Actually, if you look at my comment at bitterness it seems I was entirely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Vote:louis
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Actually, if you look at my comment at bitterness it seems I was entirely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Vote:louis
catch 22 situation, if I voted sigurd, you would say I was bandwaggoning, since I didn't, you say I deliberatly put him in equal first.
all I can say is, no dark side here, no sir-y, not even a hint of grey... fully open to being investigated to prove this.
Until then, lynch someone more sith-like...I've devised a little test..
....peace is a lie, there is only ?
The write-up said there were two cloaked figures AND PK. So barring bluff, secret Dark Side roles or what not, we can assume PK is telling the truth. That means Andres and Mithrandir are town. So this leaves:
Alive:
Shlin
Sarathos
00jebus
Sasaki
Louis IV the fat
makaikhaan
Dead:
FH
W&F
Sigurd
Presumed town:
PK
Andres
Mithrandir
One is Obi-Wan, presumably on the list 'alive'. He is known only to PK. We can know his identity by checking who PK does not vote for, or whom he will try, or have tried, to save from a possible lynch. Some possible bluffing to protect Obi's identity aside, of course.
One is Anakin. Unless Ani was being protected by the Jedi's, more innocents should be known to the Jedi's. Would it be clever to share information?
Sigurd is confirmed Sith, so for now our best bet might be to examine the voting record. It is best analysed by reading the thread, so one can check for timing and order of votes as well.
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Round 1:
W&F: 2 (shlin28, Sasaki)
Andres: 1 (Mithrandir, unvoted to vote:Sasaki)
Privateerkev: 1 (W&F)
Sasaki: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Sarathos: 1 (makaikhaan)
00Jebus: 1 (Privateerkev)
Mithrandir: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 1 (Sarathos)
Late: Louis
Sigurd voted Sasaki. Nerves of steel? Or does it exonerate Sasaki?
PK voted 00Jebus. Again, unless there were nerves of steel involved, it means 00Jebus is not Obi-Wan.
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Round 2 (hmm, maybe I'll copy/paste the voting record):
Andres - Vote : Sigurd
Mith - vote:Sasaki
Sarathos - Vote:Makaikhaan
Sigurd - vote: Louis IV the Fett
Mith - unvote: Sasaki, Vote: Sigurd
00Jebus - vote:Makaikhaan
Privateerkev - vote: Sigurd
Shlin28 - Vote 00jebus
This next vote, post #114, I'll quote:
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Makaikhaan - Vote: Sarathos
Louis - Vote: Mithrandir
Sasaki - unvote,vote:sigurd
Hmm, there was a tie between Sigurd and Louis, two votes on each. All the way to the very end. Then, Louis did not try to save either or both by putting a vote on somebody else to draw them level on two votes with Sigurd and Louis. Which leads me to suspect Louis is just an innocent without knowledge of Sigurd's Sith status, and certainly not afraid of taking one for the team.
More importantly: Sigurd voted Louis and never did take his vote or accusations away from Louis even when it looked like Louis would be lynched. :yes: :beam:
Sasaki's votes are peculiar. His first vote sounds like an attempt to bandwagon Louis, and to protect Sigurd both in number of votes and in reason. Then, shortly before the deadline, when the votes are still tied, he changes his vote to Sigurd. Ultimate bluff? Sacrificing one to spare himself as remaining Sith lord? Or not? With the vote level at 2-2, chances were 50/50 Sigurd would stay alive. In typical Sasaki style, it is both extremely scummy and innocent. :wall:
So my vote will go to 00Jebus. His vote on Makaikhaan could've been an attempt to save Sigurd last round.
Vote: 00Jebus
BTW, what happened on N3? Surely, the remaining Sith lord must have ome power left? Simply sitting out this game makes no sense. Could he have tried to turn somebody to the dark side? Or can a single Sith lord maybe kill every other night or something?
Trying to "out" a secret pro-town role is very very scummy Louis.
:no:
Vote:Sasaki
FoS:Shlin,Sarathos,00jebus,Louis IV the fat,makaikhaan
vote: 00jebus.
For voting for me even after I'd explained my reasoning last round. Trying to make tie for your Lord, were you?
Gah! You're the one running around announcing Obi-Wan's existence to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Besides, you mitichloridian-endowed have a tendency to switch sides. I, for one, am not convinced all roles are set in stone in this game.
*keeps a close eye on them wizard folk*
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00Jebus and Sasaki sound the most scummy. 00Jebus for levelling Makaikhaan on points with Sigurd. And Sasaki for swithching his vote to Sigurd after it was clear Sigurd would be lynched anyway.
Andres - Vote : Sigurd 1
Mith - vote:Sasaki 1
Sarathos - Vote:Makaikhaan 1
Sigurd - vote: Louis IV the Fett 1
Mith - unvote: Sasaki, Vote: Sigurd 2
00Jebus - vote:Makaikhaan 2
Privateerkev - vote: Sigurd 3
Shlin28 - Vote 00jebus 1
Sasaki - Vote:louis 2
Makaikhaan - Vote: Sarathos 1
Louis - Vote: Mithrandir 1
Sasaki - unvote,vote:sigurd 4
vote: louis VI the fat for calling my 50/50 choice scummy.
tally;
jebus: 2 (makaikhaan, louis)
sasaki: 2 (Mithrandir, andres)
Louis: 3 (jebus, sasaki, Privateerkev)
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the fat
inconsistency :whip:
I only did that because I revealed my role PM. That and I wanted to assure Anakin that we are looking for him and to sit tight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
But publicly trying to discern his identity is something else. Do you want to make him a target for the Sith? :inquisitive:
tally:
Louis: 3 (jebus, sasaki, Privateerkev)
jebus: 2 (makaikhaan, louis)
sasaki: 2 (Mithrandir, andres)
I'm so confused...
Ah what the hell, Vote:jebus, might as well stick with my instinct from the last round.
Why do you want to check for the identity of obi-wan? Only mafia want to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Again with the speculation. Also sigurd voting someone doesn't mean anything. It certainly doesn't take nerves of steel.Quote:
Sigurd voted Sasaki. Nerves of steel? Or does it exonerate Sasaki?
PK voted 00Jebus. Again, unless there were nerves of steel involved, it means 00Jebus is not Obi-Wan.
Look at your own vote record. It never looked like you would be lynched. That's a blatant misrepresentation.Quote:
Round 2 (hmm, maybe I'll copy/paste the voting record):
Andres - Vote : Sigurd
Mith - vote:Sasaki
Sarathos - Vote:Makaikhaan
Sigurd - vote: Louis IV the Fett
Mith - unvote: Sasaki, Vote: Sigurd
00Jebus - vote:Makaikhaan
Privateerkev - vote: Sigurd
Shlin28 - Vote 00jebus
This next vote, post #114, I'll quote:
:inquisitive:
Makaikhaan - Vote: Sarathos
Louis - Vote: Mithrandir
Sasaki - unvote,vote:sigurd
Hmm, there was a tie between Sigurd and Louis, two votes on each. All the way to the very end. Then, Louis did not try to save either or both by putting a vote on somebody else to draw them level on two votes with Sigurd and Louis. Which leads me to suspect Louis is just an innocent without knowledge of Sigurd's Sith status, and certainly not afraid of taking one for the team.
More importantly: Sigurd voted Louis and never did take his vote or accusations away from Louis even when it looked like Louis would be lynched. :yes: :beam:
After 00jebus had just been jumped on for voting makaikhaan it would have been suicidal for you as sigurd's scumbuddy to vote for makaikhaan as well. That's another piece of non-evidence.
I found it suspicious that you were lurking and voted you, saying I didn't see anything in particular suspicious about sigurd (I didn't). Later I came back (the vote was not tied, sigurd was ahead, check your facts). I decided that the sentence mentioned was scummy (looks like I was right on this) and compared his behavior to Taormina which was something that hadn't occured to me.Quote:
Sasaki's votes are peculiar. His first vote sounds like an attempt to bandwagon Louis, and to protect Sigurd both in number of votes and in reason. Then, shortly before the deadline, when the votes are still tied, he changes his vote to Sigurd. Ultimate bluff? Sacrificing one to spare himself as remaining Sith lord? Or not? With the vote level at 2-2, chances were 50/50 Sigurd would stay alive. In typical Sasaki style, it is both extremely scummy and innocent. :wall:
He mentioned early in the day that he was suspicious of makaikhaan and then voted him. Hardly amazing evidence. He could be guilty but this accusation is not very good.Quote:
So my vote will go to 00Jebus. His vote on Makaikhaan could've been an attempt to save Sigurd last round.
Vote: 00Jebus
Assessment and re-assesment is what it is. I overlooked a vote on Sigurd in my first assesment. :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
So Sasaki didn't vote for Sigurd at 2-2, but at 3-2. Which makes Sasaki distinctly scummy. Could my very first in-game post have hit the jackpot? Were Sigurd and Sasaki really putting up a mock fight like I accused them of? And is that why both have consistently tried to bandwagon me? :smash:
Unvote: Jebus. Vote: Sasaki.
I still fos both Jebus and Sasaki. Jebus constantly pops by to claim his innocence, and votes very mafia-like: that is, in the middle of the voting process, bandwagoning other players. Then again, he didn't show up to save Sigurd. Maybe he really slept, or maybe he was late.
Sasaki's post above is so crap it begs for a vote on him though. Sasaki: "sigurd voting someone doesn't mean anything."
Really? That's odd. I think that Darth Sidious' voting and bandwagoning record means rather a lot...
Duh! Nobody's suggesting you reveal Anakin in public! Nor to reveal Obi. But for Obi and you to share when the time is right or the situation call for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
As with all sharing of information, whatever helps the town, helps the Sith. Such is the nature of this type of game. All I am suggesting, is that if there is a possibilty to aid the town, you and Obi-Wan take it. I don't have access to you two's information, so I can't make the judgment call of what when to share.
However, with possibly six investigations between the two of you, plus the two of you yourself, and nine living players, theoretically we could soon, or already, be a long way towards weeding out the last Sith. :idea2:
No but you were certainly trying very hard to figure out who it was in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
tally:
Louis: 3 (jebus, sasaki, Privateerkev)
sasaki: 3 (Mithrandir, andres, louis)
jebus: 2 (makaikhaan, shlin28)
Don't try and avoid responding. You said things which were clearly not true in order to make yourself look innocent.Quote:
Sasaki's post above is so crap it begs for a vote on him though. Sasaki: "sigurd voting someone doesn't mean anything."
Really? That's odd. I think that Darth Sidious' voting and bandwagoning record means rather a lot...
I doubt that Sasaki is guilty. The theory that they planned to sacrifice Sigurd is stupid. Sigurd didn't even know that he would be revealed as a Sith upon execution.
As for the theory that Sasaki switched votes once it became obvious Sigurd would be lynched, well that theory isn't real good either. We're talking about Sigurd and Sasaki here people! If the two of them were working together and gave up so easily then I would be very dissapointed in them. Sasaki's vote change(to Sigurd) was perfectly valid in my eyes. Go back and look at it. He makes a good point about the "mildly scolding" tone in Sigurd's previous post. If you think a person is guilty then you vote for them. That is what Sasaki did.
I don't have an opinion on Louis' guilt or innocence but I don't believe Sasaki should be lynched.
edit: Sasaki, 00jebus was your team mate in Taormina. Do you think he is guilty?
Unvote:Sasaki
Vote: Louis the Fat
He's more talkative here than there. But that doesn't mean much. He could be but I don't see any evidence to show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
I'm not really convinced about Sasaki's innocence, but for now I'll trust those who are alleged to the Light Side of the Force.
Unvote : Sasaki; Vote : Louis
Vote: Louis
What are you trying to do? So PK knows of this Obi-wan bu that is no reason to purse him in an effort to reveal. My only question is why?
End of Day 3
Louis was lynched. Nothing abnormal about his body or his house.
Start Night 4 (24hrs)
Alive:
Andres
PK
Mithrandir
Shlin
Sarathos
00jebus
Sasaki
makaikhaan
Dead:
FH
W&F
Sigurd
Louis IV the fat
FoS anyone who voted Louis
Sorry Louis :shame:
Ah well, serves me right for making a mistake in counting the votes. Thought I'd help us all out a bit by copy-pasting all the votes. ~:mecry:
Hey, here's a thought: if I wanted to lie about the voting record, would I go through the entire thread, copy all the votes, put them up for all to see as an easy tool, and then lie about it?
Doesn't matter. Go town!
Fos: Sasaki, 00Jebus.
I'll repeat my earlier call to share information. Sith thrive by secrecy. Town thrives by discussion, information and numbers.
Here's my response:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Everybody knows now I have been innocent all along. You and Sigurd have been pushing for my lynch all throughout this game. I'll also quote my very first in-game post, which said: 'Sigurd and Sasaki are putting up a mock fight. Fos: Sigurd, Sasaki'.
sorry Louis. :shame:
You were acting funny and I took it wrong.
also sorry,
annoyingly, this leaves me with only lingering and small suspicions about people
Hey, we've all got to work with what we've got. If I bugger up the vote count, it's my own fault. No need for anybody to be sorry. My stupidity is my own responsibility.Quote:
Sorry Louis
Besides, hindsight is 20/20. I didn't know who the Sith were either, neither did anybody else. Which doesn't matter, as long as the town finds them at some point.
End of night 4
Again nothing to report, come on people...
Start Day 4 (24hrs)
Vote makaihkaan - no posts?
If there is no night action it means that the mafia player remaining is an inactive person, i.e. someone who hasn't logged in for a while. Greenies? :grin:
I don't think anyone is inactive?
Possibly scolding the mod for ending the day quickly (a look at who's been online recently can clear townies sometimes).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
States that his goal is to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Has no problem random voting now--when sigurd has been accused in a big way by andres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Not too good...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Vote:Sarathos
I really don't know what to make of the lack of kills.
Well at least no one else is being killed.
I investigated Sasaki last night and found he has no trace of the dark side in him.
Mith, Andres, and Sasaki are all cleared as far as I am concerned.
And I don't think being inactive makes a difference as my investigations are to find the dark side and that is not exactly something you can turn off like a faucet.
I need to re-read the thread and see if I can find anything before I vote.
Andres-innocent by investigation
PK-innocent by being jedi
Mithrandir-innocent by investigation
Sasaki-innocent by investigation
Suspects
makaikhaan
Shlin
Sarathos
00jebus
If I remember correctly, one is Obi and one is Anakin. If those two reveal then we have a 50/50 chance of lynching the last Sith.
And if you lynch the wrong guy, anakin is dead tonight. Good idea :laugh4:
Doesnt anakin turn into darth vader which causes a lot of problems ?
So I don't see the problem?
From the list:
makaikhaan
Shlin
Sarathos
00jebus
I would say 00jebus is the most suspicious, as my instinct said so...
Vote 00jebus
"Instincs"?Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
Vote : shlin28
Please, elaborate.
I have been voting him for the previous two rounds... because my gut feeling tells me that he is guilty, and as shown in the Good, Bad and the Ugly, my guesses has been very good...
You can't just guess shlin. What do you think of sarathos's strange statements?
Also, anakin and obi wan, don't hesitate to claim if you have a vote on you...we improve our odds by a lot.
I think Saratho's statements do not prove his guilty-ness, I think they are just statements, not carefully crafted responses. Plus they don't alter from his normal 'tone' in mafia games.
Well I suppose it is basically impossible for the mafia to win at this point.
I would say my statements are strange, though anything that is sais can be take a multitude of ways. I am just trying to contribute to the town as best as I can.
Isn't everyone's goal to survive....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
No, the town's goal is to lynch the mafia. Death means nothing. You have played enough that you should know that by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Gah! :help:
I don't want to make the same mistake I made with Louis but we have to lynch somebody.
Vote:Sarathos
For the reasons already stated. :shrug:
A real townie would not fear death. :no:
tally:
Sarathos: 2 (Sasaki, Privateerkev)
shlin28: 1 (Andres)
00jebus: 1 (shlin28)
You guys all get led on by Sasaki :laugh4:
I'm a towny... I want to live....
Vote:Sasaki.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
QEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Sorry for the very late chapter guys but some unexpected RL stuff came up this morning. As for the final write up I'm a little too busy to write that as well but the game is now over.
Sarathos was Anakin but has been killed. This means a victory for the Sith and defeat for the jedi. I suppose it is a minor defeat for the town as well as there are still actually two sith left.
I'll post my final thoughts when I have the time. Thanks for playing guys :bow:
WHAT???
Sigurd was not Sith?
thanks for hosting EF! :bow:
2 sith!?!
here is my real role pm with Obi-wan's identity left in:
I spent most of the game just trying to keep you guys from lynching Obi-Wan. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Here is the Jedi QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/QbMAKSZmKt7
See I told you you were being led on :tongue2:
No he was Sith, he was Darth Sidious. Allow me to explain.
Quite simple really, once one darth was dead Darth Maul (makaikhaan) became the master and I allowed him to select an apprentice (Andres) who was another Sith but with much lower stats. It was also a risk choosing as if the selectee was a jedi or anakin then they would discover his role and so lynch him the next day.
The other roles were:
PK:Qui Gon, his reveal was genuine
Sasaki: Obi Wan
edit: maybe I should have refreshed before posting :laugh4:
The sad thing was Sarathos actually had the ability to reveal to one person each night, from night two, but he was too busy to get his orders in except on one night, but he revealed to the dead FH.
MUUHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
You Saber wielding loonies actually killed Anakin as I predicted. The force was strong with that one and you fools couldn't even detect him or the two Sith working in your ranks.
Congratulations to our new Sith overlords. You played a good game.
Thanks for hosting, EF
yes, congrats to the sith, well played :bow:
It seems I made the assumption that I knew all of the roles in the game. Ironic because I argued people should not make that assumption in Taormina.
It would have helped if Sarathos was on more. He could have avoided that lynch.
Indeed, then it would have been a much closer game. Andres had pretty good chance of winning though, it was very cunning of khaan to choose his apprentice as somone already investigated by PK.
Actually Sarathos didn't reveal to me. How did you think that he did?
I'm assuming it is because you were killed that night. I investigated you on N1 as well and I never got a reply from EF.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
I thought it would be obvious he wasn't mafia seeing as he was just killed by them. Sarathos actually revealed the night after FH was killed, so he was already dead a while Sarathos must have missed it somehow.
Huh, why didn't sarathos claim?
Who knows? I was expecting him to reveal to PK rather than a dead player and then the three of you would have enough lynch power to kill off suspicious players until the sith had been eliminated. Ironically you two were responsible for killing the person your objective was to save :laugh4:
Congratulations to the Sith. Well done.
Pity Anakin was lynched. But why no reveal?
I somewhat expected a Jedi or Ani to be able to turn to the dark side. I thought the Sith might've spend the last two nights recruiting or investigating possible recruits or something. Sith, what have you two been up two for the last two nights? Did the two of you decide to lay low, to feign impotence, only to strike after a possible anakin revelation maybe?
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Originally Posted by FactionHeir
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Unless you forgot to send me a PM :tongue2:
Meh, we decided just to wait until you petty villagers lynched Anakin... :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Due to RL neither 'khaan nor me got our night orders in. Our orders for the next night didn't matter anymore, since Anakin was already dead.
I didn't send you a PM because you can't reveal to a dead person, they have no hearing, they are dead!Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Did you really watch StarWars? :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
HAH!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
You never learned how to preserve your identity in the force. You blend in like all the rest of the plebs upon death.
Only masters of the force are even able to comprehend what this is all about. Spend too much time leaning how to drill with a light-saber and this might just be beyond you.
Ok... OOC:
This was a fun game indeed. Too bad it was only a small game. I told EF that this would have been a perfect setup for a large game. And the Sith code of there always being two sith, one master and one apprentice was just a great touch to this game.
EF did mention that he would try setting a larger game up. Damn man, the STAR WARS genre is just perfect for these games.
This must be the first game where the Mafia wins by only killing once in a game of totally 4 rounds. Into the org. mafia book of records.
Hey there is an idea... Why not make one?
I wouldn't be opposed to such an idea. However, someone's got to keep it up to date. The old summary thread for games has long since fell behind the curve.
Also, interesting game, and thanks to Elite Ferret for hosting.
The part I will miss most is signing all my PM's for the game as "Qui-Gon the Jedi Master"
:clown:
Man, khaan I knew you were guilty... I just wasn't in this game.