Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
Rhyfelwyr
Kind of like when people keep comparing a certain black President to Mr. Schicklgruber. :tongue2:
Economically, yes.
Well when I'm on a roll...
ummm..no, because by AMERICAN standards they were socially very leftist as well.
As to the President thing, you must not be talking about our half and half (technically more white blood than black) President, unless you mean that it only takes one drop of black blood to pollute someone and make them black. Sorry to be hard on you about it, but it smacks racism to me. I don't blame you, because everyone calls him black, but I cannot help but think it is racism when people who are half and half and even people who are 80-90% of white heritage are called black, like because they have SOME black blood in them they are polluted and it over-rides all their other blood. It is kind of talking about black heritage like it is some kind of disease. Anyway, rant over, I know you did not mean to be racist, but I just wanted to point out to you that there ARE racist undertones there. As far as comparing him to Hitler, yeah, it is ridiculous, BUT, there is nothing wrong with pointing out that politicians (him included) enacting social policies makes something like a Nazi repeat more possible because it strengthens the government and disenfranchises the people, making it easier for a dictator to take full control. I do not think there is anything wrong with pointing out what that can lead to. (which is not at all the same as calling someone Hitler) I personally think that the Nazi regime should stay with us as a lesson to WHY we have our checks and balances and the importance of keeping government small and efficient, and not letting it intrude into places where it shouldn't. That said, I agree with you, it is greatly overused.
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
Just Vuk Again
As to the President thing, you must not be talking about our half and half (technically more white blood than black) President, unless you mean that it only takes one drop of black blood to pollute someone and make them black.
Enjoy your locked thread.
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
CountArach
Enjoy your locked thread.
Boy, and you were talking about being misunderstood earlier? :P My entire point was to draw attention to just that hateful attitude.
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
Just Vuk Again
Boy, and you were talking about being misunderstood earlier? :P My entire point was to draw attention to just that hateful attitude.
Oh come off it - you were putting words in Rhy's mouth.
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
Just Vuk Again
ummm..no, because by AMERICAN standards they were socially very leftist as well.
Eh, very few people define full libertarianism as the most right-wing position on social issues. You're the second on this forum that done this claim (Gawain was the first), so I wouldn't say it's particullary common.
You know why? Political Leanings of Members . True libertarians are the lower right corner.
De facto libertarians want the society to be in the lower right, even when they are not always agreeing with the ideas there.
Re: Twenty years after the wall
Well Vuk you got me. As soon as there's one drop of black blood in there, you're no longer one of the pure white master race. Generally I use the word 'black' interchangeably with 'deviant', because he's just a corrupted white man, that's all black people are really.
Oh yeah and if it was needed... :clown:
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Hey baby, we're all from Africa. :afro:
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Yeah I'm a Rastafarian, I'm going back to Zion! (which is Ethiopia for them isn't it?) :hippy:
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
Rhyfelwyr
Well Vuk you got me. As soon as there's one drop of black blood in there, you're no longer one of the pure white master race. Generally I use the word 'black' interchangeably with 'deviant', because he's just a corrupted white man, that's all black people are really.
Oh yeah and if it was needed... :clown:
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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
I know you did not mean to be racist, but I just wanted to point out to you that there ARE racist undertones there.
I know that you were not meaning to be racist (and said so), I just wanted to point out that there ARE definate racist undertones to it, whether you realized it or not. Why is it that someone with a small percentage of African ancestory is a 'black man'? Likewise with asians and other races. The ones that a small amount of blood doesn't make you that race is white people. It is a very racist attitude. I just wanted you to know that so that you could reconsider your thought process. The media pounds it into us, so I know that it can be hard.
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Maybe some people would say your tight definition of the labels has some racist undertones to it... im not arguing that myself mind...
The label is simply an easy one to use, the same way we mangle political definitions all over the place in the backroom, it just makes things easier...
Of course if you really wanted to get into it properly things could get a little messy, what about those with 1 white grandparent and 3 black grandparents, or the other way around... would it also have racist undertones to call them half cast rather than quater or three qaurter cast ?
Similarly with someone half asain, quarter white and a quarter black. If they looked more asian than anything else couldn't we simply refer to them as asian rather than go through a complicated routine of mentioning thier exact ethinticity ?
If anything its more lazyness than racist undertones... and im all for lazyness and shortcuts ~;)
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
LittleGrizzly
Maybe some people would say your tight definition of the labels has some racist undertones to it... im not arguing that myself mind...
The label is simply an easy one to use, the same way we mangle political definitions all over the place in the backroom, it just makes things easier...
Of course if you really wanted to get into it properly things could get a little messy, what about those with 1 white grandparent and 3 black grandparents, or the other way around... would it also have racist undertones to call them half cast rather than quater or three qaurter cast ?
Similarly with someone half asain, quarter white and a quarter black. If they looked more asian than anything else couldn't we simply refer to them as asian rather than go through a complicated routine of mentioning thier exact ethinticity ?
If anything its more lazyness than racist undertones... and im all for lazyness and shortcuts ~;)
If so, then why isn't someone who is 3/4 white and 1/4 black called white just to be lazy? That is my point, they make it like black is a stigma. A guy who is 3/4 black is black. Ok, I can agree with that, it makes things easy. But why is someone who is 3/4 white also called black? It is because it only takes one drop of poisonous black blood to taint someone's whiteness. Like it or not, that is where the classification came from, and it is very racist. I understand that when people use it nowadays they do not mean to be racist, but I also think that people should make an effort not to say racist things when they know that they are racist.
Take the word polock FI. I always used to call Polish that because I had no idea that it was an insulting term (it is what they call themselves after all). When I learned that it was used as an insult though, I broke my long ingrained habit and stopped saying it. (same with Jap)
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TBH i think it is just down to appearances, firstly i don't now any 3/4 white 1/4 black people, but i am assuming that people who do refer those people as black, are maybe just genuinely mistaken, i mean you can get light skinned blacks and dark skinned whites, i have a friend who has a kind of natural tan and people occasionally call him black, hes not that dark so its probably just a wind up (as in spelling pever with a P is a wind up whilst not paticularly insulting) but he has a friend (i have been told) who is a very dark skinned white and apparently many people think he's black as he has a dark skin tone...
So i wouldn't really put it down to racism, maybe some people do put it that way for some racist purpose, but i think most just use it as an easy labelling system... this is one case where im going to settle with majority rules ~;)
I have to be honest though when i was a little un i was rather confused by the whole calling them blacks when many of them have far lighter skin than what you would think of as black skin... i think a little later i realised the whole white thing was a little off as well...
I think the main problem is where we identified races as colours, so anyone with quite dark skin that doesn't go into any of the other groups gets easily misidentified as black... though i suppose even if we had a fancy name instead of black if would be the distinguishing feature people would use to identify blacks anyway...
Re: Twenty years after the wall
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Originally Posted by
LittleGrizzly
TBH i think it is just down to appearances, firstly i don't now any 3/4 white 1/4 black people, but i am assuming that people who do refer those people as black, are maybe just genuinely mistaken, i mean you can get light skinned blacks and dark skinned whites, i have a friend who has a kind of natural tan and people occasionally call him black, hes not that dark so its probably just a wind up (as in spelling pever with a P is a wind up whilst not paticularly insulting) but he has a friend (i have been told) who is a very dark skinned white and apparently many people think he's black as he has a dark skin tone...
So i wouldn't really put it down to racism, maybe some people do put it that way for some racist purpose, but i think most just use it as an easy labelling system... this is one case where im going to settle with majority rules ~;)
I have to be honest though when i was a little un i was rather confused by the whole calling them blacks when many of them have far lighter skin than what you would think of as black skin... i think a little later i realised the whole white thing was a little off as well...
I think the main problem is where we identified races as colours, so anyone with quite dark skin that doesn't go into any of the other groups gets easily misidentified as black... though i suppose even if we had a fancy name instead of black if would be the distinguishing feature people would use to identify blacks anyway...
You do see what I mean though? You get confused because they are a little darker...than what? Than white people? Are they the standard? Why is it not that when you see someone like Obama you get confused because he is so white and call him a white person? Because he does not look like he is fully white? Guess what? He doesn't look like he is fully black either. I understand the ease of the terms, but it is very racist to hold whites as the standard and everything else as a deviant of that standard.
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You do see what I mean though? You get confused because they are a little darker...than what? Than white people?
Well TBH i would say there are 'tipping points' from very pale to a slightly darkish tan is white, from a slight tan to a dark tan is half cast and anywhere from a meduimish tan to a very dark tan is black. As you can see they overlap quite a bit so a half cast can look as dark as a black man (or the other way around) and some white people can tan very well and look black...
It doesn't nessecarily involve holding whites as the standard, i say more like a pale white is the standard for white a dark black is the standard for black and we make judgement calls about everything in between based on what colour it looks closer to...
I do understand your point, and can see why you think its a problem but i think its overstated...
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TBH I am just going with the flow, everyone I've seen on the media, whether white or black, has called Obama black. I don't see why it's negative to call him black either.
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One tangent too far.
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