Considering that French was a court language for many years (lingua franca) :scholar: , perhaps having a mild French accent would do for most diplomatic relations?
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Considering that French was a court language for many years (lingua franca) :scholar: , perhaps having a mild French accent would do for most diplomatic relations?
Actually, the diplomatic language was latin, and since upper class classical latin sounded somewhat like spanish, and the gutter speech of the lowly plebs sounded somewhat like french, that MIGHT not be the right way to go...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorm
On the other hand, which 17 and 18 century diplomat knew how correct classical latin should sound like..?:laugh4:
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Originally Posted by Arngrim
Well here is what I found on Wikipedia:
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French was the language of diplomacy in Europe from the 17th century until its recent replacement by English, and as a result is still a working language of international institutions and is seen on documents ranging from passports to airmail letters. For many years, until the accession of the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Denmark in 1973, French and German were the only official working languages of the European Economic Community. French was also the lingua franca of European literature in the 18th century.
French was also the language used among the educated in many cosmopolitan cities across the Middle East and North Africa. This was true in cities such as Cairo, around the turn of the 20th century until World War II, and especially in the French colonies of the Maghreb. French is particularly important in Algeria and its capital, Algiers. Until the outbreak of the civil war in Lebanon, French was the language that the Christian members of the upper class of Lebanese society used. French is still a lingua franca in most Western and Central African countries (where it often enjoys official status), a remnant of the colonial rule of France and Belgium. These African countries, together with several other countries throughout the world, are members of La Francophonie.
This dosen't sound right, one can't generalize all diplomats to French, I mean, in British colonies, English had to be the language of the state. In India, it was all a turmoil, the Mugal language of state was Urdu, in the South there were at least 10 different languages, and the British and the French spoke neither in the begining.
I am sure that many in a diplomatic surrounding used french informally if all involved understood the langauge, however all(?) formal discussion and written documents were in latin due to its clarity and relatively lack of double meanings. I was also the lingua franca of the clergy, doctors, scientists and other learned professions. Also it was neutral, meaning it belonged to no country, and all. The French were not always that popular, especially in the age of Louis XIV. Using french was like an admission that France was the cultural top dog, and that very few of its neighbors would accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorm
This of course only applied to western nations. I doubt that many Chinese or Indians learned Latin.
I do agree, however, that french was much used in the 19:th and 20;th century.
You forgot that the English court spoke French to begin with :)
Annie
Actually, why can't it be like in Imperial Glory? Why don't they make the languages foreign according to the nation? It makes you feel like you are actually ruling your empire and that there is a sense of reality. I can't stand when I hear Aztecs or Russians talk in English. It ruins the self esteem to play. At least they can input subtitles but please make it foreign languages. Who's with me?
One thing that I suddenly realized, that in Kingdoms, when you kill a American-Indian general, the voice message says, "we've killed the saracen general"....... :P ............way to ridiculous to overlook casually.......
Things like that...:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by asj_india
I assume you mean like in Civilization. I think it worked pretty well; though the game is at risk of becoming less "epic" if you do not understand wat your generals/soldiers are saying. At least if the language is of the sort that you have never even heard spoken before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russia_CCCP
Next thing all you obsessive schedulers will band together in disappointment and call yourselves something like Europa Barbarorum!
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"Lauf!"
Damn I hope that the Brits have a good aristocratic drawl... ::2thumbsup:
Also the Jacobites better have good Teuchter accents when/if the appear. And the Highland regiments in the British army had better also have these accents, I couldn't take hearing my highlanders shout back at me in broad Englihs accents.
Definitely agree, Irish and Welsh also.
I hope they have some unique regiments too. Not just Scots having kilts etc. but If they have Coldstreamers etc. then I will probably never turn the game off lol...
I so need my English foot guards so i can continuously use them to beat the old garde :P
Well CA has stated that regiments become somewhat personalized over time, getting their own unique names, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forlorn Hope
I know that's probably not precisely what you're looking/hoping for, but I admit it's still sort of a neat-sounding feature.
I am so glad to hear that, will add so much of a roleplaying element to the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Maybe when/if R2TW ever comes out, we'll get individual names for legions, based on where they are recruited.
I'm glad they're adding in some form of personalisation, as individual regiments were a major feature in most armies and it would be a shame to leave that out, especially as the unit types will inevitably become less diverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Do you happen to know how they gain names etc and whether the player will be able to personalise them without having to mod(which i suspect would be very difficult for this sort of thing). :/
I hope they remove voices from the campaing map altogether. I absolutely hate them.
I will give you a common example from M2TW:
I have an assassin and want to check his chances to kill other characters in the vicinity. Everytime I click on a new one he has to spout some nonsense. Silent but deadly (fart jokes? really...), who must die master? Sometimes the voice clips go on and on even after I've stopped clicking on things. This got old about 2 years ago.
If you turn all voices off, somewhat important stuff disappears from what is said during a battle, though some of that is also extremely annoying. The tide of battle seems to have turned against us! We must act! Shut. Up. This is a feature that has gotten progressively more annoying and detrimental to my gaming experience since Rome. The only thing that was said during a battle (or at all?) in MTW was that the cowardly enemy general was quitting the field in disgrace.
Thus, I hope the surprise on voices will be: No voices at all (except shouts and cries from the mayhem of battle)!
Please, let dead threads rest in peace. :skull: