Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
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As part of the protest, Mayor Wardlow was proclaimed Prime Minister of the Republic, which immediately declared war against the U.S. (symbolically breaking a loaf of stale Cuban bread over the head of a man dressed in a naval uniform), quickly surrendered after one minute (to the man in the uniform), and applied for one billion dollars in foreign aid.
So the Lakota would break what? A whiskey bottle? It may be hard to call a cease fire immediately afterward.
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Brenus
“UN resolutions are paper to the wind” The last guy who issued this kind of statement was proved badly wrong… Never underestimated the power of paper and treaties, sometimes they can surprise you…:beam:
but mostly no.
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Vladimir
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As part of the protest, Mayor Wardlow was proclaimed Prime Minister of the Republic, which immediately declared war against the U.S. (symbolically breaking a loaf of stale Cuban bread over the head of a man dressed in a naval uniform), quickly surrendered after one minute (to the man in the uniform), and applied for one billion dollars in foreign aid.
Wasn't that the foreign policy wheeze of The Mouse That Roared?
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
This sounds similar to the controversy over the Treaty of Waitangi and Maori grievances to me. Except that I think they have had it much much worse than Maori to be perfectly honest. I could be quite wrong but if the US had broken treaty agreements over land ownership that would make the treaty meaningless and mean the Lakota have rights you the land they gave to the US under that treaty.
I don't know anything about the background of the situation or anything but if they have reason to cancel the treaties (like the US Government breaking conditions of them anyway) then I say good luck to them. If the US government has just "sweeped this issue under the rug" for the past 150 years then they should at least be forced to make some response to it now. And maybe (if the media doesn't paint the picture as completely silly) there will be something done to compensate.
If, for the last 30 years, the NZ government has owning up to and making amends for 150 years of mistreating Maori and breaking treaty agreements then why can't the US? Is it just too much effort for a country so important to be bothered by indigenous people who should have died out ages ago?
Sorry if I offend any American members, but it frustrates me when things like this happen and people think it's a big joke. Nobody ever seems to think that maybe they resort to these extreme measures because their message isn't being heard. At least this way their case can be brought to light and seen by the country as a whole, because I'm sure most Americans won't know anything about the Lakota or the treaties they signed with the US government.
I don't mean to sound bitter but maybe people could stop laughing and actually think about WHY this is happening.
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Hepcat
Sorry if I offend any American members, but it frustrates me when things like this happen and people think it's a big joke. Nobody ever seems to think that maybe they resort to these extreme measures because their message isn't being heard. At least this way their case can be brought to light and seen by the country as a whole, because I'm sure most Americans won't know anything about the Lakota or the treaties they signed with the US government.
I don't mean to sound bitter but maybe people could stop laughing and actually think about WHY this is happening.
For the record I dont think its a joke. I suspect the quoted paragraph above is probably pretty spot on. The conditions on tribal lands are pretty bad, but one shouldnt assume thats entirely the U.S. governments fault at this stage of the game.
The overbloated monster that is the federal government should at a minimum redistribute its resources to help americans, in U.S. first. Thats really what I view this as, as these people are literally living in some of the worse poverty conditions in North America. We can do better then this, and sadly it takes something silly like a 150 year old treaty to get it into the news.
Im still intrested in the specifics of the treaty and its implications to domestic policy and potential military policy. That said I do get the underlying issue here, story just caught my eye. I do understand your frustration though.
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Whacker
...Thus, the Lakota have decided to "tear up" the old treaties, fine. In my mind that is tantamount to renouncing one's citizenship, and they'd henceforth be deported. have a nice day, thanx 4 playing lole, etc etc.
Deport them to where? Which country would accept them?
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan
Deport them to where? Which country would accept them?
France?
According to recent discoveries they emigrated from France billions of gajillions of years ago, passing through the Inuit territories (where they apparently left their mark) over the ice bridge that existed then.
Even if this "hypothesis" proves to be wrong, let France take them anyway. They've taken anyone who's marched walked across their borders recently anyway. I can just see it "Bon soir monsieur taureau de séance, vous voulez un verre de vin rouge? Non? Vous voulez un pipe de tranquillite? Ne tirez paz! J'abandonne" Before you know it France will be valiantly defending itself against Indian AND African invasions.:skull:
Excuse my poor French. I'm English and we don't speak other languages.
EDIT: How about the U.S. give them an enclave to live in like they are advocating with the Albanian Kossovans? Or maybe it's different when it strikes closer to home?
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
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Expecting to be dealt a crushing defeat (and then rebuild itself through the generous largesse that the United States bestows on its vanquished enemies, as in the Marshall Plan)
That's it! No more money for foreigners!! Nice guys do finish last.
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
“Even if this "hypothesis" proves to be wrong, let France take them anyway. They've taken anyone who's marched walked across their borders recently anyway. I can just see it : "Bon soir monsieur taureau de séance, vous voulez un verre de vin rouge? Non? Vous voulez un pipe de tranquillite? Ne tirez paz! J'abandonne" Before you know it France will be valiantly defending itself against Indian AND African invasions”
? Explain please. The French means absolutely nothing, at least the first sentences. The last ones are either offensive and insulting , either stupid, either coming directly from Sharpe… Well, it could be a combination of both…:inquisitive:
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Odin
For the record I dont think its a joke. I suspect the quoted paragraph above is probably pretty spot on. The conditions on tribal lands are pretty bad, but one shouldnt assume thats entirely the U.S. governments fault at this stage of the game.
The overbloated monster that is the federal government should at a minimum redistribute its resources to help americans, in U.S. first. Thats really what I view this as, as these people are literally living in some of the worse poverty conditions in North America. We can do better then this, and sadly it takes something silly like a 150 year old treaty to get it into the news.
Im still intrested in the specifics of the treaty and its implications to domestic policy and potential military policy. That said I do get the underlying issue here, story just caught my eye. I do understand your frustration though.
You could be right when you say it may not be the US government's fault but they should still be responsible for fixing the situation.
Have there been any more developments?
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Hepcat
Have there been any more developments?
They've updated their website with links to relevant documents, and apparently delivered their portfolio to the State Department.
edit to add: most of the non-web links are still 404, so the site is still 'under construction'.
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Brenus
“Even if this "hypothesis" proves to be wrong, let France take them anyway. They've taken anyone who's marched walked across their borders recently anyway. I can just see it : "Bon soir monsieur taureau de séance, vous voulez un verre de vin rouge? Non? Vous voulez un pipe de tranquillite? Ne tirez paz! J'abandonne" Before you know it France will be valiantly defending itself against Indian AND African invasions”
? Explain please. The French means absolutely nothing, at least the first sentences. The last ones are either offensive and insulting , either stupid, either coming directly from Sharpe… Well, it could be a combination of both…:inquisitive:
OK, I admit it, I googled the "monsieur taureau de seance", but the rest is my limited own work. The rest is acceptable French, I know because I use words like "voulez" (you don't understand the rest?) etc every year when I go each year(for the last 11 years).
So before you tell me what is or is not bad French get off your arse and actually go there and speak to people. I may speak bad French but people understand me. Don't rely on your PC BBC perspective of what is good and bad. When you have made as many friends there as I have there you may have some sort of knowledge that French people have a sense of humour too, we British Homard Rouge don't have a monopoly on it, and my French friends laugh at the British the same way we laugh at them.
You call it offensive without having French friends, I call it offensive in a friendly way and my French friends see it that way. Offensive and insulting? You haven't got a sense of humour? French people are very warm and welcoming (outside of Paris anyway) and I have never had a problem with any of them, can you say you have any experience?
And Sharpe? LOL The French have the same sort of series too [...].
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So before you tell me what is or is not bad French get off your arse and actually go there and speak to people. I may speak bad French but people understand me. Don't rely on your PC BBC perspective of what is good and bad. When you have made as many friends there as I have there you may have some sort of knowledge that French people have a sense of humour too, we British Homard Rouge don't have a monopoly on it, and my French friends laugh at the British the same way we laugh at them.
You call it offensive without having French friends, I call it offensive in a friendly way and my French friends see it that way. Offensive and insulting? You haven't got a sense of humour? French people are very warm and welcoming (outside of Paris anyway) and I have never had a problem with any of them, can you say you have any experience?
That must be the biggest case of :oops: I have seen in quite some time .
Its quite safe to say .....
You made a mistake .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Re: Middle east shmiddle east, we can have a war right here !
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Originally Posted by Slug For A Butt
You call it offensive without having French friends, I call it offensive in a friendly way and my French friends see it that way. Offensive and insulting? You haven't got a sense of humour? French people are very warm and welcoming (outside of Paris anyway) and I have never had a problem with any of them, can you say you have any experience?
Brenus is French, Slug For a Butt. One should take care when making assumptions in the Backroom.
He was simply asking for an explanation. The meaning of your "Franglais" was unclear.
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