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I was referring not to the Beverly Hills Cop series, but to the movie 48 Hours, which was Murphy's big screen debut, and is the quintessential "white cop with funny black partner" movie. It was the movie that really kicked off Murphy's career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Anyway, I was not necessarily agreeing with the OP's premise for the thread. I was just pointing out that those specific actors were not very good examples for arguing against the stereotype role idea.
Well, you're probably right. Problem is, I just don't pick up on that stuff anymore. Many of the people I work with are black and I just stopped caring about it after a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
I come from a place where there was only one black kid in my school, so I didn't know what to think about the whole thing. But the truth of the matter is that in my (albeit short) experiences working in a mixed race environment, it's all "much ado about nothing."
In short, the whole problem of race is entirely in everyone's head. It's a social problem and quite frankly, if everyone would just shut up about it, it would be gone in a generation.
I never will understand why we judge people based on the color of their skin. Even dogs don't do that (to each other). It's learned behavior and it's bad behavior. The fact is you can TEACH a dog to be racist. That's pretty scary.
I've known a few dogs in my lifetime who were clearly alarmed and/or agitated by the presence of black people despite never having been conditioned to do so... much to the surprise of their owners. This might have something to do with their being surrounded by European and East Asian ethnic groups throughout most of their lives. However one of those dogs didn't bat an eye when in the presence of similarly dark ethnic groups such as Indians, Phillipinos & Egyptians. Obvious physical differences aside these canines might also be picking up on subtle differences humans cannot detect; smell, pheromones, body language, etc. When you're dealing with a species whose sense of smell and hearing is far superior to that of primates there are other criteria to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rameusb5
It's the smell. Dogs don't "see" a black or white person, they know the different smells.
Source, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
A source for the fact that dogs judge the world through their nose. Are you serious? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
A source citing that dogs distinguish and differentuate between the smells of africans and europeans - or that africans and europeans smell differently to dogs.
As with the other post, details are important:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
We're all from Africa. I would imagine that an African would smell MUCH different than a European, even a Frenchman (sorry :hide:).
Things to consider: Culture (as stated in another thread = diet), genetics (body chemistry, do you think hair color is the only difference?), body language, speech and a whole slew of other factors to include their owner's subtle reactions.
You want more info, watch the Dog Whisperer. Spino has it nailed down pretty well. If dogs differentiate individuals by smell, they surely do it to racial and cultural groups.
Then there's the anecdotal reference about some black people who have some gland or tissue in their abdomen which emits a smell. Confirmed with the strange habit of some people placing deodorant on their bellies.
Oh well, I imagine the original topic is pretty much played out anyway.
For what it's worth, I once owned a female Rottweiler who freaked out around Italian-American men. Not women. Not hispanics. Nobody else. She could identify Italian men, and she just didn't like 'em. I imagine smell had something to do with it, and beyond that I was never able to explain much of anything.
I guess that differences in diet are enough to allow a dog to tell ethnic groups apart, as well as any minor differences in hormonal balance and/or sweat glands. Some days I'm very, very glad that I can't smell that well.
Did they eat a lot of garlic perhaps? Authentic Italian food? Even I can smell when somebody ate (a lot) of garlic the day before. Without them breathing. Other very spicy dishes make you smell differently too, noticable for human noses. Lord knows what it must be like for a dog...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Actually, if I have to believe some studies that I've seen floating around over the years, humans go a long way. Newer studies suggest that humans can, for example, smell women ovulating, though you won't be aware that you do.Quote:
I guess that differences in diet are enough to allow a dog to tell ethnic groups apart, as well as any minor differences in hormonal balance and/or sweat glands. Some days I'm very, very glad that I can't smell that well.
Olfaction has a profound subconscious effect. Take the following important work of science for example. ~;)
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Being exposed to the smell of a sweaty male armpit can make a woman feel calmer, according to a new study by a U.S. research team.
:coffeenews: Most people are calmer after sweaty sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat