I did too and it was awesome.
A very good idea TC. I was wondering how the Hippodrome would work out but so far I am loving it. :bow:
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I did too and it was awesome.
A very good idea TC. I was wondering how the Hippodrome would work out but so far I am loving it. :bow:
Glad you guys like it. The system I created to generate the random results if 5 pages long, complete with a random character generation system. Even I don't know the results before I run the race. Then all I have to do is write up the results like a commentator. It's kind of fun.
Just a quick question.
How are these RBG's meant to be integrated into the Senate?
I need to whip up a story to explain my boy's arrival and integration and I'm a little vague on the process that is being used.
Help?
Do it any way you want. They're all Senators. You can assume you guy is new, a veteran Senator, from noble blood, from peasant stock, whatever you want. I don't think there are any limits on how you explain it, except that at the current time, he's a Senator.
Thanks for the feedback TC.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'd like to know what the recognised procedure was for this though. How where the senator's decided back then?
Michail had a rich merchant father. he bought a senate seat. :grin2:
FYI, I'm going to hold off on making the needed changes (killing off excess RBGSs, moving avatars to starting locations, shifting titles around, and restoring treasury to default level) until the debate period is over. More people may sign up between now and then, and it would just be easier to give them one of the pre-spawned avatars rather than making them wait for a fresh one. I'll make the changes when we switch over to the voting period, though, so the final save will be ready about 2 days before the game starting moving.
Oh, I've also reversed my decision on giving TheFlax a vote in this Senate session. He's done a great job with roleplaying the princess and GH is getting a vote as well, even though he is also using an avatar. It would be eminently unjust to make TheFlax the only person who couldn't vote after all of this. As with GH, I just request that he vote as an anonymous Senator, not as his agent character.
As you'll see in the Story Thread, there's a new character for everyone to interact with (though he has no in-game representation), the massively rich Voluminoso Maiale, merchant of Genoa, who has recently arrived in Constantinople to conquer the city with his mutton chops and marry off the Princess.
I didn't want it to come down to that. But all them love stories left me no choice.
Sure if you lined up all of Anna's suitors, you could cross the Bosphorus without wetting a slippered foot...
Thank you, I'll try to vote as impartialy as possible. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'm glad so many people jumped in to roleplay, I'm already having a great time. Thanks to everyone of you.
Also, my thanks must be given to Lemon for creating the first character with whom I am truly afraid to interact. :clown:
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Oh, how I long for the days of the Republic, where any Senator who spoke in any way against the sacred Republican process could immediately be labeled as a tyrant who aspired to make himself King over the good Roman people, who at the very utterance of that word, Rex, would draw their swords and look to spill some blood. But now we have an Emperor, whom we're supposed to respect even as we tell him what things we allow him to do. Damn you Servius Aemilius, you gave them the idea.
hi all,
I dont have access to the game right now, what is the province to the west of Thessalonica?
The debates are getting fierece.
:laugh4:
I think you are referring to Durazzo? If not, its Arta.
Thank you.
:bow:
There's a map in the Senate Library. That's what I've been using.
I thought that didnt have Settlement names, thank you!
Hey everyone, I'm back from my trip.
So many threads to go through, and stuck on dialup as well. :dizzy2:
I love the little pieces TheFlax! They give very valuable background information and are much appreciated. I just refrained from posting in your threads to keep them tidy and not cluttered with little messages proclaiming your deserved greatness!
I apologize for the Basileus's late arrival in the Manguara. I was busy Sunday upgrading my computer (put in a new MoBo , processor, memory, HDD while still waiting for the graphics card to arrive). I checked the forum every once in a while while reinstalling windows and such on the new drive, but I didn't see the Senate thread that I expected. I, foolishly it seems, thought the Manguara was the name of another house thread. :oops:
So Aleksios wasn't lurking behind a curtain testing anyone or anything, though that is a great retcon. :2thumbsup:
Thank you. Now that I've seen that at least a few people enjoy them, I'll write some more soon. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
Sorry about that, I figured since the LotR tavern was being named after a real building, that it would be nice to do the same for the Senate. A bit of googling found the proper name for me, as well as that image of what it would have looked like. The entire website (http://www.byzantium1200.com/) is actually pretty interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
And here I though he was hoping that the Senators would wait for him out of respect for the whole session, and not get any constricting legislation passed. :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Yes, I envisioned him looking at the proceedings from some secret room and his eyes looking through the eyes of one of the paintings, waiting to see who was supporting what... Shifty MoFo is our Basileos...
Yes, I believe MoFo is the appropriate term for our Leige
he said while wearing floppy clown shoes, bleeding profusely from the head...
I'm just toying around with my signature because of the great heraldry done by deguerra and this question comes up. Does anyone know whether you can make the borders of a table created in BBCode invisible?
For an example how I don't want it to look just take a look at my signature.
Yes, I do. The table code is "table=0 0 0". That's what I've used to create the world maps in the various Libraries.
That's a brilliant idea, btw. I've been trying to figure out how to arrange stuff like that in my sig for a long time. Tables never occurred to me.
Does anyone know if we can take the Grandmaster Seal from the Templar faction and put it on an avatar in this game? Also, I'd want it "stripped" of traits to be fair. (it gives a couple stat boosts.) I just want it for role-playing purposes.
But I know nothing about modding. So a.) is this even possible? And b.) is it allowed?
It would be easier to simply create a new retinue with the same graphic, but with a different description and no effects. However, I don't want to do that because you're essentially asking for a unique retinue to show you as the head of your House. If we made a custom retinue for you, then we'd have to allow one for every House leader and then it starts getting way too complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Ok, no problem. :bow:
Just thought I'd ask. :beam:
*edit*
What about at higher ranks? For example, could we pass a CA one day that allows it for Grand Dukes?
Anything can pass a CA, but I would vote against it unless there was a really good reason. All such changes would require a new mod to be created and installed. That's a lot of work to go through considering the only benefit is having an IC icon on your Library mugshot.
We could certainly add completely new traits and retinue that have actual in-game effects (such as adding the actual rank titles, Strator, Dux, Exarch, etc.) but then we're talking about making a full-on mod just for this game. That's a bit more work than I'm willing to undertake, personally.
Ah then nevermind. I didn't realize what I was asking would entail a lot of work. I just thought it would be something cool if it could be done quickly and easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Cant we comment here OOC: What happens in the Magaura, like the latest Lemongate episode. Personally i dont see anything bad on that little blunder, also it was funny as hell, maybe we should loosen up a bit. I dont know is it just me, but the atmosphere generally seems bit stiff compared to start of KOTR for example, hopefully people are just so exited about the starting of the game.:yes:
Alright I just want to say I am absolutly loving the posts you guys are doing in the Senate thread. I won't respond to them all IC but I wanted to give kudos in here. ATPG, TLG, Andres, many more that I am not mentioning, please know that even if I am not reacting IC, I am laughing my !@#$ off OOC. :laugh4:
That and the stories are rocking! :2thumbsup:
The Magnaura thread has been purged of those last two OOC posts. There was nothing wrong with what The Lemongate posted. I personally found it to be very amusing and well-written. Comedy is as much at home in these games as the more intense dramatics.
In any case, it should not be discussed via OOC posts in the Magnaura. If you have issues like that, post them in here or PM me. The only OOC posts which should be posted in the Magnaura or the Hippodrome are ones which aid in the understanding of what is going on, such as PK's recent post. All other OOC posts should go in this thread. Also, there should be no OOC posts whatsoever in the Battle Reports or Stories Threads. The House threads are managed by the leaders of the various Houses, so those people can make their own rules on OOC posting.
Hmmm... right, so I get more reactions (albeit negative ones) to a silly post (which I did put some time in - the character is thought out) then anything said by Anastasios.
Geez I'm all a smile here...
I loved the long war rant by Anastasios. It made me want to grab a sword and stab something. :yes:
And I think the character is very distinctive. :2thumbsup:
Awesome! Thank you! And you're welcome, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Edit: Nope, that didn't do the trick. Once I just added the table=0 0 0 into my current code it messes up my formatting completely. It will just put the the first line into the table, once a new line starts it puts it ouf of the table...
Yay! Another Wheel off Time fan :D And, seriously people, if you understood how ridiculously simple these Arms are put together, you would be running me out of the Senate after all the praise you've thrown my way :beam:
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Nice to know my efforts at humor are appreciated. More is coming.
I thank you Deguerra for giving us so many deep and insightful posts.
:clown:
Ituralde your sig looked good earlier today I thought you had already done a table. The format was very clean and all the stuff was easy to see in your sig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
According to this and Wiki Crete should be in the hands of the Byzantine Empire. I didn't realize that.
There are quite a few mistakes like that in TW games. They pick a date in time to start the game, but then they do not totally recreate the setting. They basically "fudge" it a little to try to balance out the factions and make things simpler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I figured as much. Oh well, it's a good reason to start a war with Venice in any case. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Seems like everyone in the West wants a piece of the Venetians and the Sicilians. Our houses should support each other to that end and see if we can't sway the Basileos.
We need to destroy the Catholics fast before the build up, those two factions anyway.
Ironically, Zim and I checked for Antioch and it didn't fall until 1083. :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Then again, my character isn't born until 1083 and the Ceasar won't be born until 1087. Trebizond should be Byzantine, as Smyrna (I think) and Durazzo. Alexios proved his meddle taking back Durazzo from the Normans right before ascending to the throne.
That's massive fudging right there. :clown:
Antioch should be as well. Till 1084 :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Reminds of Byzantium's starting position at 1080 in the original MTW. They even had Naples, though that was hard to hold onto.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
I was pretty sure the Seljuk siege of Antioch was in 1084, but I didn't verify.
And it's 1h45 AM.
And my brain is going :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:
So I might, I just might be wrong.
Oh and Dyrrachion (Durazzo) was the capital city of Epirus. Not some huts in a mud patch with no walls.
I noticed many of the same inaccuracies when I did the Comnenian Restoration. My advice, just roll with it. We're about to go completely off the historical rails anyway if the revived Senate wasn't a clue. :laugh4:
Still I did try to give rationale for it in my speech.
Also, I took a look at the avatars save in the game. Are we going to be teleporting avatars before game play starts? A lot of the avatars are out of position.
Thanks to TinCow I finally got my signature to work. It really is more tricky than it might seem to the casual observer. But once I just put every single line into its own formatting it came out pretty nice.
@Northnovas
Like I said, having a table makes it look like it did, and then just adding the table=0 0 0 bit makes your whole layout go bonkers!
@deguerra
Well if you consider my username the part in my signature should not surprise you. And I found that once you got the hange of something it might be quite simple to you, but that does neither mean that it would be simple to us nor that we can't appreciate the results! :2thumbsup:
Why, it doesn't seem tricky at all! I don't know what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
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Originally Posted by FLYdude
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Hmmmmm, it seems Anna is the most popular Belle at the Ball. :laugh4:
Gah, I just want to go kill something (in the game that is).
I want to kill someone! New laptop, not even 20 minutes old, now mum somehow gets freaking mashed potato in the speaker vent...
Gah, all these desperate guys writing silly love letters and trying to meet Anna in secret...
Maybe it's time for her to meet a REAL MAN (TM) ~:cheers: --> :eyebrows:
And probably to get myself a slap in the face... :shame:
When does the voting start?
I just realized that I have to attend a wedding in the middle of nowhere on Saturday (literally). After Friday evening I'm (at best) down to a GPRS connection until Sunday evening and I really don't want to browse the forums using that.
First post read in the Senate reads "I hereby declare the Byzantine Senate to be in Session! The floor will remain open for debate and legislation until 3:30pm EST on Thursday, June 5th, at which point there will be 48 hours alloted for voting." So you will be quite fine.
Out of curiosity, where do you live and how are you getting to that island? I mean I live in Australia, and that still seems quite in the middle of nowhere :laugh4:
:embarassed: I managed to find it just after postingQuote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
From Helsinki (close enough to Espoo where I live) two hours by train to Turku, then a local bus as far as possible to the archipelago and then 4 hours by ferry.Quote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
For the record, I will also allow voting via proxy, as econ21 did in KOTR. If you know how you want to vote on certain pieces of legislation, but won't be around to actually do the clicking, you can send me a PM stating how you want to vote on the various Edicts/Amendments. I will then include your vote in the final tally.
While this is being discussed in the Senate I'd like to speculate on some finer OOC points, that my character would never think of.
The system has always been that Edicts are enforced by the governing body, here speaking the Senate, and they are in place to limit the Megas' actions. What we are currently proposing though will limit the actions of avatars within the game. So while a Megas' may fear impeachment any avatar has no built-in penalty to fear.
This might be quite interesting, seeing as whoever would conquer Durazzo without the Basileos wishes, would have just broken an Edict, and would be standing in some tiny village without walls and only his retinue. It would just be about worth it, just to see the fuss created by such an action. IC penalties tend to be so much more cruel than anything set in the rules. :evilgrin:
It's little things like these that really show you the scope of possibilities within this game! I love it! :2thumbsup:
Yep, I'm a big fan of this move towards requiring IC enforcement of Edicts. People are still free to do what they want, they just have to deal with the IC consequnces of it. It's far more realistic and entertaining than having some artificial OOC authority blocking actions. I can't wait until we've got a House that's powerful enough that it thinks it can ignore the Senate and still survive.
I'm happy to have started it all...:2thumbsup:
I'm very amused to see so much fighting over a simple village. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng
Such a little spark to start a big bonfire...
Im loving this little discussion. I can only imagine how these sessions will be when there are many powerful factions in the Empire.:2thumbsup:
I'm just hoping Tristans' Edict passes and that ATPG will take Durazzo without permission from the Emperor...
If that would occur, we'd have an interesting second session :2thumbsup:
When you have no territory at all, and your fellow senators block you from taking even one pathetic village, why would there not be a vigorous debate?
Same here... Do you see any land I own or hope to own soon ? Except for Durazzo ?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Oops, this is an OOC thread. Still, I feel I had to say it.
:laugh4:
Honestly, I don't care. I do not care about Durazzo. I am simply rp'ing my character who is interested in having at least one province.
Same here, once again... Just Rp'ing saving Durazzo from madmen ( 4 dread :jawdrop:)
I just want to get a good fight in while I still have the opportunity...
When this is over, I will buy your character a drink and simply say "I told you so".
:laugh2:
I will propose something In-Character to resolve this.
And I will buy you one back ~:cheers:
What was the thing we did in KotR when an Edict contradicted the Charter? Was it alright or did it need a 2/3 majority to pass or was it filed under a rule dispute and was delegated to the Kaiser/Basileus? :inquisitive:
Ah the intricacies of the Rules... :book2:
Aha, seems like TinCow beat me to it. But wouldn't Edict 1.8 go against the Charter too. I mean it also interferes with the allocation of settlements as laid out by the Charter... :inquisitive:
This is where my Senate alter-ego, as inherited from econ21, kicks in. Unless of course someone wants to actually claim a rule dispute about it, in which case it gets kicked up to the Basileus.
I believe we had something similar in the first KotR session where we tried to force the hand of the Kaiser to grant settlements to Houses. This time it's probably the other way around. And the Basileus is involved too, meaning that the actual rule dispute would have to be decided by the highest ranking feudal lords.
So someone could actually oppose Edict 1.8 legality. Had I been campaigning against this Edict I would be interested. :wink3:
Hmm, that's a very good point about 1.9 (which is I think what you meant, instead of 1.8). The clause which gives the province directly to the Basileus is illegal. I will have to invalidate that one as well. ATPG could have won that one a long time ago if he'd brought the Charter up.