate pizza (I had a quatro fromaggi, she took one with spinache), with two glasses of wine (white wine, it was a bordeaux IIRC) each. Then we had dessert. Ice Cream. Speculoos ice cream from Ijsboerke (we just bought a 2,5 liter box at the Carrefour). We talked a bit after dinner. No cognac after dinner this time ~;) . Afterwards, my wifed needed the PC for more important matters than mafia games (yeah yeah, I know, there are no such things as "more important than mafia games", but you know women...), so I had to wait. After that, I had to read what has been posted. And then, I posted.
So that's why they call you "an Honorary Texan" in the "Who the hell are you anyway thread"... :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis, the frustrated assassin?
Texas has a refreshingly straight-to-the-point way of doing things, yes. :cowboy:Quote:
So that's why they call you "an Honorary Texan" in the "Who the hell are you anyway thread"... :inquisitive:
I don't want to edit my previous post, but to be clear, it was written when this thread seemed death, before there were four new replies all of a sudden. I'm a slow typer...
D'accord mes amis, I am going offline now. Please do not lynch me post-haste. I shall be back most likely long after you have gone to bed.
Louis, not enough material to vote. If the discussion has been restricted to discussion, and if we are to be suspicious of people because of wanting it or not, then we're not going very far.
The Assassin:
-promotes discussion: to learn the King's identity
-minimises discussion: no to reveal himself
The guards+King
-promote discussion: to learn who is the assassin
-reduce discussion: to avoid a slip-up
Is that about right?
Désolé, mon ami. Et maintenant, bonne nuit! (And now, good night.)
Okay, time to offer somewhat of an elaborate view on the players.
Andres.
Has been posting a lot, as others such as Louis have stated. When he was a mafioso he'd overview posts as neutral sounding as he could be, often asking instead of answering, and letting go of a potential target once his posts seemed too forced. He's a fairly aggressive player, if you will, and likes to be in the middle of the discussion.
Louis
Haven't played with him a lot, as a matter of fact only in Capo ?. Don't know what to think of him really, as he's basically only pointed out the obvious so far. But I'd be a hypocrite were I to berate that, as I was one of the people who asked for more discussion :wink:
GeneralH
Well by all means, why don't you share them ? The town (yeah, not the correct word in this game, but who cares ;) ) has time, of course, but quite frankly we need to end this as soon as possible. The longer this takes, the more chance our assassin has of blending in perfectly with the crowd. Oh, and in which post did Louis do so ? Or were you talking of Andres when you stated 'he accurately describes the unique problem arising from this game, something which I do not believe the assassin would do''Quote:
Louis is coming after you (Andres). I think you're innocent, and I have my reasons as to why. They might be revised later on. That said, he accurately describes the unique problem arising from this game, something which I do not believe the assassin would do.
Omanes
Has been a bit too silent for his doing, which is Ironic since that's exactly what he accused me of being. And the things which you have said, for example:
...is all great, and true, but is so inconclusive Warmaster probably knew it already.Quote:
I do not believe so in this game. The assassin is looking for the King and is preparing to kill him. He will only find the king through hunting for him, mostly through searching over discussion. Of course this can work both ways, so really it does balance itself out in neither side's favor.
Warmaster Horus
while there may not be enough material to vote, we'll have to do so eventually. It's our only chance of flushing out our rat, and how do you expect to find conclusive evidence at such an early stage of the game ? It isn't there, it never is, and god knows how many games I've looked for it.
And the following:
Is how I imagine an assassin would adhere to the probes of his investigators. It's a neutral and obvious message, it's as if you're trying not to give anything away - and that worries me. It's the same with Omanes really.Quote:
The Assassin:
-promotes discussion: to learn the King's identity
-minimises discussion: no to reveal himself
The guards+King
-promote discussion: to learn who is the assassin
-reduce discussion: to avoid a slip-up
As it is, my vote stands.
Oh, and don't worry GeneralH, I'm going to bed - and all other euro's are probably in theirs already, so I imagine you won't be lynched in your sleep :wink:
:balloon2:
I wish I had participated in this game...
There have been votes placed on 5 players.
Was any of them on the King?
- If not, you have revealed the King.
- If so, you have discovered the Assasin.
Two players have not voted.. the King and the Assasin?
The Assasin would be wary of placing a wrong vote, so players shifting votes should be guards or King.
Please continue...
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the current tally?
Omanes - 0
GH - 1
WH - 0
Andres - 2
Dutch Guy - 2
Louis - 0
BTW, only the King should be wary of changing votes, he's the least informed individual, followed closely by the guards. The assassin can just random kill - to him it doesn't matter who dies as long as its not himself, although the death of the king would be nice for him.
Just his initial posting style. It didn't give off any bad waves. His later posting style is a bit more suspicious, but I haven't really been paying much attention in recent games to compare.Quote:
Well by all means, why don't you share them ? The town (yeah, not the correct word in this game, but who cares ;) ) has time, of course, but quite frankly we need to end this as soon as possible.
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Oh, and in which post did Louis do so ? Or were you talking of Andres when you stated 'he accurately describes the unique problem arising from this game, something which I do not believe the assassin would do''
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Dutch Guy voted me.
I am saying that all though the chance is great of not voting the king should you just throw out a random vote, the chance for the assassin to vote for the king is there. If the assassin votes the King, the rest of the guardsmen would be over him like hungry wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
A lot of vote-shifting is a good strategy and even though only a few players actually have a vote on them now, the voteshifting have covered 5 players already.