Are we really suppose to take global warming cultists seriously?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Why bother with political scientists? He has an 80% succes, nobody can claim that. He is right not to bother with extremists, we have a market for smart people, let's leave the propaganda to screamers and their funders.

By the way, superstorm didn't happen, it was a normal one. Wasn't a superstorm that led to the flood in the fifties, just verything that could go wrong did. Look at a map, when we have a certain wind and a certain stream we are a bottleneck.

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Two questions.
Are normal winter storms common (occuring yearly)?
Is this normal storm counted against his success rate or failure rate?

Against, he was spot on about the tidal waves/storm combo though.

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What's up with his shirt?

Why do lefties mistake traditional attire for an appropriate wardrobe when dealing with non-Westerners? If an Indonesian diplomat goes to a convention in the Netherlands, he doesn't wear clogs. He will wear a suit, like all Asians do - the international business standard, modern.

If this De Boer insists, he himself can wear clogs and Dutch costumes. But the thought would of course never cross his mind.

He is a sorely mistaken leftie. The kind who thinks globalisation is only imperialism revisited, a Western dictate, instead of modernisation, driven by indigenous forces. Wearing traditional Indonesion clothing to a diplomatic summit is a slap in the face of his hosts. It achieves the opposite of what De Boer thinks it does. It doesn't show an appreciation of Asian traditions. It betrays a patronising racist attitude. What a disgrace, this.

The disdain for this buffoon on the face of Ban Ki-moon is almost painful to watch.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...12_468x293.jpg

What's up with his shirt?

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hint

http://419.bittenus.com/WilliamsMuye...%20Mandela.jpg

And yeah he's a disgrace.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

The disdain for this buffoon on the face of Ban Ki-moon is almost painful to watch.

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You know, I barely even noticed it until you pointed it out. I guess his shirt was too loud to notice much anything else in the photo. But yeah, you're right- disdain looks to be putting it mildly. Something to the effect of "Oh no, here goes the drama queen again."

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Something to the effect of "Oh no, here goes the drama queen again."

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I was thinking more like, "Dude, chill, we've got almost everyone fooled on this global warming scam, don't blow it now!!!".:laugh4:

On a somewhat related note.
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I maintain a safe distance to all cultists. :brood:

And I want to hear something new about the climate issue, not the same old junk.
Surprise me, somebody? :coffeenews:

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

I maintain a safe distance to all cultists. :brood:

And I want to hear something new about the climate issue, not the same old junk.
Surprise me, somebody? :coffeenews:

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DevDave is a closet liberal? Would that be surprising enough?

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

DevDave is a closet liberal? Would that be surprising enough?

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Nope. :coffeenews:

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

Surprise me, somebody? :coffeenews:

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Interplanetary comparitive studies? :sweatdrop:

Venus’s climate is strongly driven by the most powerful greenhouse effect found in the Solar System. The greenhouse agents sustaining it are water vapour, carbon dioxide and sulphuric acid aerosols.

https://img528.imageshack.us/img528/...warmingla8.gif

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

I maintain a safe distance to all cultists. :brood:

And I want to hear something new about the climate issue, not the same old junk.
Surprise me, somebody? :coffeenews:

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Global warming? Lobal-schmarming or "You think WE got troubles...". Black hole jets fry neighboring galaxy.*

*Makes for a pretty cool new wallpaper though. :)

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Interplanetary comparitive studies? :sweatdrop:

Venus’s climate is strongly driven by the most powerful greenhouse effect found in the Solar System. The greenhouse agents sustaining it are water vapour, carbon dioxide and sulphuric acid aerosols.

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80% of the sunlight hitting Venus is reflected back into space and does never hit the surface; yet the temperature is 500 C higher on the surface than in the upper atmosphere. Hm....


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Originally Posted by Viking

80% of the sunlight hitting Venus is reflected back into space and does never hit the surface; yet the temperature is 500 C higher on the surface than in the upper atmosphere. Hm....

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Yes. :yes:

Comparative planetology is a fairly recent sciencific discipline, enormously boosted the past decade or so by the huge amount of information send back to earth by all those probing sondes.

Give me an unlimited budget and a few decades, and I'll give you any climate you want on earth. It's not rocket science. Uh, well it is in fact, quite literally so. But it can be done. :yes:

How to heat a planet:

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Adding heat
Mirrors made of thin aluminized PET film could be placed in orbit around Mars to increase the total insolation it receives. This would increase the planet's temperature directly, and also vaporize water and carbon dioxide to increase the planet's greenhouse effect. Directing such reflected sunlight near the polar caps would maximize the effectiveness of this method.

While producing halocarbons on Mars would contribute to adding mass to the atmosphere, their primary function would be to trap incoming solar radiation. Halocarbons (such as CFCs and PFCs) are especially powerful greenhouse gases, and are stable for lengthy periods of time in atmospheres. They could be produced by genetically engineered aerobic bacteria or by mechanical processors scattered across the planet's surface.

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A terraformed Mars:

https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/...tharsisjr3.jpg

Of course, heating a planet this way is not possible on Earth in any way. :uhoh:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...RSS_COMMENTARY

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Year of global cooling

By David Deming
December 19, 2007

Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. Thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. At the supermarket, citrus prices soared. In the wake of the freeze, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asked President Bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. A few months earlier, Mr. Schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the California Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

David Deming is a geophysicist, an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis, and associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma.

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So Mr. Deming looks at some anecdotal evidence and declares 2007 to have been a freezing year...

When I visited Toronto in October it was extremely hot for that time of the year. Evidence for global warming?

Very scientific...

For reference some global temperature measurements

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Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

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The natural variations cannot cause cold temperatures? :laugh4:


Note: these temperatures are caused by the local climate.

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Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation

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Not under any circumstance is it; we are in a heating period. Some "sceptics" says the temperatures does not increase, some say anything but (anything but) human activity is the cause; the heating is real. Will they ever agree on this basic science? :laugh4:

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Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

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Put this information into context if it is to be assumed as reliabled.

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South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. Thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. At the supermarket, citrus prices soared. In the wake of the freeze, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asked President Bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. A few months earlier, Mr. Schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the California Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

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Again the local climate and year-to-year differences. The global warming measured is "only" 0.7 degrees (which much or little depending on the context..), and does not create unsurpassabel troubles for new low-temperature records.

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If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

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These facts does not prove nor disprove anything.

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Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

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This man has just tried to explain the global climate by just pointing out a few issues spread randomly over the globe. ~D

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

So Mr. Deming looks at some anecdotal evidence and declares 2007 to have been a freezing year...

When I visited Toronto in October it was extremely hot for that time of the year. Evidence for global warming?

Very scientific...

For reference some global temperature measurements

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Isn't the threat climate change, rather than just global warming? Whether specific places are warming or cooling, the fact is that communities have developed to suit the environment they are used to. A change in the weather system would mean different environmental conditions, with drastic effects for communities that aren't able to adapt, with spillover effects into their neighbours. Kind of like the refugee problem in Europe after WW2, but on a larger scale, all over the planet.

I can't say that I'm very interested in this debate, nor in global climate/warming, but I just have a question to you anti-cult-people: Exactly what do you think this cult will gain from fooling everyone on earth that there's a global warming going on?

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Originally Posted by Innocentius

I can't say that I'm very interested in this debate, nor in global climate/warming, but I just have a question to you anti-cult-people: Exactly what do you think this cult will gain from fooling everyone on earth that there's a global warming going on?

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Personally I think it are socialist forces who want to break western power.

Yes, I am serious.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Personally I think it are socialist forces who want to break western power.

Yes, I am serious.

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oddly enough i kind of agree; the green movement (IMO) has derived a lot of its support from the socialists and communists who ended up distraught and disillusioned after 1991.

so they need a new ideology to fill that vacuum in their souls........... and low and behold we are once again presented with a revolutionary zeal for supra-national command-economy action plans that will save the world (read: free the proletariat).

oh gee!

Oh yes the global warming is gonna skyrocket socialism. :dizzy2:

Someone better come and save us with Intelligent Design and more proper science. Ah, like in ancient Greece the science should be. This empiric method ruined everything.

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Originally Posted by Innocentius

I can't say that I'm very interested in this debate, nor in global climate/warming, but I just have a question to you anti-cult-people: Exactly what do you think this cult will gain from fooling everyone on earth that there's a global warming going on?

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I'm not convinced about the socialism aspect, but there is BIG money to be made in this.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I'm not convinced about the socialism aspect, but there is BIG money to be made in this.

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Could you please elaborate that somewhat? And do you who believe in this ever contemplate whether your theory is actually even plausible?

And I'm sorry, Furunculu5, there's no universal plan to free the proletariat (far from all socialists and communists can even agree on what the proletariat is, or if it exists at all). I'd be more scared of more "liberal" politicians who use their democratic power to control their people.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

I'm not convinced about the socialism aspect, but there is BIG money to be made in this.

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I honestly don't know how much of a driving force behind the green movement they are, but definitely many socialists/communists/anti-capitalists and so on have embraced the green movement as a means to an end.

You're certainly right that there's a lot of money to be made off of global warming. Al Gore has made millions, and then there's the cap&trade and offset scams too. :yes:

Who's supporting a theory is irrelevant. Al Gore's movie is not the science. If people is making money out of global warming, what does it really matter? :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Innocentius

Exactly what do you think this cult will gain from fooling everyone on earth that there's a global warming going on?

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There is big money to be made for a variety of industries. The cultists fool themselves, mainly. It is a semi-religious movement based on the old concepts of sin, revelation, apocalypse and redemption.

I blame Jezus Christ.