I really think we should kill the guy named Abstain.
He stole my present... I still remember the day...
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Umm... I mean...err
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I really think we should kill the guy named Abstain.
He stole my present... I still remember the day...
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Umm... I mean...err
I agree, lets lynch this JTH character, he sounds very dodgy to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Don't kill Johnhughthom, he will come back and snark you! :cry:
Thank you woad&fangs, I did it for you.
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4 johnhughtom (ATPG, Winston Hughes, Double A, YLC)
3 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)
3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb)
2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)
2 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades)
2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
1 Nictel (autolycus)
1 Insanious (pevergreen)
1 Skooma (Diamondeye)
1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Beskar (Secura)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
7 Abstaining (ReenkR, Glenn, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, Motep, landlubber)
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I think there is a precedent for ties being decided by the fact that a player's name or abbreviation was misspelt - better edit that AA!
Thank you for answering Double A, but surely you knew that you were making a bandwagon on another player - I doubt you are mafia, but I doubt you voted randomly.
If ATPG is being bandwagoned because of his High Profile (see glossary), please remember that strong pro-town roles are easily and stupidly wasted this way...
Otherwise I agree with those couple who were dubious of 'day 1' logic.
Also to the one who said something along the lines of "Most active on day 1 will be most likely major roles because townie PMs are sent out later" - good point but remember Chaotix' post which stated that anyone could attain their basic role from him early by sending him a message. So anyone interested in the game could justifiably be active early.
For a change, I suggest a genuine random lynch day 1. I just did a random.org and it returned "3".
vote:askthepizzaguy
Didn't stop you trying in Star Wars...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Well, that was because you was mean to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Precisely! Good thinking my man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
Vote: Seon
Unvote, Vote: Kojiro
classic name, not on the list. Cant let that happen.
Fine, Glenn, I'll go to random.org.
13.
unvote, vote: dcmort93
Vote: Beskar because he's above me on the list
unvote, vote: Double AQuote:
Originally Posted by Double A
Not that I have a lot of choice in the matter.
All this 'random' voting is a lot of pith and vinegar.
That's a highly coincedental vote for an incedental vote, Sasaki...
For what it's worth as they say, I believe Double A to innocent.
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4 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb, ATPG)
4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk, Sasaki)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)
3 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn)
2 johnhughtom (Winston Hughes, YLC)
2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)
2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
1 Nictel (autolycus)
1 Insanious (pevergreen)
1 Skooma (Diamondeye)
1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
1 Seon (DeathisYonder)
1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)
1 dcmort93 (Double A)
5 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber)
41/47 players having voted this round
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It looks like "Random.org" is 'randomly' attempting to keep the tie.
EDIT: Looking at the post count, I am going to Unvote; Vote: AKWC88 in direct obedience to a primary rule; Lynch the lurkers; since AKWC has been active since the game started but hasn't yet made an effort.
Come on round Warman and I will remove my vote.
I don't think Atpg should be in our first day tie. The man just finished running an absolutely epic game for us, the least we can do is let him play beyond the first day in the next game. Personal preference in who I like to play with in the list of people with more than one vote on them leads me to say unvote: Nictel, vote:AntiKingWarmanCake88
What are you basing that on?Quote:
For what it's worth as they say, I believe Double A to innocent.
Also please note; tie in name only. Double A has the advantage over me in that regard, since he has a free vote.
This still smells like metagaming to me. It won't break my heart to sit out a big game once in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by autolycus
I base that on my opinion his behaviour only. It isn't much, but it's more than I can say for the other candidates for lynch.
I also wouldn't like to see Double A lynched because I don't think it's possible to prove anyone guilty on day 1; I disapprove of randomly lynching someone since this directly favours the mafia; and I would prefer to see deliberate lurkers lynched.
Difficult to base an analysis on round one behavior. Only time I saw behavior-based voting on round one was the ATPG mafia. I believe Sasaki went after Jolt because of the way he reacted to pressure. I do not believe any significant pressure has been applied to anyone yet. I think such analysis will be flawed. Random has the advantage of not being biased and will utterly ignore deceptive tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I'm not sold on Double A; the only reason I am voting him is because that is the best option available to me due to the votes on myself. I would prefer to lynch a candidate which I chose based on nothing in particular; voting someone because of pressure on me is a bad choice. My other options are to ignore it, which I know will leave zero pressure on any actual mafia, or to withdraw my defense and simply accept being the D1 lynch, which I've done in the past and typically adds more to the bandwagon on myself. After lecturing others on the pointlessness of big wagons in the last game, I am loathe to put one on myself round 1 based on old habits.
Instincts tell me odds of lynching scum are lower in the current vote setup where one of the two tied parties can break the tie in his favor. There's just no way that's tactically advantageous to the town. Not much I can do about it here either, except point it out.
Well, Chaotix doesn't allow no lynch. I will keep my vote off of Pizzaguy for now.
Voting Warman or YLC instead of you still has the problem of I am only voting for them because they aren't me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
I'd much prefer to just vote for the person I legitimately picked out of a hat, and accept the consequences.
unvote, vote: Johnhughthom
Thank you for your thoughts ATPG, I admit some of my attitudes have probably rubbed from Sasaki, since he applied the same method to me in my first game of Capo II, when I was very new, impatient and antagonistic.
I agree with what you wrote, no one can disagree with someone who wants to survive, since that is the objective.
I put my vote on the candidate who is a best at mafioso trying to avoid gaining a profile and at least utterly useless to the town.
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Questions for the host: Will alignment be revealed on death; what is the result of a tie vote?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I find Double A to be useful when he's not abandoning mafia to play video games. :tongue2:
But that doesn't really have much to do with his likeliness of being guilty or not. I've grown tired of punishing lurkers for being lurkers, and lynching certain people early because "at least we won't miss them as much". That's a great way to kill off players who might have lucked out and finally gotten a good, valuable pro-town role, and then they die immediately. That's tons of fun, and also wins tons of games.
If we're going to lynch anyone it should be random or based on in-game behavior, not past game behavior.
Unvote:, Vote:Seon
I don't like abstainers. Also - see previous reasoning.
Again good points, perhaps you misunderstand my vote on Warman - it is because he is active on the forums and not here in-game, which I see as counter-productive, which is the most anti-town behaviour so far displayed. Everyone else has voted or is absent altogether from the org.
It's not personal, and the vote will be removed when he joins in.
I remain against a random vote because there is naturally a greater chance of lynching a townie than a mafioso.
I'm off for a while now, time for someone else to make waves. Thanks ATPG.
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4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk, Sasaki)
4 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus)
3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)
2 johnhughtom (Winston Hughes, ATPG)
2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)
2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
2 Seon (DeathisYonder, YLC)
1 Insanious (pevergreen)
1 Skooma (Diamondeye)
1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)
1 dcmort93 (Double A)
5 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber)
41/47 players having voted this round
What changed your mind? You're still fairly close to being lynched; so it's not due to lack of pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
fos:ATPG No one changes their vote that often this early in the game, unless they are scum.
To make things more equal...
unvote, vote: abstain
Alignments are revealed on death, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
As for tie votes: you'll have to get one and find out. :evil:
Voting abstain in this game is the same as voting present in others. In other words, it has no effect other than saving you from an early WoG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarema
O RLY?Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
YA RLYQuote:
Originally Posted by Seon
NO WAI!Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
SRSLY
It could also serve as a method of waiting. I use it as a temporary solution, it is more aestethic IMO than only unvotingQuote:
Originally Posted by Double A
You cannot possibly know the aestethicity of an action without an aestethiscope.
ANYWHO...
How long are the night phases going to be? I don't see it in the rules post. I'm assuming 24 hours like the day phase?
Vote ACIn
Outback Steakhouse is an insult to Australian Cuisine nothing in the place is Australian. Just looking at the menu makes my Australian blood boil. :P
In some cases, not changing votes is far scummier. This is one of those cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
unvote; vote: classical_hero
Unvote: Vote: ATPG
;)
This is true. I apologize for my terrible taste in food. In my defense, I am American however. I will understand if you wish to keep your vote on me and if your vote and Rebel Jeb's combined with bad luck make me the first lynch I accept full consequences due to my poor eating habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
Also, Unvote; Vote: YLC I'm not going to be 'that guy' who puts his vote on the person he is tied with so that he doesn't get killed. I'm going to be 'that guy' who makes another person tied to the lynch and has to sweat over it as well. More lulz that way imo.
I don't feel loved anymore...Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
Unvote, Vote: Double A
Hi AA!
Well this is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2530794
Here, read this first round. Tell me who was the scumbag afterward.
Name one game where a mafioso switched their vote a lot on round one. Bonus points if it was a game I was in.
So, you're claiming you're not a mafioso because you're acting in a way a mafioso would never act? Perhaps the question should "name one game where a mafioso used WIFOM in round one."Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Hi, I'm late to the party.
vote: acin
Talking about steak is useless. :smug2:
No, I'm pointing out that his theory "No one changes their vote that often this early in the game, unless they are scum" doesn't have any basis in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
There's no attempt at WIFOM in my statement, Tincow, and I know you know that.
It would be WIFOM if I had said "No mafioso would ever do that, so I must be innocent". I never said any such thing. But if someone said "only a mafioso would abstain on round one" and used that as a reason to vote for someone who abstained, and someone pointed out that such reasoning has no leg to stand on, it would not be WIFOM to state such a fact.
Updated tally.
4 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus)
4 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor, Captain Blackadder, Romanic)
4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Yaropolk, Sasaki, Rebel Jeb)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Ironside, ACIN)
3 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar, Winston Hughes)
3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Beefy187)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
2 Seon (DeathisYonder, YLC)
2 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)
1 johnhughtom (ATPG)
1 Insanious (pevergreen)
1 Skooma (Diamondeye)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)
1 dcmort93 (Double A)
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6 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber, Jarema)
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44/47 players having voted this round
(Glenn, I removed white lines in your format. This is taking unnecessary space. You can contact my lawyers.)
With the current tally, you will not lynch any mafiosi.
There are 6 realistic candidates for the lynch, nine if you include those with two votes. I expressed my distaste with mass wagons in the previous game, but here there is the opposite tactical situation. Unless you're waiting for a flinch, the time has come to decide who dies, of those candidates, and put more votes on them so that the lynch cannot be overturned.
The only case against ACIN is that he doesn't play the way you'd like him to. It's not a case for being guilty, but cutting your losses. Double A could have put more pressure on me and did not, and as such I'm inclined to return the favor (this time). YLC is the same way. Case on warman is that he's been active elsewhere but isn't voting. Possible he's waiting until the last minute to spare himself but I find such a tactic unlikely from him. I could expect him to get lynched without noticing or saving himself, frankly. Case on me is nonexistent/random candidate.
Classical hero tossing suspicion on me without following up with a vote is inconsistent, and has an outside chance of being motivated by scummery.
As such, the only decent case I see is Hero.
unvote, vote: Classical_hero
I'll agree with ATPGs reasoning for now, although I suppose Warman another decent option in the "cut your losses" category.
Unvote:, Vote: classical_hero
Also, ATPG you should know by now that the threat of death is only a minor annoyance for me. In any case, JHT was a "if I have to pick someone" vote. To many people tied present problems in effectively lynching anyone, and thus reducing town effectiveness. It's day 1, I'd like not to set a trend.
It matches your typical behavior, but it was still worth questioning. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
unvote; vote:ACIN
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The Jedi council shall not stand for this!Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I mean, uhh...
If we're cutting losses, we should do as the Yarapolks do, and take one with a track record.
Unvote, Vote: ACIN
I no longer need you, I have others to entertain me.
So many vote changes. This is getting confusing.
here:Quote:
Tally:
6 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor, Captain Blackadder, Romanic, Pevergreen, Yarpolk)
5 Classical Hero (ATPG, YLC, Renata, Beskar, Winston Hughes)
4 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus)
3 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Sasaki, Rebel Jeb)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Ironside, ACIN)
3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Beefy187)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
2 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)
1 Seon (DeathisYonder)
1 Skooma (Diamondeye)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)
1 dcmort93 (Double A)
6 Abstain (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber, Jarema)
44/47 players having voted this round
I want ATPG and ACIN to stay alive... they add to my playing experience.
So, vote: Classical_hero
Unvote, Vote classical hero. you were the one who stole my present, were you?
unvote, vote: ACIN
Hi Beefy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
To make you feel better, HoS: Beefy
Unvote, Vote: ACIN
Trying to corner the market on being this games amusement Reenk?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
unvote, vote: Beefy
It would be very informative to know what happens on a tie.
That's already firmly established by now, I'm just trying to contain the effects of your bad choice. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
:laugh4: I diagnose a severe case of casual scumminess, brought on by repeatedly getting away with it. The only cure is to lynch you until you start playing like a townie (or at least put some more effort into your scummy posting).Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
I hate to see you die early, c_h, but it's the only way you'll learn... ~;)
What is scummy about his post(s)? It bothers me when this characterization which is almost utterly meaningless is dropped as a way to justify a vote while not really justifying it at all. Better to just post a vote with nothing else, this makes it seem that you are trying too hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Yes, these attempts at actual serious votes on Day 1 are odd. What's the point of Day 1 if not to vote based on humor and metagaming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Hmmm...to change or not to change....
My gut is telling me things, but my head is telling me things else. Should I listen to reason, or should I listen to feeling?
Are you implying that the seriousness of the vote has anything to do with the ontological status of guilt of the person being voted for?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Or perhaps you are implying this current case on classical_hero should even be considered serious. I don't consider "he put suspicion on Atpg but didn't vote so he is inconsistent, now allow me to add a word a subset of which is 'scum' to further justify my actions"
I will indulge you and consider it serious if you believe so, and so my response to it will be that classical_hero is throwing suspicion based on someone's voting patterns. Not exactly my cup of tea but OK, I consider it better than endorsing an average restaurant like Outback Steakhouse which ACIN is doing (quality used to be better but now the food is worse and the waitresses are less pretty).
... those were MALE waiters...
Welcome back, Reenk.:laugh4:
Exactly. I am surprised at how serious we have suddenly gotten on the first day. My finger of suspicion on ATPG was a joking one, since it is impossible to know exactly who is who on the first day.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
@Motep. If your gut is telling you something, could it be indigestion?
I am thinking so....that is what I get for eating that steakQuote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
Unvote, Vote: Reenk Roink
I must say I agree with your post until the very end of it. There is a line, and insulting Outback crosses it. :beadyeyes:
But their clothing was so tight...Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Both of these guys are lynches waiting to happen.
unvote, vote: AKWC88
Tally:
7 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor, Captain Blackadder, Romanic, Pevergreen, Yaropolk, Reenk Roink)
7 Classical Hero (ATPG, YLC, Renata, Beskar, Winston Hughes, Jarema, Seon)
5 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus, Diamondeye)
3 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Sasaki, Rebel Jeb)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Ironside, ACIN)
3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Beefy187)
2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)
2 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)
1 Seon (DeathisYonder)
1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)
1 Khazaar (Khazaar)
1 Reenk Roink (Frozen In Ice)
1 pevergreen (Insanious)
1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)
1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)
1 Beefy (Double A)
3 Abstain ( Nictel, Csargo, landlubber)
44/47 players having voted this round
Drama requires more ties.
unvote, vote: AKWC88
Starting here:
vote on classicalQuote:
4 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn, autolycus)
4 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor, Captain Blackadder, Romanic)
4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Yaropolk, Sasaki, Rebel Jeb)
3 YLC (Choxorn, Ironside, ACIN)
3 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar, Winston Hughes)
vote on classical
vote on acin
vote on acin
vote on classical
vote on classical
vote on acin
vote on acin
They end up tied at 7, should be 8 according to me but I didn't count very carefully or pay attention to unvotes.
Seems to me we should lynch one of the leaders from earlier on the off chance that this is a "save my buddy" wagon.
unvote, vote:warman
You counted AA's unvote as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I guess no one read my post where I said I don't do the same tactic (helping the mafia) two games in a row. Oh well, cool beans. I got Fallout New Vegas to hold me over until the next large mafia game if this goes against me.
Also, I could have sworn we are tied at 8 not 7.
Ah, sweet irony. No first day would be complete without your tender kiss...
Hey, that's the least bad idea yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
unvote, vote:warman
Everyone hates this big monkey they call AntiWarmancake88
Meanies.:laugh4::balloon2: