Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans

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Originally Posted by Beirut

If you either don't know the answer, which is fine, or are refusing to answer if you do, which is fine also, it would help the discussion if you said so.

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Well it would greatly help the discussion in a Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans kinda way if you mentioned how many pakistani and indonesians civilians were killed by americans and jews in the last years. Or does all that so many types of islam don't count anymore and is it one thing after all?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Are they facts as Dave presented them ?

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Well yes, what he wants to say with it I'll leave to him.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that the place where the breakaway "christian" faction that didn't like the peace deal that ended their little long running civil war in the south moved to to start a new civil war ? or is that a different Darfur ?::inquisitive: Would you like to choose a different conflict to try and make your point:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

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You mean the Dinka? You mentioned that before that is new to me, forget what I was wrong. The way I heard it was a campaign in the west and later the south that was run by the islamist government in Khartoum with the help of (arab?) beards. Also read a rapport that the rebels aren't peaches that are all to willing to do the same thing (you meant that?), but who is in africa

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Well it would greatly help the discussion in a Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans kinda way if you mentioned how many pakistani and indonesians civilians were killed by americans and jews in the last years.

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So I have to partially answer my own question before I can ask the question in question? And if so, which part of the question in question should I answer prior to asking the question itself?

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Originally Posted by Beirut

So I have to partially answer my own question before I can ask the question in question? And if so, which part of the question in question should I answer prior to asking the question itself?

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Yeah something like that. You want to put things in perspective, there it is. They are rioting in Indonesia and Pakistan. How many of these pakistani's and indonesians got killed that they are so angry? Just riding your chain of thought.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Yeah something like that.

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Yeah, kind of looked that way. But it was an enjoyable dance while is lasted, nes ce pas?

So, If I may repeat myself for the benefit of someone else who might know:

"In the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?"

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Beirut

Yeah, kind of looked that way. But it was an enjoyable dance while is lasted, nes ce pas?

So, If I may repeat myself for the benefit of someone else who might know:

"In the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?"

Thanks.

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Just tried to show you that that question isn't relevant. Unless of course we are talking about islam as a single body after all and there is no such thing such as a pakistani muslim, or an indonesian muslim, just muslims. So, how many non-muslims got killed by muslims the last year. That would give ligitimacy to any action no?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Just tried to show you that that question isn't relevant.

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It is to me. And since I'm the one asking it...

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Originally Posted by Fragony

So, how many non-muslims got killed by muslims the last year. That would give ligitimacy to any action no?

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You are, of course, allowed to ask any question you want. I, because of my good nature, would do you the courtesy of either answering it, saying I don't know what the answer is, or simply not responding with any post at all. Or, if I had an objection with the phrasing of the question I would mention it once. Perhaps even twice. But to go on and on and on...

No, I would not do that.

The question, sir, stands.

So confusing, so how many muslim civilians got killed by americans and israeli's making the pakistani and indonesian citizens so angry, or are it the pakistani and indonesian muslims that are angry because of the iraqi and palestinians civilians that got killed. So what reason do the pakistani's and indonesians hav to hate americans and jews, what did they ever do to them. You seem to think they have good reason to be angry, why?

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Well yes, what he wants to say with it I'll leave to him.

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Are they really ?

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You mean the Dinka? You mentioned that before that is new to me, forget what I was wrong. The way I heard it was a campaign in the west and later the south that was run by the islamist government in Khartoum with the help of (arab?) beards. Also read a rapport that the rebels aren't peaches that are all to willing to do the same thing (you meant that?)

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OK you got that backwards as well , isn't it funny that you mention a topic as an example to use but then go on to show that you don't know anything about it .:oops:

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but who is in africa

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errrrr.....africans mainly :idea2:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

OK you got that backwards as well , isn't it funny that you mention a topic as an example to use but then go on to show that you don't know anything about it .:oops:

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Somewhat unfortunate ~;) Got a link by any chance?

Very interesting and all, but where is Islamic Rage Boy?

https://img214.imageshack.us/img214/...esterexcs7.jpg

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Don't you ever get tired of pointing out to the rest of us just how evil those naughty Muslims are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

I love Islamic Rage Boy!!!! Check out the nose on your face website. Cracks me up everytime...

Nice one innocentious :2thumbsup: .
How many posts in this topic (or any of the multitude of its teh Muslims topics) are textbook definitions of that bigotry?

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Originally Posted by Innocentius

Don't you ever get tired of pointing out to the rest of us just how evil those naughty Muslims are?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

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If that was directed at me, I hoped I did a better job of explaining my position (not that I take one here), but it's an excercise in futility sadly. I don't believe in a physical islamic threat, the only fundamentalists that are really a threat to our country's are multicultists, the most religious of them all. If muslims ever pose a serious physcial threat it's because multicultists couldn't provide a clear sense of direction raising expectations they can't meet. Some people can only think in terms of bigotry and hate, confuses me to no end.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

So what reason do the pakistani's and indonesians hav to hate americans and jews, what did they ever do to them. You seem to think they have good reason to be angry, why?

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I don't know that they have a good reason to hate Americans and Israelis. That is why I asked the question I did. And the answer to my question will not be an answer to the overall question itself that this thread occupies itself with, but just one part of the equation to, perhaps, finding an answer to the overall question.

Now, may I safely assume that you will continue to refuse both to answer the question or to say that you do not know the answer to the question and instead refute the question itself on the grounds that you do not like the question? And, if you continue to question the question in question, may I ask how long you will continue to do so, so that we may, perchance, find an end to the questioning of the question and, perchance, find an answer to it?

Fragony: No, that wasn't directed to anyone in particular except perhaps for the creator of this thread. There are already a bunch of islamophobic threads in here, why don't we just sticky a thread where upset westerners can post whenever they feel threatened by a few hundred (or less) nutjobs in some desolate middle eastern town?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

So what reason do the pakistani's and indonesians hav to hate americans and jews, what did they ever do to them.

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Pakistani's have no reason to hate the US? What?

Pakistan has a military dictator. Said dictator is a close ally of the US, and the US benefits from having him in charge.

I'd say that's more than enough reason.

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Originally Posted by Geoffrey S

Well, at least it slants the other way... But it's got similar numbers, which I guess is what you're looking for.

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Thank you. When I see something from Fox I try to find a place somewhere else to back it up. I didn't in the past, but after watching Fox News on television on a trip to Costa Rica...:wall:

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Originally Posted by Beirut

If I may ask a politically incorrect question that bears directly upon the title of this thread - in the last two or three years, how many Muslim civilians have been killed by Israelis and Americans as opposed to American and Israeli civilians killed by Muslims?

The question has some pertinence.

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Lets add all US embassy bombings + 9-11 + world trade center bombing in 90's + israeli deaths because of terrorists and palistinian/hamas/ hezbollah =???

now add: all civ casualties during iraq war 1 and 2 + israeli accidental (or not) attacks that harmed civs= ???

# should be great on both sides. note that MOST civ casualties were caused by iraqi foolish/evil freedom fighters.

I think more US and israeli deaths or more than mulsim, especially since they kill more of their own than us every time they attack.


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Originally Posted by Fragony

Yeah something like that. You want to put things in perspective, there it is. They are rioting in Indonesia and Pakistan. How many of these pakistani's and indonesians got killed that they are so angry? Just riding your chain of thought.

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How many people from your family got killed by muslim fundamentalists ? Probably something like what, 0, none, nada ?
Then why are you so angry ?

Quite frankly, they are morons. Giving guns to children and manifesting in such a outrageous way is silly as hell, yeah, but why would I care ? It's not as if they are actually threatening my way of life.

The world is Fox News.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

The world is Fox News.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Lets add all US embassy bombings + 9-11 + world trade center bombing in 90's + israeli deaths because of terrorists and palistinian/hamas/ hezbollah =???

now add: all civ casualties during iraq war 1 and 2 + israeli accidental (or not) attacks that harmed civs= ???

# should be great on both sides. note that MOST civ casualties were caused by iraqi foolish/evil freedom fighters.

I think more US and israeli deaths or more than mulsim, especially since they kill more of their own than us every time they attack.

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Uhm, no, that would be wrong.

For example, Israel kills a lot more people than their enemies do. In the lebanon war, around 1000 lebanese civillians were killed, as opposed to 44 israeli citizens killed.

It's all very logical though; you're bound to kill more people when you launch air strikes as a way of assassination than you will when you ignite a homemade bomb.

And in Iraq, the estimates range from 80.000 to around a half a million dead. That's at least 10 times all the deaths of every attack on US embassies and 911.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

How many people from your family got killed by muslim fundamentalists ? Probably something like what, 0, none, nada ?
Then why are you so angry ?

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Makes you think I am angry? Annoyed, yeah, quite a lot.

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Makes you think I am angry? Annoyed, yeah, quite a lot.

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Would it be accurate to describe you as the non muslim version of Islamic rage boy ?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Would it be accurate to describe you as the non muslim version of Islamic rage boy ?

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Morning to you and that midget that is currently using your brain for boxing practise Tribes, I trust you had a good night? No I don't think that would be accurate, are you radicalising??

I'm still having a lot of trouble equating all of this up. How many Americans/Westerners have been killed by Arabs/Muslims in the last Five Years vs How many Arabs/Muslims have killed other Arabs/Muslims and how many Americans/Westerners have killed other Americans/Westerners? The Number Would Probably quiet the lot of you complainers, fear mongers, and anti Arabists. I know for a fact, that the American civilian casualties per year in L.A. County Alone is quite close to the American Military Casualties per year in Iraq . Sort of Sad isn't it?

http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx (American Deaths in Iraq in 2007; 824)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homi.../01/index.html

(Gang Related and Homicide Deaths in just LA County this year; 664)

Ouch. Keep in mind, this is just L.A. County.

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No I don't think that would be accurate, are you radicalising??

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Well I just thought that he as he has ranting rages about things that he thinks are non-muslim and you have ranting rages about things that you think are muslim then perhaps you were twins seperated at birth .

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The Number Would Probably quiet the lot of you complainers, fear mongers, and anti Arabists.

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Waki its gonna take more than numbers , you can provide lists of terrorists lists of conflicts , list of killings it don't make no difference .
The whole thing about Islamaphobia is that like racism it has no real rationality , you can make them look stupid (not that it needs much effort) but you cannot get them to think beyond their irrational fears and prejudice which grow into hatred .:shrug:

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Lets add all US embassy bombings + 9-11 + world trade center bombing in 90's + israeli deaths because of terrorists and palistinian/hamas/ hezbollah =???

now add: all civ casualties during iraq war 1 and 2 + israeli accidental (or not) attacks that harmed civs= ???

# should be great on both sides. note that MOST civ casualties were caused by iraqi foolish/evil freedom fighters.

I think more US and israeli deaths or more than mulsim, especially since they kill more of their own than us every time they attack.


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Thank you for addressing the question. :bow:

You're saying the civilian casualties inflicted by the US and Israel in Iraq, Lebanon, and the Occupied Territories (for example) combined are of a lesser number than the casualties inflicted by Muslims against US and Israeli civilians?

Personally, I would think the opposite, by a wide margin. Palestinian civilian casualties have always far outweighed Israeli civilian casualties, and the numbers of Iraqis killed in the two wars is certainly in the tens of thousands at least. Some have said hundreds of thousands. US deaths in Iraq (an incredible and criminal waste of life I might add) are roughly four thousand. Tragic to be sure, but far, far less than what the Iraqis have suffered. In Lebanon, the slaughter of civilians at the hands of the Israelis was certainly in the thousands again.

I would think the number of Muslim civilians killed by the US and Israel far outweighs the numbers of civilian US and Israelis killed by Muslims. When the Muslim communities around the world see this, and see it year after year, would you not think that anger would be the result?

I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong, I'm just saying it shouldn't surprise anyone that this level of anger exists. When someone posts "Oh my! They hate us? But why?", I admit to having a bit of a chuckle at the innocence some people still exhibit.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well I just thought that he as he has ranting rages about things that he thinks are non-muslim and you have ranting rages about things that you think are muslim then perhaps you were twins seperated at birth .

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Is it very hard to intentionally not get the point? Explained (well I tried, you try convincing a fundamentalist) it soooooooooooooooo many times but you seem to be rather fixed in things, now that is pretty much common with radical leftists but you seem even more determined, sometimes I get the feeling you are in fact some weird time/space anomaly channeling messages from the seventies. You are kinda 'this' or 'that' in a rather Bushist fashion if I may say so. Well very.