The Hundred and Four: Council Thread for the SSbQ Succession Game

HAHAHA a smiling just arrived Hasdrubal comes from behind a stone pilar

Hear yourself all talk about taking this wanted that HAHA

We AL MOST BROKE my friends and war and especially war many kilometers over sea will cost money a lot of money
I suggest that some of you follow the courses of military school again (shaking his head)

I left Iberia with with 3 senators we decided all to take a different route cause you all know that Iberia is NOT connected with a save passage from there to here i fear the worst of them i hope they will show up soon but i think we lost 1 or 2 or maybe all 3 of them myself barely survived the journey

There should be done something about that or you may play as you like hide and seek in our own backyard???

this should be OUR number one concern how can anybody talk about taking Syrakousai? for what... pride??? When in the backyard of his homeland rebels rule the place!!!!

Let's say we decide to take Syrakousai what would the Romani say...i will bet you they will take action maybe not right away but they shall think something like so they try to expand in our direction that's not ok

From the Romani we get al lot of trade what gives us a good finances would you risk that in our situation ?????

My idea is to clean up our homeland territory and free the towns from those Numibian rebels

Towns like Kirtan,Siga,Lixus and Sala in Mauritania belong to us we must free them first
to have a good and stable economy before we do something else

Also i suggest to sent a diplomat to the homeland of the epeiros and stop the hostility
with them and establish trade routes with them and other factions in that area

As news from my post in Mastia there is not much to tell except for Gader there is a strong
rebel force terrorizing the province and we together (Gader and Mastia) don't have the
manpower to fight them off our lands

Thats why its's important that we have to free Mauritania so we can have quick
reinforcements and open trade routes to those towns

The area here in lusitania is full of good trade resources wich will make us quickly rich and strong and then we can talk about expansion in Northen direction

And yes give all our cities at least a wooden wall

Because we can barely pay our troops i would suggest to retrain them when possible and use them to clean our backyard

Proposal 1.25 Assemble a army with the troops from
Adrumeto: 1 unit of light cavalry
and 1 unit of Iberian light infantry

Kart-Hadast: 1 unit of Poeni citizen militia
3 units of Iberian light infantry

Atiqa: 2 units of Iberian spearman

Lilibeo: 2 units of Iberian light infantry

And merge them with the 4 units near Atiqa

And start chasing rebels and take the city's of

Kirtan,Siga,Lixus and Sala in Mauritania

I believe we should vote to have at least 2 plans depending on what our spies find out; if Syrakusa is too well defended it may well be in our interests to leave it be for the time being. So i propose any proposals accepted should definitely have a clause that states this in it. My thoughts at the moment no our offensive movements will now be written down using the already mentioned proposal and being made into one very large proposal. The proposal from Ippone is as follows:

Proposal 1.26 -
These will go in order of proposal number for the most part
The disbanding of most of the carthaginian fleet except the veteran fleet near Kart Hadast(Proposal 1.1). This will allow us to still move troops on and off the mainland while freeing up a large amount of money from former fleet upkeep. Along the same lines as upkeep and our financial situation i think the raises of very high taxes upon the people except where it would result in negative growth(1.16). This heavy taxing should not contiue past our first term as shophet but i think in the short run to get our economy on its feet it will be good
The first thing to be done on land would be the construction of a palisade in any regions which seem to be threatened at the moment the only two regions wihout a palisade that seem threatened are Alalia and Ippone (1.15).
Next I believe our current funds (10kmnai) should be usedin the construction of roads and land clearance in as many provinces as possible should commence(1.6 and 1.10) as roads serve two very important purposes 1. They make our armies more efficient in that they can cover more ground faster, hence needing smaller garrisoning forces in case of a siege. 2. They bring an increase in trade to the region. I believe these two purposes more than justify the cost of building roads in our provinces first.

(1.9)In the way of troops movements I would ask that the army outside of Atiqe be sent by ship along with 1 unit of libyians, 1 unit of liby-phoenicians, and one unit of experienced poeni citizen militia towars Ippone. This force will then consist of 7 good infantry units plus a general and the infantry already there. This force can then be dispatched to Kirtan leaving a garrison in Ippone. With a core of the good troops from Atiqe the city should fall no problem to our superior power and intelligence. This should take no more than 1 year from when the troops arrive to when the city is taken.

In the meantime
IBERIA: I would recommend the building of an armory for foreigners to be built in Mastia(sp? the city in southeast iberia) this will enable the recruitment of iberian light infantry and iberian skirmishers who are some of if not the best skirmishers in the known world. I would also recomment the construction of roads linking the two iberian cities for faster reinforcements between the cities. This should allow our cities in Iberia to hold out against any rebel invasions until Syrakusa is secured at which time troops can be sent to Iberia in large number(1.21).

SICILY: if the homeland looks secure i would advise troops also be sent from Kart Hadast with a diplomat to sicily to help in teh campaign there.



(1.18)After Kirtan is taken the city will be sacked and the people enslaved. All but what is needed to keep the population from rebelling can be sent back to Ippone, with Kirtan now acting as a buffer allowing Ippone to grow and the troops from the battle to be sent to Sicily for use in the campaign against Syrakusa.

What say ye, good senators?

Hanno-does your thirst for victory overcome your senses? Do you desire admiration for a brilliant battle and the reputation as a military genius more than is right or honourable?

To attempt to take Syrakousai now would be folly, when we do not have the infrastructure to support such an endeavour. We may as well pile men against the walls so that the last man can run up to the battlements over the bodies of his former companions. Maintaining such an army to take Syrakousai takes a lot of money, something we cannot spare right now when our priorities lie withing our own empire.

In addition, the insolent upstarts in the Italian peninsular may start getting ideas if we take Syrakousai. While they may be arrogant, they are worthwhile trading partners, and to lose them, as well as the Greeks, would cripple our sea trade and reduce us to mere paupers. We will need to find other sources of money, and mines in Iberia would let us do that.

Hanno, You are a fool, you know nothing of warfare if you mistakenly assume I can take the city of Syracusai with the small force I have stationed in Sicily right now.

You are all foolish to also assume the bumpkin city-state of Roma is going to take interest in our dealings with the syracusians, They are obviously busy with the remainder of Pyrrhos in Italy, and the fools had put a mercenary in charge of Rhegion, they have no cares about Sicily!

Obviously none of you have been in a battle, let alone command an army. If only you had paid more attention in school about military tactics and strategy, you would understand the strategic and moral importance of the capture of this city, not even mentioning the economic opportunities the capture of the city would provide.

The greeks pay no attention to Syracusai either, they are too busy fighting with themselves to care.

Hamalcar everyone is a fool, we are all fools of stupid jollity here from your own incomprehensible perspective!
You even call he who did argue your right to cause an offensive in Sicily, or even did stay in favour of any military weight you may hold in your province - a fool!

Like many others here you have bluntly returned my support with without warning and very violently upbraided me.
In light of this, that those who I have shielded and possessed well in Sicily do vanquish my friendship with them, I declare that I will assist no longer in Hamalcar's trifling adventures, lest I be a 'fool' in doing so.

Lepki will submit to no levies being sent to Sicily, if you wish to force them from us, you will find yourselves in a very dangerous and unfavourable station.


Hasdrubal! Perhaps you should take care to wander in the forum for a while, better still be gone, and recreate yourself within the city for today.
It does seem very apparent that the journey here has corrupted you!

However what you have said, though hurried and broken, is understable, and let it be known to the council here, that in my tearing off from the conduct in Sicily, I do now hold a decision as to where I should support a campaign.
Iberia, or Numidia, and I am willing to be persuaded on this matter, providing that you all do acknowledge and appreciate my assistance when you have it.

And there will be no apology, tempered Senator, Lepki is my province and it is a very loyal citizenry that I keep there.
They will agree with me on every matter, and boycott whoever I deem to punish for their insults.
So, contrary to your sickly demands, I will repeat my offer to Mago.

Governor, you are a fine candidate for Shophet, and most surely my vote will bring you to a very powerful seat.
And if you will, as Shophet, provide during your entire term constant financial support for the city of Lepki that we may develop our trading and docking, we will levy two regiments for use of in the home garrison.
These you may take to Ippone to defend against those Numidian goats!
Or rather sheperd the western goats that we keep in that village!

Also, if you do this, I promise my city will submit to a high tax rate, and you will always have our appreciation in your reign as Shophet.
This is not a ransom - I am but a tribune of my people, and all of their voices, the frail, the booming, the young, center their praises, attitudes and severest wants within me.
If I am content, Lepki is content.

If I am scorned, a province is scorned. And we do all know, that Lepki is but a barren wasteland, and that barren lands breed violent, rebellious men.

Looks at Hamalcar

Man o man see our situation as a fighter

OUR body(homeland) has to be fit before we can seriously give a good punch

As in my situation (Iberia) i would like to cleanup the region of those rebels but i know WE can't do that yet

First we need to be fit so we have to do something about our economic situation and just have to wait till the rebel situation in our homeland is

taken care off

As for you Gisgo i almost agree with your proposal except for that fact i will say no to every proposal for taking militairy action against Syrakousai that is

what i don't like about it we can better use these troops in Mauritania to take all the coastal settlements from the rebels

You suggest that I would seek to start a civil war by forcing Lepki under my wing, you assume too much.

Ha! Leves from Lepki would serve as the weakness of my army either way, I do not need nor want the bastard children from your ignorant wives anyway!

Your seemingly strong, elegant way to speak is a mere trick, for underneath it is obvious to see your attempts to shift the focus of our empire onto lepki, one of our most remote, uninteresting, unprofitable settlements in the entire empire.

So go now, Rot in the afternoon Sun, wander aimlessly through the desert looking for ways to increase your profit's for the "empire" when really, you look to gain a profit for yourself, you have not the interest of the empire in your heart, you have the interest of your self as priority!

I have no desire to exchange words with a man as fork tongued as you any longer, until you wake yourself from this dream of a Kart-Hadast equivelent Lepki, with your governor's palace in the center and your many wives sleeping in your bed while your brats roll around on the floor.

*Mago stands to rise, somewhat bemused by the situation as it unfolds before him*

I am honoured that our Governor from the east would hold me in such high esteem.

However, I fear that in-fighting may tear this noble council apart. We must not lose sight of the issues at hand.

The latest development within this hall, as I see it, is shall we defend Ippone or take Syrakousai?

I must admit that I am leaning towards the former, as the city of Kirtan is but a hair's breadth from our loyal Gisgo's Palace, and the stone walls of Syrakousai shall not be a meager task to assault. Our Elephants will be made nearly useless, and I would advise that these are sent to the theatre where we intend to take offensive actions within the first term, or they be disbanded completely until such time as we can afford the great beasts and the hefty care they require.

The Pachyderms will serve little purpose in Sicilia at the moment, and it is thusly that at this time, I will formally withdraw all support for an attack on Syrakousai in the next term.

I fear I may gain Hamalcar's ire, but I would not send this empire into a war we cannot win, and unless Hamalcar recieves hefty re-inforcements and we leave the cities of Ippone and Gader woefully underdefended, this is very likely the case over the next two years.

May I remind our young Governor from Sicilia that the time for his house to rise will come, but we must ensure his house does not fall, for all of Carthaginian Sicilia will fall with it.

Mago speaks with some wisdom, Although begrudgingly I give my full support to Gisgo and all his proposals, Although I would ask that my elephants be left with me, I have paid greatly to acquire them, and It would be a waste to let them run free on the plains of Sicily until after our conquest of Syracusai.

Gisgo, Kill those Kirtan bastards quickly, so I may avenge the lives of our fathers, and slaughter our Greek rivals once and for all, of which I desire most of all.

I support our most noble governor Magos words. Though I am a Barcine I can see wisdom in his statement. I hereby also support Governors Gisgo, Bomilkar, and Hamalcar But I beseech him that after this campaign is through that attention be turned towards Syracuse. And as for Governor Hanno. Your words disgust me! To me right now you are no better than a power hungry Greek who rules a large piece of worthless sand. You claim to support our most noble Republic but your actions show otherwise. All I see is a power hungry man that is attempting to overthrow our Most Noble system of government. Baal forbid the day that you would come to power. You are nothing more than a tyrant! I curse the day your mother bore you! I pray that you repent of your deeds before it is to late!

Senator of Hadrumetum..

Or had you forgotten, that you are, a Senator - of Adrumeto!
I have no need to defend myself against your spittle!
My stature and my ability are like a colossus which does in total ignorance stand clearly and advantageously far above your gaze.
And your attempts to violate the justice, and puissance of my words do like the waves coursed by passing Biremes - halve and break against the very base of my power.

So do not accuse rampantly anything of your neighbouring province, for it is a loving province, and one that will always support Adrumeto and not relinquish support for such a fine city due to the ingratitude of one.

Bomikar! Strangle this creature with a muzzle before it destroys the reputation of your dominion!

Mago, this Senator would address you already as Shophet, but you are not such a man, and will not be until my vote is thrown within your favour.
And it is such a globally beneficial profit that I ask for - that we may in Lepki serve our empire more efficiently.
The rewards you will reap for your conduct in favour of my province will far beset the financial cost.
Consider it Governor... Or, will I say - Shophet?

*stands to address the council*

First let me say that i am in compete agreement with Mago and his son Gisgo. Making sure our home provinces are safe and secure should be of utmost importance. So i stand in agreement with Gisgo's proposal to ask the council where we as a nation might send the councils troops. Let i remind everyone here that the troops stationed in our cities remain under the councils rule and not each and everyone's own personal guard. If we think we can just order troops around where we like, our military will be swiftly destroyed by those foolish enough to take matters into their own hands! Also imagine if someone would decide to hold troops just because they are angry at a fellow member of our council, just think you might be the one to condem the lives of our fair people by not sending that aid! So i say before you speak in haste about what you think you can do, think before you even begin to speak!

I will end on the note of praising Hamalcar for understanding the need Carthage before his dreams of conquest. When the time is right we shall strike at the vile Greeks, which i desire with you!

*stands with a glare at Hanno*

I will not stand here and defend my senator as he is capable of doing it himself, but do not tell me to put a leash on him as I do not treat him like a slave like you must your own! Every man in this this nation has a right to say what they want! Do not make our brothers look like scum! We can blame that on the Romans!

*sits back down flustered*

The Senator of Adrumeto Humbly Stands
I apologize for referring to Mago as Shophet. But in my defence Governor Hanno's words offended me so deeply that I lost my head so hereby I edited my speech. Do not think that I want the power of our entire empire to go to only one man. That would defeat the purpose of this republic and make us like the Greeks who falsely claim they want freedom as an excuse to conquer their neighbors. The so called Delian League of Athens showed us true Greek character. I hereby apologize deeply to the council for my words of rage. But I do not apologize to Governor Hanno. You have the nerve to relate me a FREE man of the Republic to a Slave!!!! Hah! I agree with Governor Bomilcar! May your Serpents tongue that is full of Venom be plucked out by Baal Himself! Men who accuse other Men of such base things really do it because it is of true of themselves! So for you to say a numidian has no soul is really to say you Lack a Soul! So since you are nothing more then a brute beast I say you are the one in need of a leash! The Senator of Adrumeto sits back down clearly agitated

*pezhetairoi stands up to address the Council*

It would seem in the course of the speeches I have noticed a shift of focus towards my own city. My own governor, foremost of us, has himself made his plans, detailed as usual, incorporating the somewhat disjointed proposals we have made. It would be poor conduct for me to disagree with him, especially when, put so systematically, we may see a logical procedure in it. Hence I agree with Gisgo son of Mago wholeheartedly. If the resources of Africa will be concentrated upon Ippone to subdue the Numidian miscreants, I wholeheartedly agree! I had only advised the defensive before being unsure if the Council was willing to concentrate all its forces for one blow, divided as it was.

My dear Shophet, have we a charge in Council similar to the Roman maiestas? Have we a Tarpeian Rock from which we may hurl the guilty, or must we simply drown them in the harbour? I know of someone undeserving of the dignity of a Councillor and governor, whose acts would have brought him over the brink of the Tarpeian in the blink of an eye had he been Roman. Who has heard of such unseemly behaviour in the Senate? Yet here we have people treating the Safot Softim as if its individual provinces were their personal fiefdoms, and insults fellow citizens as slaves!

He who spoke of keeping our backyard clean and tidy before we could dare to look abroad speaks truth. We must be strong and united at home before we may turn our eyes to Spain or Sicily. Hence!

Proposal 1.27 I move that a vote of censure be taken against the rebellious Hanno, that he may know the displeasure of the Council and curb his behaviour.

*bounces up shaking his fist at senator Pezhetairoi*

What!?! You seek to cencure us? The council? Are we not here so we can speak freely, and while we may not agree then at least we can agree to disagree.

But if you seek to cencure and single out Senators and Govenors, where does that lead us? Should I next time around shut my bloody mouth instead of calling you blubbering fools to bring attention to Ippone? Should I next time around speak my mind or serve the council honeyed lies just so I won't get punished. We are free men, free to make our decicions and speak our mind freely

But people should also bear in mind that civility costs nothing and gains you much.

*seems to have let off his steam and sits down*

Dear senators, I forgive myself since other important maters forced my absence,

Much is said already and many humors have changed, may I remember that we are all Karthaginians?

Alalia, Karalis and Lilibeo are in the best position to became important markets of Mediterain. Though some of you do not consider our friendship with Rome do you recognize we will keep such friendship for some time. Alalia with a port, a fair trade center, and some agricultural encouragement will certainly profit much more than any mine in Iberia.

Together , the three cities will be able to allow us trade with Greeks, Gauls, Celts, Iberians, and all Italiotes! The chance for profit in matter of years if not months is undeniable.

Those three cities will also boost the economics of Karthadast, Adrumento, Atique and even Lepki or Bocchoris. Where is gold there can be founded power!

If we make the construction of economy of this three cities our primary concern never more will our general have to rely in militias, nor will our Admirals become fleet less.

So I come to a change in my initial proposals, instead of a narrow order of building ports, let us issue a general guidance comand and in proposal 1.6 we should read building those ports followed by the Construction priority to the economical growth of Karalis, Alalia and Lilibeo, by building trade centers, farms, and esecially mines in Karalis as soon as possible since it is better to have mines a day distant than three a month away in Iberia, not to mention the pirating problem of the transportation, there is our renown difficulties to deal with corruption in that far colonies.
As for military reinforcements, well, war is in Sicily as most here have said, sending expensive armies to Iberia while we recognize that Ippone is at very risk of being attacked by thieves and plunderers within an year time would not be the action of wise man such us, please I shall leave the details to the governors and their military staff, but wall must be build in Ippone and a fortification must be placed in Zeugitana frontier to allow an army to quickly move to hel the city in case of siege.

If it happens, this will be the time to punish the desert lords of Kirtan by taking their small and yet not profitable city.

As for the heat debate among senators and governors I ask (in loud voice) “Am I the e only one concerned more in discussing effective proposals then in exchanging aggressions?” (in calm voice) I think not!

Many of you will see many of the proposals are indeed the same ones differing only in implementation, what our governors needs is the general guidance of the Senate, they know how to implement the day to day affairs!

Soon we will have to decide for a new Sophet, only one has been second in his self nomination, only one is not involved in near affairs and has the freedom from the intentions clash we have seen the last hours, it is Mago and I urge you, fellow senators, to accept his nomination as Sophet!

As for censure, well, tough we may not like one or another comment we need to encourage the independence of thought necessary to bravely stand your point of view! What better censure is there, than our vote?

Please, take the next hours to analyze and decide who deserves your vote and which direction will our proposals take us, War, Peace, Trade, Farming, because this direction can not be changed before much effort is lost!

My friendly Senator from Palmyra, you are joyfully welcomed in defending my cause here.
Yet, it is clear to me in this council, that since I have at least the bare attention, and meager reinforcement of the speech of some here, I should be willing to allow leniency in return.

It is not greedy bartering that I either encourage or allow myself here, by my negotiation with Mago - which he is yet to speak in terms of!
As tribune of my province, I am obliged thoroughly to advise to the Senate their foremost wishes, and what would please the people of Lepki primarily.

In offering my support to Mago, I simply provided a means both of him finding the power he rightfully deserves in our Senate, and a way of obtaining great favour and friendship within the people of Lepki.
If he were to seek the assistance of the province of Attiqa, or their vote, he would do no less for them what I ask for my own city!

The great, towering power that I seemingly possess does not belong truly to me!
I am bestowed with it by the wilfull promise of Lepki, I am caught between two magnificent influences that awe me, the Senate, and the city from which I am come.
And so it is never the man here who does plead and assist here, Hanno, but the thousands strong that either rage or demand in my name!
Though they may be the force that drives the offensive wants of their own city and province, I am the weakened joint through which the criticisms and violent threats reply.

Consider, all of you, my position, which does stress my body to it's zenith as I attempt to hold Lepki to Carthage and Carthage to Lepki, before you do dishonour me with decrees and slander!

Very few of you know the nature of Hanno, and the justice he seeks truly is overshadowed and undernourished beneath the beck and call of Lepki!

Censure me not, and do not either allow me pity, but greet my speeches as those of a hungry and desperate province!

*rises gracefully from his seat*

Well spoken Govenor Hanno, glory of the empire is our cause and we may disagree the means to an end, but we do not disagree in the End and that is the rise of Karth-Hadast.

It seems that Mago has heard my plea to keep Ippone...and his son Gisgo safe from the Numidians so it seems that my vote and wise council shall be his for this term.

As this council soon comes to a close, I think I will ponder the strategic proposals and decide my votes on them even though I believe they should only be guidelines for our next Shophet as the future is not set in stone.

Though I shudder to return to Bocchoris as the journey will be treachorous and more so treachorous if we disband our navies, but one plea I have for the new Shophet, whoever might receive the post, and that is the funding for a simple drainage in Bocchoris 'cause frankly, right now the place stinks

*pezhetairoi rises and addresses nightstar*

Oh Nightstar, you misunderstand my motion, moved to censure Hanno for his declaration to withhold his troops from the good of the Empire. I do not move to censure Hanno for his words, for his mouth is his to do as he wishes. But to hold back his troops, that is danger to the empire! It is treasonous. And that is what I censure. Do you deny that Councillors sometimes require to be kept within the bounds of dignified conduct befitting a leader of the empire?

That aside, I thank you for your consideration of Ippone. I feel for your town on Baleares. I have heard it is a beautiful place, and to spoil it with midden heaps would be, quite frankly, very pathetic. I shall be sure to vote on it if the motion is moved after our foreign threats are removed.

And now, I shall await the voting process and the building of the long-awaited walls around my Ippone.

A senator from Gader arrives.

I hear of talk of war in Sicily. What madness is this? Our colonies in Iberia are in much more urgent need of soldiers. My own city of Gader, controlling the Pillars of Hercules, is but poorly garrisioned to deal with the barbarians prowling around our borders. Should the Turdetani tribe decide to plunder our colony, nothing could stop them.

We have no governor, a garrison of a hundred and sixty men, and a rough wooden stockade to keep out over a thousand Iberians. I need not ask you to guess what the outcome would be.

Syrakousai is not important at this present time. Lilibeo is close enough to Afrika to be reinforced at ease, should the foolish Greeks venture forth.

Defending our coastal colonies is more important. If we lose Gader and Mastia, then all hope of reestablishing a presence in Iberia vanishes. Local tribes, such as the Lusotanne, will quickly expand their influence and power, and prepare to resist futher colonisation.

Governors, Senators, members of this esteemed councill. The time for half-measures, indecision and ignorance has passed. Instead, we are entering a time of consequences ! Consequences for our inability to reach a decision !
We must reach a consensus, or risk disaster.
I realise the bitter infighting will only serve to weaken us, I therefor propose that we decide on a general strategy regarding our long-term military actions, as it is the debate over these that fuels the fire of discontent, and forget all that has been said here, forget all the insults and personal attacks we have seen over the past few days.
Whether this common decision be the liberation, as I see it, of Numidia, or the launching of a new and deadly war against the city of Siracuse, or the sending of troops to Iberia to stabilise and then dominate that region, or even the absence of any military action, we must come to agreement on one. Each one of these has it's advantages, each has it's benefits, as well as risks. Concentrating on either one with all of our strength will undoubtely produce the desired outcome.
We cannot however pursue all of these objectives. Failiure to concentrate one a particular course of action will result in defeat.
Once an agreement on one of these strategies has been reached, we can work together on how best to achieve success.

For it is not our personal interests, overgrown ego's, petty feuds, efemere glory that is important here, but rather our future as a nation ! It is in it's service that we have put our lives, and it is it's purposes that wich we must serve.
Glory to Kart-Hadast !

*As the young senator from Alalia takes his leave, Mago stands to address the council one final time*

My esteemed-council members, these proceedings are closed. We will conduct a vote for the position of Shophet tomorrow. Elections will be held over the next 24 hours. I wish you all safe travels until we meet again in 2 years time.

/End of First Meeting of the Hundred and Four

*after midnight - soon before the 2nd meeting of the Senate*


A shadowy figure :quiet: enters the senate chambers :brakelamp::candle::creep: :slomo:and inserts what looks to be a sheeps bladder half filled with air and the opening sewed shut on one side and on the other sewed to a strange looking hole. The bladder is placed in Hanno's seat, under the cushion:bullseye: he will be using. The shadowy figures chuckles~D:bounce: to himself as he awaits :hide:Hanno's early entrance into the chambers .:hourglass: MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*pezhetairoi arrives at the council house early in the morning having passed by on his morning jog. He pops in, notices the sheep's bladder, smiles and leaves quietly*

Sensing little will be done in the immediate future Carthalo returns by boat to Karali. He looks back on Kart-Hadast as the trireme leaves the harbor... "If only these Tsorim would see the sense in strengthening Karali..." He began talking to one of his bodyguards. But in his head, he was calculating how much of his family's fortune had been invested in karali, what the military potential was, how he would seize Italian territory... perhaps establish his own semi-autonomous colony in the North as the Barcas had done in Iberia... yes, the future is bright... if only the Council would... ah, the Council...

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