Another Benefit of Sharia Law: Lash those rape victims!

Well, let's sum up how idiotic such a law that prohibits women from being with men unrelated to them is...

How will the people of Saudi Arabia procreate? I mean...they can't seriously be supporting marrying within the family, can they? That's not a very good thing for the Human race. It means inbreeding. I suspect the people who come up with such laws have been badly shortchanged on the number of...darn it, what was that V&V in MTWI again? Mine is on the fritz, so I can't go check it out...lol...and I don't know where the file with the V&V descriptions is. But you get my point.

Any logical society MUST allow a man and a woman who are unrelated to be in one another's presence. A man and a woman who are unrelated may end up married and raising a family. They might split up before anything can happen, or have a fling, then find it's not working...or find true love. You just cannot keep it in the family, because that results in inbreeding, and that means the Human race is screwed, at least in Saudi Arabia. Anyone who knows biology would realise SA is asking for some nasty genetic defects prevalent in their society.

Or, am I taking that law too literally? Am I highlighting something that no one would be stupid enough to enforce? Seriously...not trying to be sarcastic here. I hope I didn't mis-interpret the law...sorry if I did so.

Wahabism subscribes to the "old school" approach to dating.

Womenfolk are escorted by family menfolk to meet potential suitors. Marriages are arranged, and may -- or may not -- be arranged with the full consent of the will-be wife. Once married off, the new wife is the responsibility of the husband's family for escort etc.

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Originally Posted by Kaidonni

I mean...they can't seriously be supporting marrying within the family, can they?

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That would be absolutily outragious, no they would never :laugh4: :laugh4:

The majority of the muslims in the netherlands marry their full cousins, leads to interesting children indeed. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Kaidonni

Any logical society MUST allow a man and a woman who are unrelated to be in one another's presence. A man and a woman who are unrelated may end up married and raising a family. They might split up before anything can happen, or have a fling, then find it's not working...or find true love. You just cannot keep it in the family, because that results in inbreeding, and that means the Human race is screwed, at least in Saudi Arabia. Anyone who knows biology would realise SA is asking for some nasty genetic defects prevalent in their society.

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As Seamus said, first you marry, then the nasty. Remember that marriage for love is a rather new and uncommon thing in this world...

@Fragony; well they must be very well integrated then, as they're doing the same thing that our very best men(royals) are doing...

I can think of more they have in common, but ah well.

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Originally Posted by Kaidonni

How will the people of Saudi Arabia procreate? I mean...they can't seriously be supporting marrying within the family, can they? That's not a very good thing for the Human race. It means inbreeding. I suspect the people who come up with such laws have been badly shortchanged on the number of...darn it, what was that V&V in MTWI again? Mine is on the fritz, so I can't go check it out...lol...and I don't know where the file with the V&V descriptions is. But you get my point.

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Toes.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

That would be absolutily outragious, no they would never :laugh4: :laugh4:

The majority of the muslims in the netherlands marry their full cousins, leads to interesting children indeed. :yes:

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Hey Frago ! Got any links where I can read up on that ?

what inbreeding screws people up?

ya right:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Its there buisness. Its damn stupid but its theres

This thread title is highly misleading and sensational.

She was not sentenced to punishment for being raped.

Rather, she was sentenced to punishment for committing a crime of her own.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

This thread title is highly misleading and sensational.

She was not sentenced to punishment for being raped.

Rather, she was sentenced to punishment for committing a crime of her own.

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Quite true. If you get raped, and at the same time you get a parking ticket for your car, that ticket won't go away because you got raped.

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Originally Posted by Boyar Son

what inbreeding screws people up?

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Apparently, they also make excellent heads of states.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Quite true. If you get raped, and at the same time you get a parking ticket for your car, that ticket won't go away because you got raped.

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Possibly, but I'm still trying to work out where it says she was in the car voluntarily, and not, you know, dragged in by her rapists...?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Quite true. If you get raped, and at the same time you get a parking ticket for your car, that ticket won't go away because you got raped.

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That, however, as true as it may be, completely ignores the emotional and psychological consequences of being raped as well as the inhumanity of being lashed for what I'd consider a minor crime. In combination, it's even worse.

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Possibly, but I'm still trying to work out where it says she was in the car voluntarily, and not, you know, dragged in by her rapists...?

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Well that would be easy to work out , was the person she was in the car with also sentanced for breaking the law but not sentanced for being a kidnapper or rapist like the other people who were involved .

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Originally Posted by Husar

That, however, as true as it may be, completely ignores the emotional and psychological consequences of being raped as well as the inhumanity of being lashed for what I'd consider a minor crime. In combination, it's even worse.

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A minor crime? Sick muslim law at its worst. Don't fall victim to moral relativism..

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

A minor crime? Sick muslim law at its worst. Don't fall victim to moral relativism..

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Sick Saudi Arabian law, Panzer... Haven't seen any other countries with that law...

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

A minor crime? Sick muslim law at its worst. Don't fall victim to moral relativism..

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What do you think would be easier to convince your ally of, lowering the sentence to a day in prison or dumping the complete law? So far they haven't done either and you apparently refuse to bomb and liberate them so... :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Sick Saudi Arabian law, Panzer... Haven't seen any other countries with that law...

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Nigeria, Iran, Pakistan, Libia to name a few. It's sharia law not arab law, or rather, in Saudi Arabia they have sharia law. Many countries have sharia courts but turn a blind eye from time to time. Doesn't matter if you get 10 years in prison or 20 for armed robbery, armed robbery is a crime. Same with being in a car with a man you aren't related to, it's the punishment that varies not the crime.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Nigeria, Iran, Pakistan, Libia

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Are you entirely sure that it's illegal for women to be in a car with a woman in those countries...?

You did mention a 50/50 christian/muslim state there, you know.. And Pakistan isn't ruled by religion, it's ruled by martial law... Same goes for Libya...

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Are you entirely sure that it's illegal for women to be in a car with a woman in those countries...?

You did mention a 50/50 christian/muslim state there, you know.. And Pakistan isn't ruled by religion, it's ruled by martial law... Same goes for Libya...

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I can say the exact same thing in endless variations. All these countries have sharia (light) courts that handle numerous things, and in Saudi Arabia they live it to the fullest.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I can say the exact same thing in endless variations. All these countries have sharia (light) courts that handle numerous things, and in Saudi Arabia they live it to the fullest.

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Do they have a law there prohibiting women from being in a car with unrelated males?

Well, this topic is about sharia law and it seems like you all know what you are talking about.

I for one though never read (a translation of) the sharia. Can somebody provide me a link to a Dutch, French or English version, so that I can join the discussion?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Well, this topic is about sharia law and it seems like you all know what you are talking about.

I for one though never read (a translation of) the sharia. Can somebody provide me a link to a Dutch, French or English version, so that I can join the discussion?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

wiki is always a good start

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Do they have a law there prohibiting women from being in a car with unrelated males?

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Some do yep, but broader, in the pressence of an unrelated man. Secular courts act like our administrative courts and sharia courts handle what some would call 'morality', men/woman relations, marriage/heritage issues, etc.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Some do yep, but broader, in the pressence of an unrelated man..

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Of course, you do have something to back that statement up... I'm in particular very curious to see evidence that Musharraf's regime uses sharia, "IIRC" he is supposed to be fighting those trying to establish sharia... Something involving a red mosque and an army storming or something... I have such a bad memory, it seems like I need your help, Fragony.

And no, what tribal leaders in hillbilly hick country does with their village doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Of course, you do have something to back that statement up...

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It's the principle of segregration of the sexes, how it is upheld differs from country to country.

edit, forgot link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_segregation_in_Islam

what has storming the mosk to do with it?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

It's the principle of segregration of the sexes, how it is upheld differs from country to country.

edit, forgot link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_segregation_in_Islam

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I'm sorry Fragony, but that link does very little to dispute the statement that this is a saudi arabian thing. I loved this little qoute:

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When Ruhollah Khomeini called for women to attend public demonstration and ignore the night curfew, millions of women who would otherwise not have dreamt of leaving their homes without their husbands' and fathers' permission or presence, took to the streets. Khomeini's call to rise up against the Shah took away any doubt in the minds of many devoted Muslim women about the propriety of taking to the streets during the day or at night.

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That sure supported your statement, eh? :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

what has storming the mosk to do with it?

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It was Musharraf's crackdown on extremists, those extremists you say rule Pakistan... I do wonder why I keep seeing Musharraf though. And you also included good old gaffy on your list of women-burners, which is, well, rather ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

TheThat sure supported your statement, eh? :laugh4:

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The selective reading award is yours :yes:

edit: Lefties never cease to amaze me. There liberal thinkers in the islamic world who question the humanity of the sharia law, one would expect they would have in ally in the european left, but sadly the european left is so enlightened they never miss a oppertunity to defend an ultra-conservative movement, I find that ironic.

And I said wut? You really need to focus Horetore. Stop putting words in my mouth it's busy enough as it is.

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The selective reading award is yours

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Is that a new definition of selective reading then Frag ? :inquisitive:
Like as in he takes an example of a country you have named , then takes the information about that country from a link that you provided as "evidence" to back up your claim .
Reads it and says according to the "evidence" you posted to support your claim you do appear to be talking bollox .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

What claim?