Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

Vote: Proletariat

Well, call it a feeling, or don't, or maybe do, but perhaps it's better not to, then again maybe you should...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

One would expect 2-3.

I think it is best to reveal that I was blocked by the prostitute last night. This looks bad for me given the low number of kills by I think it is better than having the prostitute claim.

In my defence I should mention that given the fact that the mafia appear innocent if they don't kill it seems to me that someone (or two) was worried about being investigated night one.

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Please explain this a bit more. At first blush, you appear to be saying that you gave night orders and were blocked. If you want your statements to be read in a different way, you should say so now.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Why not a vote?

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Because Sasaki could just be an innocent man who sleeps with prostitutes. Thats not a crime is it?

There are other possible reasons for there only being one kill last night. It could have nothing to do with Sasaki at all. It is suspicious though but I want more to go on.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Please explain this a bit more. At first blush, you appear to be saying that you gave night orders and were blocked. If you want your statements to be read in a different way, you should say so now.

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You don't have to have given night orders to have been blocked.

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Originally Posted by Andres

You were watching television that night, feeling a bit bored.

The smell of perfume caught your attention.

A voice, the sound of an angel, said to you: "Shall I make your night a bit more interesting?"

Angelica came near. She was H-O-T.

You didn't mind getting forced to wear a borst prothesis, getting tied up and hit with a wooden bar.

Angelica was amazed by your stamina.

You had a very pleasant night.

Andres.

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Having read it more carefully (I skipped to the hot stuff the first time :sweatdrop: ) it actually states that I was not doing anything.

Can someone with experience in Andres' games confirm that he sends night results PMs to people who were role blocked, even if they were incapable of performing night actions in the first place? My understanding of these games is that usually such a situation results in no result PM for the target, but I have also never been in a game Andres has hosted.

Ok, I'll amend my previous statement...

"Because Sasaki could just be an innocent man who likes to be beaten by prostitutes."

:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Can someone with experience in Andres' games confirm that he sends night results PMs to people who were role blocked, even if they were incapable of performing night actions in the first place? My understanding of these games is that usually such a situation results in no result PM for the target, but I have also never been in a game Andres has hosted.

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Now TinCow, if I'd made it up I'd be lynched tomorrow when no one received a message.

I don't like this.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Now TinCow, if I'd made it up I'd be lynched tomorrow when no one received a message.

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I haven't busted out a FoS on you, I'm simply trying to get more information. What exactly did you expect to happen when you come out with the first evidence of any kind?

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Vote: Strawberry

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:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I haven't busted out a FoS on you, I'm simply trying to get more information. What exactly did you expect to happen when you come out with the first evidence of any kind?

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I'm not a fan of they way you are approaching it. You imply without stating, first that I said I tried to perform a night action, and then that I had forged a pm. You don't claim that either is true but you know perfectly well that it's not necessary. Your post is absent of your own opinion, townies should post their opinion. It is easy for mafia to hide behind logical "information gathering" without exposing themself. As for my own opinion on your innocence, you've caught my attention but I'm mostly trying to start up discussion.

My opinion is that you are perfectly innocent and telling the truth. That doesn't change the fact that I would like to see this substantiated by the exceedingly simple method that I requested.

Vote: Andres


A lot of reading in these games...hope I don't get addicted or my social life will really suffer.

Hrm. An unusually interesting first round. I don't understand the point of blocking actions that don't happen. In basketball you can't block a shot when no one shoots, so it'll be interesting to see what the point of this game mechanic is. Or if Sasaki just made it up for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Hrm. An unusually interesting first round. I don't understand the point of blocking actions that don't happen. In basketball you can't block a shot when no one shoots, so it'll be interesting to see what the point of this game mechanic is. Or if Sasaki just made it up for some reason.

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On the first turn, the player who is the prostitute wouldn't know who to block and would have to guess.

Your a veteran and should know better...

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Originally Posted by TinCow

My opinion is that you are perfectly innocent and telling the truth. That doesn't change the fact that I would like to see this substantiated by the exceedingly simple method that I requested.

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If you think someone is "perfectly" innocent, then you wouldn't need evidence.


Both of you are getting an official Raised EyeBrow from me.

A REB is simply a sign that I am keeping a watchful eye on you.

And for those at home keeping score, Sasaki has a REB from me as well for things already mentioned.

Vote: Sarathos

I luv u:beam:

Vote: PK
Whats wrong with voting? Its round one.

Methinks you are scared you will be found out as mafia.

edit: bolded vote

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Whats wrong with voting? Its round one.

Methinks you are scared you will be found out as mafia.

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Nothing is wrong with voting if you think you have the right person.

You however have the wrong person.

Good luck with that...

:laugh4:

Its round one, ergo, random votes.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

If you think someone is "perfectly" innocent, then you wouldn't need evidence.

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No. Precision is important here. He said he would "like to see evidence" not "need". You can think someone is "perfectly innocent", heck you can even believe they are, but since you know you are not infallible it is common sense to want evidence. I didn't think the evidence was necessary as I explained.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Its round one, ergo, random votes.

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I'm still getting the hang of this whole random vote thing. What should I do? Put everyone's name on a wheel and spin it? :clown:

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If you can't take the mountain out of the jungle, the jungle must go to the mountain.

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Hilarious!

And on that note,
vote: GeneralHankerchief

I've seen your whilings and connivings and I won't stand for you to ruin this recently catastrophically devastated town.

CR

random vote
Vote:Beefy187

I really can't do this random voting thing... ill have to go for Vote Sasaki

Vote:Shlin

Whose target are you going to accept? Just randomly bandwagon? You must have an opinion, care to share?

Seems to be a fair bit of discussion for day1!

Tincow, ever heard of nicknames? Curio will do! :no:

Vote: Sarathos


Please spare my Carebear,Grumpy Bear!!:clown: :sweatdrop:

Vote:Warman

Welcome to mafia!

Wait. 180+ posts, and only one by Glenn, who is usually in the thick of it by now?

vote: Glenn
just for being so out of character. Speak up Lad, and I'll pull that vote.

Who would target Seamus so early? Why? Someone with an axe to grind from the last big Mafia game? Not happy here with his quick demise.:no:

Vote: Tratorix

My vote chosen using random.org. :laugh4:

Vote: pevergreen

Throwing a vote on a new player because he's trying to be active? Shame. :no:

Ha ha ha! You must understand Kukri!

Actually - I was quite enjoying simply browsing through the thread and attempting to see patterns in speech and ideas.

Now that I have been asked to stand out in the open, I shall remain, and I will also share a thought.

I was cowed in Capo II by the malevolence of Sasaki - who appeared to be dogging anyone he could shed bad light upon.
This seems to be a popular tactic of his, and often leads to the lynching of townies - unfortunately - even when Sasaki is pro-town.

In every game I play, spectating or participating, the first thing I do is try to determine whether Sasaki is guilty or innocent. That may be a compliment to him.

And so far in this - Sasaki is the only player whom I would even guess as an innocent.

This is because I see he had a fair opportunity to pick at Privateer Kev, a new player, who although he reasoned fairly against Sasaki - when I did so in Capo II - it made no difference.
However, instead of tearing him to the ground in any way possible, Sasaki allowed things to slide.
He appears more temperate and less wilfully destructive this game - and I think now I am more inclined to believe his word provided he gives reason also.

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I am suspicious so far of one thing. Tiberius of the Drake and his random vote.
I think we need to start adding a tally here, so that players can't jump on bandwagons in total anonymity.

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As for Seamus - I don't see it as totally strange that someone with over 4000, and just as many PMs of Mafioso experience would be taken out immediately.
I would guess him to be an exceptional hunter after Capo II!

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And finally, my vote is reserved until I see someone worthy of lynching suspicion.

Let's just hope Sasaki doesn't twist my words.. He has a gift not unlike those people who find satanic messages in Beatle songs..



(Edited to make more sense.)

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

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Originally Posted by BananaBob

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

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I am in awe of your well prepared and presented reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

...attempting to see patterns in speech and ideas...

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Zealous much???? :dizzy2:

Though I'm probably just inexperianced and naive by comparision... :embarassed:

Unvote: Strawberry
Vote: Woad&Fangs
I don't like what you've done so far. You make a post earlier noting Shlin's odd remark, but don't vote. Since then, you've been online, yet you apparently don't seem to find anything very interesting, since you are deciding to lurk. Got anything to say?

Whoops, just reread thread a bit more. I need some sleep.:sweatdrop:
Unvote: Woad&Fangs
Vote: Strawberry

Insane Tally:

Sarathos- 2(Beefy187, Warman)
Proletariat- 2(Sasaki, Husar)
Shlin28- 2(Woad&Fangs, GaiusCurio)
GeneralHankerchief- 2(CR, Banana Bob)
00Jebus- 1(GH)
Gaius Sribonius Curio- 1(TinCow)
Andres- 1(Mithrandir)
PrivateerKev- 1(Pevergreen)
Beefy187- 1(Tiberius)
Sasaki- 1(LittleGriz')
Warman- 1(Caius)
Glenn- 1(Kukri)
Tratorix- 1(Rythmic)
Pevergreen- 1(Tratorix)
Ichigo- 1('Khaan)
Abstain- 2(The Stranger, Shlin28)

Since not voting will get me in more trouble than random voting, and random voting will get me in more trouble than targeted voting, I will vote for someone.

Vote: Proletariat

I never liked her implying that someone can only place a block if the target is doing something. She is a veteran and should know better. If I hear a satisfactory answer, or see someone acting more guilty, then I will re-consider my vote.

I was working on a vote tally when khaan put his up and I don't want my work to go to waste, so here is mine. Two things though. 1.) Andres is not playing and the vote towards him doesn't count. 2.) I was confused by the whole strawberry thing. Please use people's screen names for the sake of us noobs. :beam:

Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, Privateerkev)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, BananaBob)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy187, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
00jebus: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Privateerkev: 1 (pevergreen)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
Glenn: 1 (KukriKhan)
Tratorix: 1 (Rythmic)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)

Abstain: 2 (The Stranger, shlin28)

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I was working on a vote tally when khaan put his up and I don't want my work to go to waste, so here is mine. Two things though. 1.) Andres is not playing and the vote towards him doesn't count. 2.) I was confused by the whole strawberry thing. Please use people's screen names for the sake of us noobs. :beam:

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Right, like I said, I probably am in need of some sleep right now. And for the "noobs", Strawberry=Ichigo, at least so goes the pun from the show. Hence, I tend to use it in an opening spam vote against Ichigo sometimes. However, I'll keep my vote on him for the time being, because I'm very curious as to his quietness. He didn't even open the game with his customary "vote:sasaki" like he always does. Hence, I'm rather curious as to what he's up to.

I think that Strawberry is meaningless, ie: it doesn't exist/is noone.

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Originally Posted by PrivateerKev

Since not voting will get me in more trouble than random voting, and random voting will get me in more trouble than targeted voting, I will vote for someone.

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Fantastic reasoning.

Edit: Thanks for the clarification Khann

Rereading the thread again.. Although there really isn't a great deal of information, I admit.

And I would also like to retract my suspicions of Tiberius, I thought two others had already voted for Beefy further back - I was wrong - and his small participation can give me no reason for suspicion.

Oh, and Gaius - I am not as zealous as some - see Kommodus or Ajaxfetish for reference!
But I do find it very, very telling to going into a player's profile and reveal all previous posts in one column.

Although nobody listened to me, I discovered about three Mafiosos in Capo, including Joe Monks, (If I remember the name correctly), using that simple method.

Anyway - I will return later - and no, no vote as of yet, but that is reasonable I think.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Vote: Proletariat

I never liked her implying that someone can only place a block if the target is doing something. She is a veteran and should know better.

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That's not what she was implying at all. She was referring to what I understand to be normal policy in these games: if a role blocker blocks someone who wasn't doing anything in the first place, the target isn't usually informed of the fact that they were blocked. It's perfectly acceptable for Andres to do it, it does seems out of the ordinary so it draws some attention. In any case, even if saying that was somehow suspicious, I'm the one who brought it up first.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

That's not what she was implying at all. She was referring to what I understand to be normal policy in these games: if a role blocker blocks someone who wasn't doing anything in the first place, the target isn't usually informed of the fact that they were blocked. It's perfectly acceptable for Andres to do it, it does seems out of the ordinary so it draws some attention. In any case, even if saying that was somehow suspicious, I'm the one who brought it up first.

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I respectfully disagree...

Here is her post:

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Hrm. An unusually interesting first round. I don't understand the point of blocking actions that don't happen. In basketball you can't block a shot when no one shoots, so it'll be interesting to see what the point of this game mechanic is. Or if Sasaki just made it up for some reason.

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She wasn't talking about the fact Sasaki got a notice. She was implying he actually had an action blocked. And that he might have lied.

Thus, my vote for now.

<<Seamus groggily opens his eyes, peering at unfamiliar surroundings.>>

:inquisitive:

<<...I don't recall the brimstone aroma from the eruption being that strong, and why is everything backlit by flames, though Seamus.>>

"Welcome!"

<<Seamus stares at the red-skinned, military fork-wielding figure.>>

"I thought we'd lost you, but then Peter noted your Hawaiian shirt and copy of "Sicily for Dummies" so I picked up another one," said the chap with the naturally devilish grin.

<<Seamus stared, a look of sick horror coming over his face.>>

"Now, if you'd been an AI coder for Creative Assembly, I'd have had you down in advance, but I'm sure we'll think of someplace cozy...."






Privateer:

The reason for the votes is simple -- people don't realy put a lot of effort into their responses until they think they're likely to get the chop. THEN you get details, passion, statements etc.

Early on this means little, as their is no means of cross checking against subsequent posting claims, votes, etc. But unless you ramp up the pressure and force discussion, Mafiosi get to make nice little unexplained "abstain" votes while sharpening their stilettos for the next night.

You gotta make 'em sweat a bit.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Vote: Proletariat

I never liked her implying that someone can only place a block if the target is doing something. She is a veteran and should know better.

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I didn't imply that, I said that. It was a comment about the game rules, don't read too much into it. I get some veteran status because I've played alot, not because I'm a brilliant analyzer or liar. Post your role PM, Priva. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

I didn't imply that, I said that. I get some veteran status because I've played alot, not because I'm a brilliant analyzer or liar. Post your role PM, Priva. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. :beam:

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I'm just a simple townie. The townie role PM is public knowledge.

your turn...

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Privateer:

The reason for the votes is simple -- people don't realy put a lot of effort into their responses until they think they're likely to get the chop. THEN you get details, passion, statements etc.

Early on this means little, as their is no means of cross checking against subsequent posting claims, votes, etc. But unless you ramp up the pressure and force discussion, Mafiosi get to make nice little unexplained "abstain" votes while sharpening their stilettos for the next night.

You gotta make 'em sweat a bit.

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I am seeing more and more how that is important. I'm getting the hang of this... slowly...

:2thumbsup:

Unvote: PK, Vote:Tratorix AKA BSR

OMGUS.

You know, I thought it was a wild accusation - but Pevergreen in total truth does not contribute anything of intellectual note to these games.
He simply tries to kill off his school buddies from Brisbane, and other people whom he has a grudge against since previous games.

Kev, I don't see anything substantial with this material you are hanging on Proletariat - although I think you are doing it in imitation of Sasaki's interrogation technique!

Very well done so far however!


By the way, GeneralHankerchief, what meant you - when you said you didn't like this?
In that there is not enough speech and reasoning? Too much spam?

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Kev, I don't see anything substantial with this material you are hanging on Proletariat - although I think you are doing it in imitation of Sasaki's interrogation technique!

Very well done so far however!

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Thank you. It helps to watch good players...


As for my material, I admit it's light but it is all I have at the moment. I am open to changing my vote if new information comes up.

And I feel I have given far more thought to my vote than some people have given to theirs.

Vote: Mithrandir

to help him with his social life - and because he keeps trying to kill the host :beadyeyes2:

EDIT for tally:
Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, Privateerkev)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, BananaBob)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy187, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
00jebus: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
Glenn: 1 (KukriKhan)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pevergreen)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)

Abstain: 2 (The Stranger, shlin28)
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unvote: Andres

Vote:Makanyane

Not the host, a camel-hater... any camelhater. But I'll change my vote to please you Makanyane.

but, but, but I love camels! :sad2:


(aren't you meant to fabricate some logical sounding reason for voting me?)

It seems like an explanation about game mechanics is required:

Everybody who sleeps with the prostitute will get a pm, it doesn't matter if that person was going to perform a night action or not. The prostitute also gets a pm with the results of the night actions.

In fact, the pm to the player concerned and the mentioning of strange sounds in the public thread, is just me having some fun :jester:

Some interesting developments, a host who sends useless PMs around, Sasaki makes a claim that may not be a lie, prole gets the axe for acting too suspicious after getting two votes in round one, that was a bit too much for the mafia girl, eh? My feeling spoke again and said your accusations of Sasaki were meant to get him lynched instead of yourself, might be wrong but it's more than I usually have in round one so my vote stays. The PM exchange thing was also quite ridiculous which underlines my suspicion.

damn this game goes fast...

I guess I should make an appearance to show my support for Andres’ game. 8 pages of posts take out a chunk of office time, but hey, this is mafia.
The post I found most interesting is this one:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

https://img517.imageshack.us/img517/...tlekow4if4.jpg

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Nice Sasaki… It brought a smile to my face on a rather hectic morning.

I think someone mentioned the interesting tidbit of only having one kill where three were expected, that someone (tried to) block(ed) Sasaki.

This tells me that we could be dealing with players expecting to be investigated on the first night. Now, if we could imagine ourselves as detectives, who would we investigate first? It would be the players we think would be hard to detect by other means.
My short list would be (in no particular order):

Sasaki
TinCow
GH
CR
Khaan
W&F
Omanes
Pever
The stranger
Rytmic

Also who would block Sasaki on the first night? It would be those familiar with the game, ergo: who would not?

I should vote one of those I listed to show that I believe my own reasoning, but I think I will go a little crazy and vote: Husar.. just to see how much trouble I will get.:beam:

First of all, I've said it numerous times. its "pever". No capital.

I dont call you gLeNN do I? etc etc

Now about you glen:

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Originally Posted by Glenn

You know, I thought it was a wild accusation - but Pevergreen in total truth does not contribute anything of intellectual note to these games.
He simply tries to kill off his school buddies from Brisbane, and other people whom he has a grudge against since previous

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I dont hold grudges, I've been mafia twice in big games (excluding Capo 1).

In both I killed none of my school friends (from memory, dont hold me to that)

Holding grudges, IMO, is against the spirit of the game.

As for non-intellectual posts, at this point in the game, I have no amazing ability to pick out mafia, I'm not a good mafia hunter. Throughout the game, I sometimes get hints. I dont believe I've ever lead the town to a mafia member.

This is about as long as my posts go. I manage to say everything I want in a short amount of text.

That'll do.

That was a very begrudging reply, Pevergreen.

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Sigurd, you bring an obvious and choice method of arousing discussion to the thread.
Who must be investigated and discovered as a priority - and I must say that I agree quite heartily with your list - apart from of course wishing that I were first, that my innocence may be proved.

As for the prostitute block.. I understood Andres as having sent a PM to Sasaki about the prostitute as a joke - therefore we can't know for sure whether Sasaki was actually blocked - or if the prostitute actually blocked anyone.

Please clarify this Andres before anybody takes it as evidence.

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As for why there was only one kill, the most apparent reason to me is pure inactivity - considering there is only a strict number who are posting here currently.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

As for the prostitute block.. I understood Andres as having sent a PM to Sasaki about the prostitute as a joke - therefore we can't know for sure whether Sasaki was actually blocked - or if the prostitute actually blocked anyone.

Please clarify this Andres before anybody takes it as evidence.

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Not as a joke actually. Like I said, anybody who gets visited by the prostitute, will get a pm. It doesn't matter if that player was going to perform a night action or not.

The reason? Just for fun. I wonder what ultimate fantasy I will make up for you, Glenn ~:joker:

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Throughout the game, I sometimes get hints. I dont believe I've ever lead the town to a mafia member.

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except of course when you were the mafia.... but I'm trying my best not to go into revenge voting :devilish:


Glenn you seem to be waffling for the sake of it, the bit about the prostitute seemed quite clear from Andres first reply about it.

Well then I'll just shut my godforsaken mouth until someone suspects me for not waffling enough.

sigurd... why me? why always me!?! you bullies... I SHALL NEVER PLAY THESE GAMES AGAIN... you just can't stand me being superior can you... bleugh...

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

sigurd... why me? why always me!?! you bullies... I SHALL NEVER PLAY THESE GAMES AGAIN... you just can't stand me being superior can you... bleugh...

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What??
Are you afraid of being investigated? Do you have something to hide?
:smash:
Just so nobody misunderstands. What I meant, but clearly could not express sufficiently in the English known to me was; if I were in charge of investigations I would have investigated those people on the list I put in my previous post. I also believe that the people on my list would expect to be investigated early if not in the first round, including me.

Sasaki
TinCow
GH
CR
Khaan
W&F
Omanes
Pever
The stranger
Rytmic

Is this list based on experience at playing mafia only ? or something more ?

I have an inherent distrust of sasaki probably just from the only mafia game i have played.

So if we were expecting 3 kills and only 1 happened at least 1 'mafia' didn't hand any orders in (one character can kill or investigate) so should we be looking suspicously at inactivity ?

I'm a man of my word; Glenn spoke up, so:

unvote: Glenn for now, and I'll join CR's bandwagon:

vote: GeneralHankerchief

Hmm... 37 players, 20 lynch voters. Quiet folks had best speak up and take a voting stand soon, lest they be suspects tomorrow.

Why is everyone voting for GH?

Just because. Some people are pretending this first round of votes is more significant than it is. But it's the same crap shoot all first rounds are

this is based on no in game evidence, I just think he may want more time to iron out the rules to KotR's sucessor...

Vote:TinCow

also, he's on sigurds list, which I have to trust for now....

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Originally Posted by Caius

Vote:Warman

Welcome to mafia!

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Ah Thank you, thanks for the lynch vote against me! :clown: :wall:

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Just because. Some people are pretending this first round of votes is more significant than it is. But it's the same crap shoot all first rounds are

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I'm still waiting for you to keep up your end of the role reveal. For you to not keep up your end tells me you were just trying to steamroll a newbie. Such activity is quite scummy.

I am now quite pleased with my vote...

I'm a townie and you said that role pm is public knowledge. Why should I bother posting it?

I haven't seen where it's been posted anyway, so I'm not even sure what you meant by public knowledge.

This post has been made groundless by the above post. Later I will comment.

(It was regarding Proletariat and her role.)

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

I'm a townie and you said that role pm is public knowledge. Why should I bother posting it?

I haven't seen where it's been posted anyway, so I'm not even sure what you meant by public knowledge.

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Yes but you did not answer me until I challenged you. I regard such behavior as scummy and suspicious. You challenged me, I answered it, and then you made a post without acknowledging your end of the deal.

What are you hiding?

As for the pm, it is posted in Andres's night 0 post a few pages back. Since I suspect you were not PM'd the townie role, I can go and cut-an-paste it here for your convenience if you wish.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

I'm a townie and you said that role pm is public knowledge. Why should I bother posting it?

I haven't seen where it's been posted anyway, so I'm not even sure what you meant by public knowledge.

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You're suspiciously active & helpful Kukri...found a new hobby or .... hmmm.

i just don't understand why I'm always considered suspicious... sasaki or ichigo on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Yes but you did not answer me until I challenged you. I regard such behavior as scummy and suspicious. You challenged me, I answered it, and then you made a post without acknowledging your end of the deal.

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Challenged me? You said posting the role pm was pointless since it was public knowledge. I didn't bother posting it then, and you think that's scummy?

Wow, that was a lot of pages to read for being 1 day offline! I will make my first round contribution:

Vote: Abstain

Alright.. First Seamus has been killed.

Now it is time to look at who is going to die next.
Nobody is paying attention to the vote.

Now before GeneralHankerchief is killed off by a few shameless bandwagoning suspects - let's ask ourselves why he deserves death.

If GeneralHankerchief dies, and he was a pro-townie or a townie, then the Mafia will have succeeded in killing possibly the two most experienced, knowledgeable players in the first round.

That will mean a large step towards defeat, Taormina!

So now I have reason to cast a vote - in order to save the life of an excellent player before he is bandwagoned suspiciously from the game.

Vote: CrazedRabbit

Like most criminals, you have avoided the limelight briskly and successfully started a bandwagon with Kukrikhan why, taking into account my reasons for GeneralHankerchief's usefulness, would you want him dead as a random vote?

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Now before GeneralHankerchief is killed off by a few shameless bandwagoning suspects - let's ask ourselves why he deserves death.

If GeneralHankerchief dies, and he was a pro-townie or a townie, then the Mafia will have succeeded in killing possibly the two most experienced, knowledgeable players in the first round.

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I too can not figure out why GH has gotten votes. No one's explanation has satisfied me.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Challenged me? You said posting the role pm was pointless since it was public knowledge. I didn't bother posting it then, and you think that's scummy?

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But you also didn't even reveal your role. You publicly made a deal and then refused to hold up your end until I challenged you.

If your a townie, I'm sure you have no problem asking for yourself to be investigated. To be fair, I will ask to be investigated as well as long as the detective does 2 things.

1.) I want the detective to pick a random turn to investigate us. There is suspicion that mafia are laying low so they turn up innocent. So, if he picks a random turn, that minimizes that possibility.

2.) I do not want the detective to publicly reveal if we turn up innocent. He can not reveal himself so early in the game. I don't know about you but I am happy to be lynched if it protects the detective. If one of us comes up guilty, I am sure the detective will use his best judgement on whether to reveal or not.

So Proletariat, I have laid my cards out for all to see. Will you do the same?

Sure. I'm a townie. Investigate away, detective.