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How does pascal's wager work out if you pick the wrong god... i mean if i was asking Ra to forgive my sins (although i don't think thats his proper use but lets pertend) would that annoy the christian god less, more or as much as being an atheist... ?
Why? Is it not enough that He is Great, that he is Good, that his is God?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
They don't actually teach that, effective performance (You make a gesture and God makes an action) is not a part of Evangelical Christianity. Of course, that doesn't mean they are insincere.Quote:
Of course, you cannot simply think that speaking the words of a prayer for forgiveness will get you into Heaven as US Evangelicalism leads many to believe, wanting salvation just to get into Heaven would not be in the Christian spirit at all.
You focus on ther personal too much here. Why do they need to ask for forgiveness? Is it because they have sinned, or because they need salvation?Quote:
However, when evanglising, you have to make people aware of just how much they are in need of forgiveness - if they ask for salvation knowing the true state of sin they are in, the God would never refuse it.
I would say the answer is because they have sinned, regardless of whether or not they will recieve salvation. If a criminal commits murder, he should admit it, he should still be hung if that is the law.
They should not expect savlation, they should hope for it. Your Calvin went further, and said that most Christians would go to hell even though they glorified God, because they were not chosen.Quote:
They can expect salvation if they are genuine, not because they feel they deserve it, but because they know that Jesus paid the price for them.
Cromwell believed he had been elected to salvation, regardless of his actions. This allowed him to murder a great many people and place the Commonwealth under an oppressive martial law. He is not an example I would choose.Quote:
The below passage is from a letter written by Oliver Cromwell, I'd just like to post it because to me it is inspiring and reassuring. He knew that God had given him salvation, he could expect it knowing God's mercy, however nowhere does he suggest that he was deserving of it:
"Truly no poor creature hath more cause to put himself forth in the cause of God than I. I have had plentiful wages before hand; and I am sure I shall never earn the least mite. The Lord accept me in His Son, and give me to walk in the light, as He is the light! He it is that enlighteneth our blackness, our darkness. I dare not say He hideth His face from me. He giveth me to see light in His light. One beam in a dark place hath exceeding much refreshment in it. Blessed be His name for shining upon so dark a heart as mine! You know what my manner of life hath been. Oh, I lived in, and loved darkness, and hated light! I was a chief, the chief of sinners. This is true; I hated godliness, yet God had mercy on me. Oh, the richness of His mercy! Praise Him for me - pray for me, that He who hath begun a good work would perfect it in the day of Christ."
Anyway, we're getting off topic. If you really want to hash this out PM me and we can start a Debate topic in a week or so when I have more free time.
LittleGrizzly, well spotted. It doesn't, or rather it goes from a good wager to a bad one.
This all makes me think that America is not that free at all.
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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
Care to expand?
Not sure if your talking about our insane fringe, or the recent turn in the debate.
If its the first I agree...