Nusantara : Total War

another question.

what kind of ship we use? pinisi, Jung Jawa, Jung Borobudur or jukung?

We'll think about it later... as we could use Roman ships for placeholder.... Ships is just eye candy then.... and when it was inluded, maybe it will look much like EB System of ships (extremely exspensive, because 1 ship means one full armada)

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We'll think about it later... as we could use Roman ships for placeholder.... Ships is just eye candy then.... and when it was inluded, maybe it will look much like EB System of ships (extremely exspensive, because 1 ship means one full armada)

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I think we won't use that system... paying exspensive upkeep for one armada just to shipping some small troops? meh.... I will made some variants of indonesian ships, with cheaper upkeep... so expect ship spamming and port blocade often... :devil:

guys, I don't know if you still need this or not. its worth to read. maybe we can use it for aceh commander trait.
http://www.wacananusantara.org/4/60/...ceh-darussalam

Sonic allready have it... :oops:

BTW, what we lack is the information about Pajajaran military units, even the text didn't mention what weapons that their militias and regulars carry.... :yes: you should help to search that (aceh, Malaka, and Jawa are allready full blown with unit lists... but Central Sumateran and Pajajaran are few)

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Sonic allready have it... :oops:

BTW, what we lack is the information about Pajajaran military units, even the text didn't mention what weapons that their militias and regulars carry.... :yes: you should help to search that (aceh, Malaka, and Jawa are allready full blown with unit lists... but Central Sumateran and Pajajaran are few)

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from my research of pajajaran unit:

-Pasukan Gajah Siliwangi (Some called it "Pasukan Gajah Putih Siliwangi")

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Menurut sumber Portugis, di seluruh kerajaan, Pajajaran memiliki kira-kira 100.000 prajurit. Raja sendiri memiliki pasukan gajah sebanyak 40 ekor. Di laut, Pajajaran hanya memiliki enam buah Kapal Jung 150 ton dan beberaa lankaras (?) untuk kepentingan perdagangan antar-pulaunya (saat itu perdagangan kuda jenis Pariaman mencapai 4000 ekor/tahun).

-Pasukan Kuda Windu
special cavalry unit. riding Kuda windu, an unique horse. smaller than ordinary horse but faster

-Pasukan Belamati Pajajaran

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Namun, pengetahuan masa lalu, siapa yang tahu secara persis. Taktik tempur Pajajaran yang kabarnya dimiliki oleh seribu anggota Pasukan Belamati Pajajaran, secara turun-temurun (terakhir dipunyai Dipati Ukur dan H. Prawatasari), tidak dicatat di kitab kuno yang kemudian jadi rebutan para pendekar seperti laiknya cerita-cerita silat karya Kho Ping Hoo.

-Baladia Onom Galuh
mystical betrayer army (similar to dead man of dunharrow on LOTR).
maybe we can make this as AOR UNIT.


for picture, I haven't found any picture. but we may use Nusantara online character :laugh4:.

Pajajaran war equipment:
-Golok
-Tumbak
-Panah
-Kujang kuntul (used only by patih)
-Keris

sorry for triple post, I can't edit my post.

I heard Museum Bumi Alit at Ciamis have good collection of Pajajaran artifact.

Yeah, it seems that you've got several pajajaran literatures... so maybe you should reccomend, what kind of weapons did their levies usually use...

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Yeah, it seems that you've got several pajajaran literatures... so maybe you should reccomend, what kind of weapons did their levies usually use...

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Yeah I'm still looking for that. I just knew several weapon used in combat, but I haven't found for equipment of every unit.

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Yeah, it seems that you've got several pajajaran literatures... so maybe you should reccomend, what kind of weapons did their levies usually use...

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I found this, few description from Museum Bumi Alit Artifact:

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1. Pedang, cinderamata dari Baginda Ali RA, sebagai senjata yang digunakan untuk pembela diri dalam rangka menyebarluaskan agama Islam.

2. Cis, sebagai kelengkapan dalam berdakwah atau berkhutbah dalam rangka menyebarluaskan ajaran agama Islam.

3. Keris Komando, senjata yang digunakan oleh Raja Panjalu sebagai penanda kedudukan bahwa ia seorang Raja Panjalu.

4. Keris, sebagai pegangan para Bupati Panjalu.

5. Pancaworo, digunakan sebagai senjata perang pada zaman dahulu.

6. Bangreng, digunakan sebagai senjata perang pada zaman dahulu.

7. Gong kecil, digunakan sebagai alat untuk mengumpulkan rakyat pada zaman dahulu.

8. Kujang, senjata perang khas Sunda peninggalan seorang petapa sakti bernama Pendita Gunawisesa Wiku Trenggana (Aki Garahang) yang diturunkan kepada para Raja Panjalu.

ADD Pajajaran Troops:

Pajajaran Music corps, Supporting army morale

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Dikenal oleh masyarakat sunda sejak masih memeluk agama Hindu dan pada masa kerajaan padjadjaran saat itu angklung di gunakan sebagai tanda waktu sembahyang dan pada masa jaman kerajaan Padjadjaran, kemudian di gunakan oleh kerajaan Padjadjaran sebagai instrument musik pada korps musik saat perang Bubat.

Fungsi angklung sebagai pemompa semangat rakyat masih terus terasa sampai pada masa penjajahan, itu sebabnya pemerintah hindia belanda sempat melarang masyarakat menggunakan angklung, pelarangan itu sempat membuat popularitas angklung menurun dan hanya di mainkan oleh anak- anak pada waktu itu.(kompas,tanggal 9 november 2007, halaman 14 kolom 7)Daimond 12:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Wah kereen nih bro....

sayang gw gak ngerti ..ikut memantau bro...:wall:

bro Bugis kingdom of Bone why not made separately with Gowa makasar bro??

sorry, my bad english..hhh

Modeler needs more pictoral references!

Guys, do you know what is this weapon (the lowest)

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http://wb8.itrademarket.com/pdimage/...7_pict0246.jpg

I'm little suspicious about it shape. it looks like kujang. and from the web where I found this image says

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This product is some of souvenir from Sunda ( west Java)...

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if this is true, maybe we can use this for Pajajaran army weaponry.

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Modeler needs more pictoral references!

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Wait for a bit Wlesmana :sweatdrop:

I still fed up with the final project (lagi TA gt loh...)

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Wait for a bit Wlesmana :sweatdrop:

I still fed up with the final project (lagi TA gt loh...)

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Bukannya TA lu tinggal cek SEM, terus impregnasi ion kedalam katalisnya? Cepet kerjain :whip:

Semoga sukses :2thumbsup:

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Bukannya TA lu tinggal cek SEM, terus impregnasi ion kedalam katalisnya? Cepet kerjain :whip:

Semoga sukses :2thumbsup:

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Jiah.... jangan ngomongin TA Gw disini :furious3: :oops: :laugh4:

Ntar... gw kalau udah beres ngurusin karakterisasinya gw gambar unit unitnya dah....

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Jiah.... jangan ngomongin TA Gw disini :furious3: :oops: :laugh4:

Ntar... gw kalau udah beres ngurusin karakterisasinya gw gambar unit unitnya dah....

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And stop whinning... start drawing! :whip:

another Pajajaran Unit.
Ka Satrya Puragabaya, elit force of Pajajaran

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...yakni Puragabaya. Mereka adalah para ksatria pilihan yang terdiri dari para putra bangsawan Pajajaran yang disiapkan menjadi pengawal pribadi para pejabat kerajaan....

Gambar Puragabaya by me

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https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9606/dsc00142id.jpg

sorry for the pic. here.

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https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9606/dsc00142id.jpg

Did you sure they not wearing some kind of armour? Even Javanese militia cavalry wear a simple metal breastplate and armguards...... Nice concept BTW :thumbsup:

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Did you sure they not wearing some kind of armour? Even Javanese militia cavalry wear a simple metal breastplate and armguards...... Nice concept BTW :thumbsup:

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I'm not sure too. many literature said Pajajaran army very relying on martial art. so I think they doesn't need armor and shield. their speed is their armor.

I draw it based on these
https://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7415/gambark.jpg

Hmm.... so in game terms of RTW-BI... they will be high skill, high damage, 2 hp units...

Wait for a moment... are you sure they didn't use any amour? (Tommorow, I'll go to Braga and check Kantor Pusat Budaya again....)

EDIT:

And for the Militia (which I'm sure still made the bulk of their army)... Sonic recently told me that their militia units are not armed with spears, but swords.... could you clarify that?

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Hmm.... so in game terms of RTW-BI... they will be high skill, high damage, 2 hp units...

Wait for a moment... are you sure they didn't use any amour? (Tommorow, I'll go to Braga and check Kantor Pusat Budaya again....)
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I'm not sure?:no: Shield and armor might be used for some unit. but since they were noble solider, they must be have very high skill.
btw, we should visit some museum like Geusan Ulun and Bumi Alit.

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...
EDIT:

And for the Militia (which I'm sure still made the bulk of their army)... Sonic recently told me that their militia units are not armed with spears, but swords.... could you clarify that?

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since militia just a citizen, maybe They use Golok. for sunda culture we can call them Jawara instead of militia.

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since militia just a citizen, maybe They use Golok. for sunda culture we can call them Jawara instead of militia.

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They just carrying golok... and not Bow?

*. Javanese militia carry bow and golok... you can look my concept art several pages earlier.. they are mentioned as Jogo Karyo (literally "hansip"-Penjaga keamanan-Security Guards)...
If they also carry bows, we could use shared model for them....

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They just carrying golok... and not Bow?

*. Javanese militia carry bow and golok... you can look my concept art several pages earlier.. they are mentioned as Jogo Karyo (literally "hansip"-Penjaga keamanan-Security Guards)...
If they also carry bows, we could use shared model for them....

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As far as I know, Pajajaran separate Archer and Sword. I have to do more research on this.

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As far as I know, Pajajaran separate Archer and Sword. I have to do more research on this.

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Hmm.... (sending an SMS to sonic)

Tommorow, we'll (hope to) update the unit lists again...

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Hmm.... (sending an SMS to sonic)

Tommorow, we'll (hope to) update the unit lists again...

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good.:2thumbsup: any other question?

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sorry for the pic. here.

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https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9606/dsc00142id.jpg

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EDIT: My bad, Their spear was Kujang not Keris. sorry:wall:

do you need some description for pajajaran unit?

Yeah... sonic says he'll give the lists he made tommorow....

Ok, I just found other unit from Sanghyang siksakandang karesian. it written:

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...Dan perihatikanlah mereka yang dapat ditiru: mantri, gusti yang terkemuka, bayangkara yang menghadap, pangalasan. juru lukis, pandai besi. ahli kulit, dalang wayang, pembuat gamelan, pemain sandiwara, pelawak, peladang. penyadap. penyawah, penyapu. bela mati, juru moha, barat katiga, prajurit, pemanah, pemarang, petugas dasa dan penangkap ikan, juru selam dan segala macam pekerjaan. Semua setia kepada tugas untuk raja, itu semua patut ditiru sebab mereka melakukan tapan dalam negara...

...Segala macam hasil tempaan, ada tiga macam yang berbeda. Senjata sang prabu ialah: pedang, abet (pecut), pamuk, golok, peso teundeut, keris. Raksasa yang dijadikan dewanya, karena digunakan untuk membunuh. Senjata orang tani ialah: kujang. baliung. patik, kored, pisau sadap. Detya yang dijadikan dewanya, karena digunakan untuk mengambil apa yang dapat dikecap dan diminum. Senjata sang pendeta ialah: kala katri, peso raut, peso dongdang, pangot, pakisi. Danawa yang dijadikan dewanya, karena digunakan untuk mengerat segala sesuatu, Itulah ketiga jenis senjata yang berbeda pada sang prebu, pada petani, pada pendeta. Demikianlah bila kita ingin tahu semuanya, tanyalah pandai besi...

so, total unit I got:

Puragabaya: Elite royal Guard. most powerful unit I think.
weapon: tumbak and pedang
defensive: cloth, Kanuragan, martial art.

Pamanah: archer
weapon: Bow and arrow.
defensive: still unknown

Prajurit: standard soldier
weapon: Tumbak or Pedang.
defensive: Shield

Militia: citizen
weapon: bedog, baliung, Kujang bangkong.
defensive: none

(Mercenary)Jawara: mercenary champion
Weapon: golok
defensive: Martial art

Hulu Jurit: General
weapon: pedang, abet (pecut), pamuk, golok, peso teundeut, keris
defensive: unknown

Kuda windu: Cavalry unit
weapon: unsure, But looks like they use Tumbak and Sword.
defensive: unknown

Pasukan Gajah Siliwangi: Elephant cavalry
weapon: arrow, elephant's ivory.
defensive: unknown

Balamati Pajajaran: elite guard
Weapon: Pedang and Tumbak
defensive: (unsure) shield

but if able, could you add these?

(Mercenary) Baladia Onom Galuh: Mystical Betrayer army
weapon: various
defensive: since they were spirit, so...

Pasukan Angklung: morale support troops
weapon: Angklung music
defensive: none

Hmm... but CW said you named Pajajaran militia "Jawara"..... and with the info that they are sword armed... I think about made a "Supperior militia"... how about it?

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Hmm... but CW said you named Pajajaran militia "Jawara"..... and with the info that they are sword armed... I think about made a "Supperior militia"... how about it?

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Ok, Thats better. Separate Jawara and Militia. I named Militia "Jawara". because Jawara is citizen, but have fighting skill.:2thumbsup:

So, what is their "militia" name? I'm sure we can't just place Indonesian - "Milisi Sunda" as a name, because Javanese militia got proper Javanese name (kalo melayu kita masih bisa ngeles dikit, tapi sunda dan Jawa itu sangat beda tata bahasanya)

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So, what is their "militia" name? I'm sure we can't just place Indonesian - "Milisi Sunda" as a name, because Javanese militia got proper Javanese name (kalo melayu kita masih bisa ngeles dikit, tapi sunda dan Jawa itu sangat beda tata bahasanya)

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What is their Javanese name? Sunda dan Jawa yang sekarang memang sangat beda. tapi Sunda Kuna banyak memiliki kemiripan dengan Kawi. karena keduanya berakar pada sanskerta.

but seriously, I don't found any literature that said citizen recruited, armed and send to war. all of their soldier seems well trained.

Masalahnya adalah "Jogo Karyo" - Milisi Jawa.... bawaanya golok + panah.... gt... kata lu cuman bawa golok doang....

http://www.kaskus.us/images/smilies/ngakak.gif

- Lagi ngaskus

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Masalahnya adalah "Jogo Karyo" - Milisi Jawa.... bawaanya golok + panah.... gt... kata lu cuman bawa golok doang....

http://www.kaskus.us/images/smilies/ngakak.gif

- Lagi ngaskus

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kalau yang dinamakan "militia" itu warga biasa yang dikirim ke medan tempur. sampai sekarang saya belum nemu itu catetannya warga sipil dikirim untuk bertempur. paling deket itu catetan tentang para jawara. mereka sih cuman petarung biasa yang kebetulan ikut perang kalau menyangkut kepentingan mereka atau dibayar. mangkanya saya tulis "mercenary".

soal "militia" alias relawan belum nemu bukti hisorisnya (untuk pajajaran) jadi kalau pun ada mereka bawanya Golok. karena setiap senjata itu ada aturan pemakainya tidak sembarang orang boleh pakai kujang atau lainnya (baca sanghyang siksakandang karesian). untuk warga sipil itu golok. paling jauh juga kujang, itu pun hanya kujang bangkong. jarang orang sipil yang punya kemampuan memanah yang masuk standar berperang. paling kemampuan memanah mereka rata-rata cuma cukup untuk berburu.

pedang, panah dan tumbak itu hanya digunakan orang militer.

PAJAJARAN UNIT UPDATE:

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Light Infantry:

-(existence doubted)Militia: citizen
weapon: bedog, baliung, Kujang bangkong.
defensive: none

-(Mercenary)Jawara: mercenary champion
Weapon: golok
defensive: Martial art
description: They are skilled fighter of their village. learning various deadly martial art make them an useful mercenary. their weapon, Golok is a short broad sword useful for cutting off enemy.

Heavy Infantry:

-Ka Satrya Puragabaya: Elite Feudal Army.
weapon: tumbak and pedang
defensive: cloth, Kanuragan, martial art.
description:Being a Puragabaya is a great honor. Puragabaya have a noble position among the communities. A Puragabaya combine nobleness, strength and eloquence of religion in him. Puragabaya a chosen young man who was appointed from among the nobility who have morals and manners of a noble and excellent physical ability. In order to become a Puragabaya must go through very heavy and difficult stages. Puragabaya required a simple life, living in a hermitage in the middle of the jungle, face exercises are the stakes are life. In addition to studying kanuragan art and martial art, Puragabaya also equipped with the religious knowledge. So a Puragabaya besides having very powerful and dangerous kanuragan, also has a high proficiency in religion.

-Pajurit Balamati Pajajaran: Elite Palace Guard
Weapon: Tumbak (standard weapon for guard) and Pedang
defensive: (unsure) shield.
Description: These are backbone of Pajajaran Military. secret recipes of the "Never-Defeated Pajajaran". Balamati is a great army numbered a thousand men. Their job is palace security and safety of the king as well as his officer and his relatives. As a Pajajaran royal bodyguard, Balamati vow to protect the honor of Pajajaran to death. Their oath has been proven in Bubat incident. They have some kind of attack that could break enemy chest, known as Sentak Dulang

-Pajurit: standard soldier
weapon: Pedang.
defensive: Shield

Missile Infantry:

-Pamanah: archer
weapon: Bow and arrow.
defensive: still unknown


Officer:

-Hulu Jurit: General
weapon: pedang, abet (pecut), pamuk, golok, peso teundeut, keris
defensive: unknown

Cavalry:

Kuda windu (removed, because it was Cirebon army)

-Pajurit Gajah Siliwangi: Elephant cavalry
weapon: arrow, elephant's ivory.
defensive: unknown



Suggestion:

-(Mercenary) Baladia Onom Galuh: Mystical Betrayer army
weapon: various
defensive: since they were spirit, so...

-Pajurit Angklung: morale support troops
weapon: Angklung music
defensive: none

That's all for now. this list will be updated as soon as I found more information.:book:

Also, the dutch translations are at the Portuguese Invasion thread.

PAJAJARAN UNIT UPDATE:
just find another unit

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Light Infantry:

-Pamarang: Soldier
weapon: Pedang
Defensive: unknown

-(existence doubted)Militia: citizen
weapon: bedog, baliung, Kujang bangkong.
defensive: none

-(Mercenary)Jawara: mercenary champion
Weapon: golok
defensive: Martial art
description: They are skilled fighter of their village. learning various deadly martial art make them an useful mercenary. their weapon, Golok is a short broad sword useful for cutting off enemy.

Heavy Infantry:

-Ka Satrya Puragabaya: Elite Feudal Army.
weapon: tumbak and pedang
defensive: cloth, Kanuragan, martial art.
description:Being a Puragabaya is a great honor. Puragabaya have a noble position among the communities. A Puragabaya combine nobleness, strength and eloquence of religion in him. Puragabaya a chosen young man who was appointed from among the nobility who have morals and manners of a noble and excellent physical ability. In order to become a Puragabaya must go through very heavy and difficult stages. Puragabaya required a simple life, living in a hermitage in the middle of the jungle, face exercises are the stakes are life. In addition to studying kanuragan art and martial art, Puragabaya also equipped with the religious knowledge. So a Puragabaya besides having very powerful and dangerous kanuragan, also has a high proficiency in religion.

-Pajurit Balamati Pajajaran: Elite Palace Guard
Weapon: Tumbak (standard weapon for guard) and Pedang
defensive: (unsure) shield.
Description: These are backbone of Pajajaran Military. secret recipes of the "Never-Defeated Pajajaran". Balamati is a great army numbered a thousand men. Their job is palace security and safety of the king as well as his officer and his relatives. As a Pajajaran royal bodyguard, Balamati vow to protect the honor of Pajajaran to death. Their oath has been proven in Bubat incident. They have some kind of attack that could break enemy chest, known as Sentak Dulang

-Pajurit: standard soldier
weapon: Pedang.
defensive: Shield

Missile Infantry:

-Pamanah: archer
weapon: Bow and arrow.
defensive: still unknown


Officer:

-Hulu Jurit: General
weapon: pedang, abet (pecut), pamuk, golok, peso teundeut, keris
defensive: unknown

Cavalry:

Kuda windu (removed, because it was Cirebon army)

-Pajurit Gajah Siliwangi: Elephant cavalry
weapon: arrow, elephant's ivory.
defensive: unknown



Suggestion:

-(Mercenary) Baladia Onom Galuh: Mystical Betrayer army
weapon: various
defensive: since they were spirit, so...

-Pajurit Angklung: morale support troops
weapon: Angklung music
defensive: none

That's all for now. this list will be updated as soon as I found more information.:book:

Hmm... you better check at the forge, Portugese invasion thread... I've uploaded final faction symbols...

And now... I want you all to help with Elephant prices... hmm... how much is elephant price now? anyone knows? :help:

again, UNIT UPDATE
I bold new update. so you could easily notice it.

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Light Infantry:

-Pajurit: standard soldier
weapon: Pedang.
defensive: Shield

Bayangkara: standard Guards
weapon: standard Tumbak
defensive: shield
They are Pajajaran law enforcer. trained to face criminal. they are also a palace guard. altough their name was similar to Majapahit's Bhayangkara, they are very different. They are more Police than Soldier.

-(existence doubted)Militia: citizen
weapon: bedog, baliung, Kujang bangkong.
defensive: none

-(Mercenary)Jawara: mercenary champion
Weapon: golok
defensive: Martial art
They are skilled fighter of their village. learning various deadly martial art make them an useful mercenary. their weapon, Golok is a short broad sword useful for cutting off enemy.

Heavy Infantry:

-Ka Satrya Puragabaya: Elite Feudal Army.
weapon: tumbak and pedang
defensive: cloth, Kanuragan, martial art.
Being a Puragabaya is a great honor. Puragabaya have a noble position among the communities. A Puragabaya combine nobleness, strength and eloquence of religion in him. Puragabaya a chosen young man who was appointed from among the nobility who have morals and manners of a noble and excellent physical ability. In order to become a Puragabaya must go through very heavy and difficult stages. Puragabaya required a simple life, living in a hermitage in the middle of the jungle, face exercises are the stakes are life. In addition to studying kanuragan art and martial art, Puragabaya also equipped with the religious knowledge. So a Puragabaya besides having very powerful and dangerous kanuragan, also has a high proficiency in religion.

-Pajurit Balamati Pajajaran: Elite Palace Guard
Weapon: Tumbak (standard weapon for guard) and Pedang
defensive: shield.
Description: These are backbone of Pajajaran Military. secret recipes of the "Never-Defeated Pajajaran". Balamati is a great army numbered a thousand men. Their job is palace security and safety of the king as well as his officer and his relatives. As a Pajajaran royal bodyguard, Balamati vow to protect the honor of Pajajaran to death. Their oath has been proven in Bubat incident. They have some kind of attack that could break enemy chest, known as Sentak Dulang

-Pamarang: Soldier
weapon: Pedang
Defensive: Shield


Missile Infantry:

-Pamanah: archer
weapon: Bow and arrow. also golok
defensive: still unknown. probably, none


Officer:

-Hulu Jurit: General
weapon: pedang, abet (pecut), pamuk, golok, peso teundeut, keris
defensive: His Balamati

Cavalry:

Kuda windu (removed, because it was Cirebon army)

-Pajurit Gajah Siliwangi: Elephant cavalry
weapon: arrow, elephant's ivory.
defensive: unknown

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Suggestion:

-(Mercenary) Baladia Onom Galuh: Mystical Betrayer army
weapon: various
defensive: since they were spirit, so...

-Pajurit Angklung: morale support troops
weapon: Angklung music
defensive: none

note:-please don't get confused between Pedang(Sword), Bedog(cutting tool) and Golok(short sword).
-Pajurit is Sunda Kuna for Army.

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And now... I want you all to help with Elephant prices... hmm... how much is elephant price now? anyone knows? :help:

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I've no Idea about that.:shame:. I think it should be most expensive cavalry in faction.

Plutoboyz.... Bhayangkara is Majapahit Elite guards... Pajajaran didn't have them I think.... EDIT : Could you give more explaination to us? :sweatdrop:

Majapahit Bhayangkara is named from Bhayang (Shadow - bayangan), Kara (Core - pusat).... and was made into active militar unit, s well as secret police, by Gajahmada

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I've no Idea about that.:shame:. I think it should be most expensive cavalry in faction.

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Yeah... but how expensive? Did you think 10 horse is worth 1 Elephants?

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Plutoboyz.... Bhayangkara is Majapahit Elite guards... Pajajaran didn't have them I think.... EDIT : Could you give more explaination to us? :sweatdrop:

Majapahit Bhayangkara is named from Bhayang (Shadow - bayangan), Kara (Core - pusat).... and was made into active militar unit, s well as secret police, by Gajahmada...

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they have, but different with Majapahit's Bhayangkara.
Source: Naskah Sanghyang Siksakandang Karesian
original:

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Deung maka ilik-ilik dina turutaneun: mantri gusti kaasa-asa, bayangkara nu marek, pangalasan, juru lukis, pande dang, pande mas, pande gelang, pande wesi, guru wida(ng). medu, wayang, kumbang gending, tapukan, banyolan, pahuma, panyadap, panyawah, panyapu, bela mati, juru moha, barat katiga, pajurit, pamanah, pam(a)rang, pangurang dasa calagara, rare angon, pacelengan, pakotokan, palika, preteuleum, sing sawatek guna, Aya ma satya di guna di kahulunan. Eta kehna turutaneun kena eta ngawakan tapa di nagara.

Translated(Indonesia)

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Dan perihatikanlah mereka yang dapat ditiru: mantri, gusti yang terkemuka, bayangkara yang menghadap, pangalasan. juru lukis, pandai besi. ahli kulit, dalang wayang, pembuat gamelan, pemain sandiwara, pelawak, peladang. penyadap. penyawah, penyapu. bela mati, juru moha, barat katiga, prajurit, pemanah, pemarang, petugas dasa dan penangkap ikan, juru selam dan segala macam pekerjaan. Semua setia kepada tugas untuk raja, itu semua patut ditiru sebab mereka melakukan tapan dalam negara,

I bold military unit

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Yeah... but how expensive? Did you think 10 horse is worth 1 Elephants?

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hmm... too much I think. 5 horse for 1 elephant is good.

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Majapahit Bhayangkara is named from Bhayang (Shadow - bayangan), Kara (Core - pusat).... and was made into active militar unit, s well as secret police, by Gajahmada...

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wow, GESTAPO

Good... so we have 2 unit with similar name.... maybe I suggest naming Majapahit Elite Guards :Bhayangkarapraja instead... because praja suffix means military cadet

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wow, GESTAPO

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No, they are a standing military unit with authority after several counter intelligence issues, much like kopassus

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Good... so we have 2 unit with similar name.... maybe I suggest naming Majapahit Elite Guards :Bhayangkarapraja instead... because praja suffix means military cadet

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Hmm... maybe -praja suffix is somewhat misleading with STPDN :laugh4: the sundanese Bhayangkara more deserve -praja suffix..... just kidding :clown:

Well, now seriously... adding -praja suffix for differentiating units is somewhat... made ahistorical additions... but in the sake of not confusing non-indonesian players, maybe we can add that... this is the first alternative...

But I have a second alternative, maybe we could search for "Bhayangkara" synonims in sundanese... it was way bit better...

Or Third Alternative... made the Majapahit Bhayangkara bodyguard unit (instead of Kraton Guards aka // Panjagan Njeron), so they could legally named "Punggawa Bhayangkara"

Bayangkara for Pajajaran
Bhayangkara for Majapahit

how about that?

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Bayangkara for Pajajaran
Bhayangkara for Majapahit

how about that?

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Bayangkara = Pajajaran Regional security militia

Bhayangkara = Majapahit Elite Guards

---- Bedanya cuman pake BH apa ngga.... :laugh4: APPROVED!!!

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Bayangkara = Pajajaran Regional security militia

Bhayangkara = Majapahit Elite Guards

---- Bedanya cuman pake BH apa ngga.... :laugh4: APPROVED!!!

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memang aslinya gitu, bedanya di konsonan awal ama kelas. coba aja baca naskahnya.

btw, how about BGM? use default? or modify it too?

For our first relase, we'll use default music... we'll think about BGM later

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For our first relase, we'll use default music... we'll think about BGM later

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No... we will use Mak Lampir, Kuntilanak, and another mystery films soundtracks... as well as Lingsir wengi... as we secretly planned :devil: :skull:

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No... we will use Mak Lampir, Kuntilanak, and another mystery films soundtracks... as well as Lingsir wengi... as we secretly planned :devil: :skull:

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so, we'll use some kind of "Indosiar-snake-guy-sinetron" BGM.:laugh4:

btw, degung? no? or other traditional music?

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degung? no?

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Well... maybe for the first relase... we won't actually include any music... (Now I am serious)
Because it wasn't our priority

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Well... maybe for the first relase... we won't actually include any music... (Now I am serious)
Because it wasn't our priority

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ok, now lets forget music.

about our mods, how the progress? what we need except Modeler and skinners?

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ok, now lets forget music.

about our mods, how the progress? what we need except Modeler and skinners?

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Nothing except modellers and skinners :grin:

I have made the map, and sonic is the scripters...

Seriously... we just need modellers and skinners this time, as all is allready has someone who can doing that except modelling

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Nothing except modellers and skinners :grin:

I have made the map, and sonic is the scripters...

Seriously... we just need modellers and skinners this time, as all is allready has someone who can doing that except modelling

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so we stuck here.....:wall:...

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so we stuck here.....:wall:...

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Don't say that... I just announce vacancy thread at TWC... maybe we'll get some modellers afterwards (if there was no skinners, I can skin myself... but I still learning about using 3DS max.... )

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Don't say that... I just announce vacancy thread at TWC... maybe we'll get some modellers afterwards (if there was no skinners, I can skin myself... but I still learning about using 3DS max.... )

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good!:2thumbsup: hope we got replies there..

Hey guys... I have to resign from the team. Sorry about this, my results came out on Monday, and... well. You know the rest. :skull: Can probably make it again after May, if you guys still need any help by then. :no:

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Hey guys... I have to resign from the team. Sorry about this, my results came out on Monday, and... well. You know the rest. :skull: Can probably make it again after May, if you guys still need any help by then. :no:

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Don't worry then... :2thumbsup: thanks for all your input before Quirinus.. the four month before may is our modelling and skinning job (still need modellers though), and our historical research is only need to be cross verified once again (all historical research is done) Many thanks :bow:

Anyone knows Signifier One's account / username here? I PM him at TWC, asking for permission using his animation pack (as I Currently working with 3ds max, trying to create some units with vanilla anim, but found out that several unit needs specific animation, so we want to include his animation pack)

but he doesn't reply yet

:sweatdrop:I thought it would be unfair if European got fancy and shiny faction logo while Nusantara faction not so I fix it, to make it equal and fashionable.

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https://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1305/aceh.png
https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2259/malaka.png

https://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9938/sriwijaya.png
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/89...ijayahindu.png

https://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4117/pajajaran.png
https://img714.imageshack.us/img714/731/bintara.png
https://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1408/majapahit.png

note:
-I've no Idea how to fix Bintara's logo. it shape so unclear?
-I'm little suspicious, why only majapahit got clean logo while other got Jagged-edge logo.:laugh4:

What do you think?

also, do you still need Pajajaran unit concept? if you need I'll upload them soon.

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-I've no Idea how to fix Bintara's logo. it shape so unclear?
-I'm little suspicious, why only majapahit got clean logo while other got Jagged-edge logo.

also, do you still need Pajajaran unit concept? if you need I'll upload them soon.

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1)Bintara's logo are taken from the Royal Stamp of Demak, taken from signature in the front of Mesjid agung demak's door. The Majapahit logo are the only one I has made in Corel :laugh4:, as the other logo is simply photoshop-work of copypasta and simple filling of PHOTO (thanks for refining.... BTW)


2) Maybe their cav, or I just give some cav from another jawa army?

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2) Maybe their cav, or I just give some cav from another jawa army?

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that the problem... I haven't had cavalry description. so far I only know that Puragabaya also fight mounted.

https://img25.imageshack.us/img25/731/bintara.png

Update: Bintara faction logo.

What about texturing some logos?

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Anyone knows Signifier One's account / username here? I PM him at TWC, asking for permission using his animation pack (as I Currently working with 3ds max, trying to create some units with vanilla anim, but found out that several unit needs specific animation, so we want to include his animation pack)

but he doesn't reply yet

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Just get his permission today... so we can start work arround with models at 3ds max, using his animation pack as reference skleton set

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What about texturing some logos?

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Hmm... maybe we should keep logo uniform this time....

I hope This is Final.
Unit concept also already finished. just waiting my friend's scanner.

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Light Infantry:

-Pajurit: standard soldier
weapon: Pedang.
defensive: Shield

Bayangkara: standard Guards
weapon: Tumbak
defensive: shield
They are Pajajaran law enforcer. trained to face criminal. they are also a palace guard. altough their name was similar to Majapahit's Bhayangkara, they are very different. They are more Police than Soldier.

-(existence doubted)Militia: citizen
weapon: bedog, baliung, Kujang bangkong.
defensive: none

-(Mercenary)Jawara: mercenary champion
Weapon: golok
defensive: Martial art
They are skilled fighter of their village. learning various deadly martial art make them an useful mercenary. their weapon, Golok is a short broad sword useful for cutting off enemy.

Heavy Infantry:

-Ka Satrya Puragabaya: Elite Feudal Army.
weapon: Kujang Pangarak and pedang
defensive: cloth, Kanuragan, martial art.
Being a Puragabaya is a great honor. Puragabaya have a noble position among the communities. A Puragabaya combine nobleness, strength and eloquence of religion in him. Puragabaya a chosen young man who was appointed from among the nobility who have morals and manners of a noble and excellent physical ability. In order to become a Puragabaya must go through very heavy and difficult stages. Puragabaya required a simple life, living in a hermitage in the middle of the jungle, face exercises are the stakes are life. In addition to studying kanuragan art and martial art, Puragabaya also equipped with the religious knowledge. So a Puragabaya besides having very powerful and dangerous kanuragan, also has a high proficiency in religion.

-Pajurit Balamati Pajajaran: Elite Palace Guard
Weapon:Kujang Pangarak and Pedang
defensive: shield.
Description: These are backbone of Pajajaran Military. secret recipes of the "Never-Defeated Pajajaran". Balamati is a great army numbered a thousand men. Their job is palace security and safety of the king as well as his officer and his relatives. As a Pajajaran royal bodyguard, Balamati vow to protect the honor of Pajajaran to death. Their oath has been proven in Bubat incident. They have some kind of attack that could break enemy chest, known as Sentak Dulang

-Pamarang: Soldier
weapon: Pedang
Defensive: Shield


Missile Infantry:

-Pamanah: archer
weapon: Bow and arrow. also golok
defensive: still unknown. probably, none


Officer:

-Hulu Jurit: General
weapon: pedang, abet (pecut), pamuk, golok, peso teundeut, keris
defensive: His Balamati

Cavalry:

-Kuda windu (removed, because it was Cirebon army)

-Ka Satrya Kuda Puragabaya: Mounted Elite Feudal Army.
weapon:n Kujang Pangarak and pedang
defensive: cloth, Kanuragan, martial art.

-Pajurit Gajah Siliwangi: Elephant cavalry
weapon: arrow, elephant's ivory.
defensive: unknown

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Hmmm.... we're waiting for the scans! :2thumbsup:
BTW, I and CW are separated until next week (I Was at Cirebon now, and he in Bandung), so maybe we'll update this thread about next week.

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Hmmm.... we're waiting for the scans! :2thumbsup:
BTW, I and CW are separated until next week (I Was at Cirebon now, and he in Bandung), so maybe we'll update this thread about next week.

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Here the scans, as promised.
PS: I forget to draw Jawara and Pajurit Gajah:shame:

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-Puragabaya, 90% accurate
https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/...g007resize.jpg
-Balamati, 95% accurate
https://img638.imageshack.us/img638/56/img008resize.jpg
-Bayangkara, 90% accurate
https://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9584/img003resize.jpg
-Pamanah, 90% accurate
https://img713.imageshack.us/img713/...6resizehgj.jpg
-Pamarang, 90% accurate
https://img197.imageshack.us/img197/...g004resize.jpg
-Mounted Puragabaya, 90% accurate
https://img163.imageshack.us/img163/...g005resize.jpg

if you ask why no one 100% accurate, because I haven't found real authentic picture. all of that concept based on text description, ancient manuscript, oral tradition and archeological stuff from museum :sweatdrop:.

Just create a new forum for better managing our mod (but currently we made this forum as a "really drunken" forum....)

http://nu3tara.forumotion.net

Well, I allready made a lot of the mod concept, the final unit system (cutewolf will refine it soon), the historical research, and testing the balance system...

But now, I must withdraw myself from this mod, at least temporarily until Jul or August, as I must going to "employment practises lecture" (mata Kuliah Kerja Praktek), by going as physics (and maybe more) teacher at a highschool at mentawai. Well, actualy, that was a volunteer job because the lack of teacher there... well...

At least, next week, I will go with plane to padang, and then sail to the mentawai...

Cutewolf are allready know about this, and because of this, all the work of this mod are now all Cutewolf's authority...
I hope when I going back to Bandung, we allready had the firse relase of Nusantara : TW


Thank You very much!

sorry for slow research. I have to translate some manuscript. I just got some info from my history teacher (luckily she is Pajajaran speacialist!). Pajajaran unit armor is mostly leather armor. its concealed under clothing.

tier 1 armor: Pajurit, Bayangkara, Pamanah
-leather armguard
-leather cuirass
-wooden shield
-leather arm ring

tier 2 armor: Pamarang, Balamati
-brass armguard
-leather cuirass
-leather-covered wooden shield
-decorated brass arm ring
-leather helmet (not sure how its looks)

tier 3 armor: Puragabaya(mounted and unmounted), hulu jurit
-gold-covered iron armguard
-leather cuirass
-decorated gold-covered iron arm ring.

also, Ganesh statue are considered as guardian statue. like sphinx statue on giza. probably because he is protector God. and there are many Hindu-Siva follower. altough, Pajajaran has its own religion (Sunda wiwitan).

just asking, will Pajajaran have military reform? Jayadewata reformed Pajajaran military and also dig a trench around Pakuan. and later pajajaran have access to firearm due to Sunda-Portuguese treaty.

I propose this trait list for Pajajaran FM only.

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-Tohaan (lord)
descr: This man have known for his stragical and tactical skill. He deserve this title.
effect: +command point, +morale, +loyalty, +security


-Silihwangi (Successor of Wangi)
descr: This man have done great deeds. He is true man.
effect: +influence, +management

-Bélapati
descr: For him, running from battlefield is a disgrace. This man fight to death!
effect: +morale, +loyalty

-Sang Haji Ratu Pakuan (King) or Sri Paduka Maharaja (still king)
better we take description and effect from faction leader trait

-Ngéwa Ka Jawa (Hate Javanese, much like hate roman on EB)
descr: Due to Bubat incident, this man hate Javanese. especially Majapahit.
effect: +Morale, +command point against Majapahit

ethnicity

-Pituin (Pure Sundanese)
descr: This man are pure descendant of Sunda.
effect: +Influence, +loyalty

-Urang Cai (Water man)
descr: This man Hometown is Kawali. Capital city of Galuh
effect: +Morale

-Urang Gunung (Mountain man)
descr: This man Hometown is Pakuan. Capital city of Sunda
effect: +hitpoint

and for naming

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Name (no surname)taken from Sunda Galuh Kings

Jayadéwata
Tarusbawa
Harisdarma
Sanjaya
Tamperan
Barmawijaya
Gilingwesi
Windusakti
Limbur Kancana
Munding Ganawirya
Sri Jayabupati
Sanghyang Ageng
Darmaraja
Sang Mokténg Winduraja
Darmakusuma
Linggabuanawisésa (My fav!)
Bunisora
Susuktunggal
Surawisésa
Nilakéndra
Ragamulya
Suryakancana
Citraganda
Ragasuci
Sang Mokténg Taman
Linggadéwata
Atmayadarma
Rakeyan Kamuning
Pucukbumi
Mundinglaya
Guru Gantangan
Sang Pamanah Rasa
Cakrabuana
Walangsungsang
Sang Lumahing

Name. from known Tohaan
Jagabaya
Ratu Sangiang
Ratu Saréndét
Anepaken
Pitar

Name. from Novel
Banyak Sumba
Mandiminyak
Anggadipati
Wirapraja
Tajimaléla

and if possible, could you please make Pajajaran Monotheistic? for historical accuracy.