Unification of the Isles: Britannia Hotseat (completed, winners Myth and Zim)

Ireland is up.

wales up!
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Norway-Scotland!

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Scotway? Norland?

Come on, Simon de Montfort, can't you hurry up with your rebellion?

Throw me a bone somebody!

I'm going to great pains to avoid the damn BA spawning on me right now *grumble*

England is up

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Ireland up.

I feel it is my duty to announce that Irish forces have been contractually hired by the Kingdom of Wales. They have besieged the castle of Caernarvaron and taken the town the Carlisle.
Irish forces will travel no further inland than this though so if English forces simply accept these loses no further conflict between us is necessary and the Irish crown will be happy to re-open trade lanes with England.

Wales up
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Ireland shall lift the siege of Caernavernon or forever forsake it's chances of survival. It is unwise to ally with Wales, they may trick you with maps and big words but In the end, they are gasping for air and about to be put in their place. You have one chance to reconsider, Brian King, or we shall drive past Wales and into your island, and show you no mercy.

Hmm, our agents information disagrees. It appears to us that neither Wales nor England is anywhere near defeat at this point in time, and we do not wish to see that become the case for either of your peoples.

We shall consider what you have said of course, but swearing to bring about our destruction only encourages us to move our forces further east and to aid Wales more.

OOC: Shouldn't we post this in the Diplomacy thread? Anyway

King Brian, though I am not of the blood of Henry and Edward, I uphold their values as they gave their lives for England. I answer kindness with kindness, and aggression with aggression. But I also add some more aggression, until those who have wronged me and mine are no more. You say you lay siege to a castle that was hard won and is our greatest advantage and victory over Wales, crippling their ability to raise levies against us. We say if you storm the walls we will retake it and we won't stop until we have had our vengeance.

Wales has taken some settlements from us, but they are losing breath and their forces are weakening. We have more land, more castles and more men. Llywelyn's brigands have split up and that was their biggest and most experienced troop. What Wales wants now is time to breathe and recuperate, though their only worthy castle is Gloucester. They will surely try to storm Nottingham though that will prove to be Llywelyn's last mistake.

As for Caernavernon, we have spent weeks with a full force of men trying to bring culture to the rebellious Welsh scum there. If you take it you will be pinned down there for some time, or risk rebellion the moment you step outside the city gates, as it's currently inhabited by Englishmen and Welsh alike, but with no Irish community to support you.

We have given you peace and have offered trade. Be sure to consider your options wisely as you now know the consequences should you decide to show aggression. I also still hold parchments with your royal seal, in which you swear you will take no part in the Welsh-English war. If you break your word now you will lose your honor and no one will trust you - certainly not Haakon to whom a warrior's word is sacred. And certainly not the Welsh who will see you trying to advance your own positions rather than earnestly help them in eradicating us.

(I had forgot this game had one, and now the bulk of the text is here so it will make more sense if my post appears here, I'm glad this has created a bit of political intrigue though :) )

As I mentioned earlier, it is actually the Welsh who hired us. They have promised us much if we return caernarvaron, their capitol, to them.
I would have you know that our greatest desire is that neither you nor wales be destroyed, we hope that eventually a peace agreement can be settled upon.

with that looking far away we think it only right that the Welsh, who have fought so nobly, do so with their capitol in their own hands that they may live on as a sovereign people.
While we are being re-compensated for our actions, our true motivation lies in this.

If London were captured by the Welsh and your people threatened with extermination, we would likely do the same for you, as we would for the Norwegians or any other. Wars of extermination are cruel and despicable things. As the victims of several attempts at extermination, we Irish see it as our solemn duty to uphold the nationhood of all who live in the British Isles, be they Irish, Welsh, Norwegian, or even English.

Llywelyn crossed the border first and attacked without provocation or a declaration. He has prospered by attacking during the night and pillaging across England. Caernavernon to him is not a capital, but an important stronghold that can replenish his armies. If you return it to him you will be directly aiding him in this war, and in a great way.

The only way for peace to be had between England and Wales is for all English territories to be returned to us, and we also keep Caernavernon or at the very least, give it to someone else who is not Welsh. We would also wish to execte LLywelyn the traitor and all of his raiders who have pillaged so many English towns. If those terms are not met then the war shall continue and we will fight with determination.

Norway-Scotland!

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Sorry for the wait, I'll be on this tomorrow.

Last save is still set to Wale's turn.

Sorry about the delay.

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Bump...

Igno you're up in Frozen North, you should play your turn before it gets skipped.

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Ireland up.

King John, the Kingdom of Ireland finds itself in a precarious position. We do not truly wish to be yuor enemy for all eternity, but we also cannot stand by while you destroy the Kingdom of Wales. You have demanded that we lift the siege upon Caernarvon, when you have stolen this place from the Welsh. We have one final offer to make, if refused, we shall have no choice but to continue our current course of action and return Caernarvaron to Wales by force.

Make peace with the Welsh. This peace shall return all provinces to their original owner on both sides, Caernarvaron included. Ireland is determined to ensure the nationhood of all involved, and this is the only way we will be satisfied. I must hear what delegates from both Wales and England say to this before my King will proceed with further action.

This is agreeable. Llywelyn is currently occupying York with a small force and he will be put to death shortly. We will agree to these terms only if Llywelyn the raider submits to the King's justice, as he was the first one to cross the border and raid and pillage across England.

Those terms are unacceptable. The Welsh will only agree to hand Llywelyn over if the entire English royal family commits suicide.

It seems Wales cares naught for peace or righting the wrongs they committed. Do you still intend to directly aid them in this war Brian King, after your explicit word that you would not interfere was given not long ago?

I do not think it is fair to demand the death of King Llwelyn, after all, what right minded ruler would kill himself as part of an agreement?

King Llywelyn shall go free but Wales must pay a sum of money for starting the war instead. Is that agreeable?

That is indeed agreeable. A tribute of 2500 gold marks for the next 10 seasons, and we restore all English settlements to England, while England returns Caernavernon and agrees to stay behind her borders.

So you want a total of 25,000 right?
I'm not sure wales is capable of 2500 each turn though and may be unable to meet that sum, so you may have to accept slightly less, I do not think it is an unreasonable sum however. you shall have to work that out with the Welsh king though.

The Welsh refuse to be held responsible for this war.

We threw off the yoke of the late King Henry due to his colonisation of the Marcher lordships in southern Wales. At the very least, Cardiff must be confirmed to us.

Secondly, we do not trust the English to keep their word and cease from attacking us. We are willing to make peace as long as we England cedes us Gloucester and Shrewsbury. Considering the position we hold within England, that is more than fair.

BTW, I understand that these negotiations are important, but we need to make sure the game doesn't stall.

Nay Welshman. Ye have put people to the sword and looted across England, and twisting words about shall not change the truth. We will not accept these terms and the war shall continue to the bitter end if that be your final proposition.

Brian King, your intentions are good but it is clear there can be no peace between England and Wales. You must now choose a side or sail back for Ireland.

Wales up,
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I was only going to let the debate go on for my 48 hour turn limit anyway.

I'll let the tension over my decision wait a little longer. :)

Norway-Scotland!

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:(

Sorry for the wait. Work's been killing me. I'll get this tonight.

England.

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Norway is flattered that the academics of the Isles count it the most powerful nation by a hair's breadth, but wonder if perhaps they have been dipping to much into their mead stocks. We note that the current crisis may in some ways solve itself. If the Welsh king falls to English swords in the near future then that apparently unacceptable portion of the terms would be gone and England would need no money, having its revenge. If he doesn't fall, I half expect to hear he has conquered the bulk of the Isles within a few seasons. Either way the Norse taverns will be ringing with tales of him. The man has gained a fearsome reputation that Haakon can only hope to match.

He has reputation, but he lacks troops and supplies. We are pragmatic about this - we cannot match him in a fair battle. But we won't give him one. Ireland up. Igno I defeated the small force that had been besieging Lancaster, and they retreated to the stone fort to the North. They can't move next turn.

wales up!
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Originally Posted by Myth

He has reputation, but he lacks troops and supplies. We are pragmatic about this - we cannot match him in a fair battle. But we won't give him one. Ireland up. Igno I defeated the small force that had been besieging Lancaster, and they retreated to the stone fort to the North. They can't move next turn.

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Noted. :book:

How very Fabian of you Myth :)

Another fabian myth...

Norway-Scotland!

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BTW Guys I will be away from today until the 25th. Bear with me just a tad please, it's a 4 day holiday here and I have to go see my cousin off to prom. If you can't wait just have Zim sub me.

England. All that work for Glasgow and it's worthless. Small population and maybe one building.

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Ireland.

wales!
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Hey how about some friendly exchange of information in the OOC? What's happening outside our little cage match with Wales?

On this side things are on a stalemate. England is besieging Gloucester with about two stacks worth of units and will hopefully be able to kill the full stack guarding the castle. Wales has another full stack that is unfortunately soon going to be lead by Llywelyn which means it could go either way when he storms Nottingham. If he gets the jump on the English forces with Night Fighter he can pick them off since they will sustain casualties after the assault on Gloucester castle. If they can assault his position united they will be bale to push him back and retake Nottingham.

Wales also has a boat full of some troops that will probably try to grab some undefended settlements. York rebelled back to English hands and spawned some lowly militia troops and a man of the hour promotion after some minor victory.

Ireland is besieging Lancaster with one and a half full stacks and probably has Caernavernon garrisoned with at least 8 or 10 units (depends if they exterminated or looted).

What else is going on?

I just took a very worthless Glasgow. Laughable population, no buildings built. Otherwise Norway has been enjoying an economic boom, even with so much recruitment having been needed to finish off conquering Scotland.

Interesting, why is Ireland besieging an even more worthless Lancaster (looted to oblivion and with half it's buildings damaged by the looting) instead of guarding it's island?

In my case I assumed any city with stone walls had to be worth something, without really looking at the buildings. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Myth

Interesting, why is Ireland besieging an even more worthless Lancaster (looted to oblivion and with half it's buildings damaged by the looting) instead of guarding it's island?

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The Irish never did like the English...

Norway!

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Lancaster isn't worthless, and I certainly am defending my isles as well.

Is it ok if I get to this tomorrow?

NP with me I'll be getting my new PC around Wednesday I suppose so I'm in no particular hurry.

Turn coming in T Minus 12 hours and counting. Sorry for the delay.

England!

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Ireland.

Prince Vortipor has been defeated and the siege on Nottingham - lifted. He can't move next turn.

wales up!
Newcastle upon Tyre has been taken (catapult was hidden in trees), and Irish forces approach York. The English king MUST see reason and agree to a reasonably peace with Wales and Ireland, otherwise we will be forced to continue this needless war.
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Norway-Scotland!

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

wales up!
Newcastle upon Tyre has been taken (catapult was hidden in trees), and Irish forces approach York. The English king MUST see reason and agree to a reasonably peace with Wales and Ireland, otherwise we will be forced to continue this needless war.
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No not really. The Northern towns aren't that important. Oh, and good luck keeping York. If you can take it that is!

We will fight them in the valleys...

Bump...

Sorry for the wait. When I tried to download the save the other day I kept getting some kind of error trying to go anywhere on the forums. Playing now.

England

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Erm I think that somewhere along the way we messed up on the turn numbers. The save said turn 19 but it's actually turn 18 according to the game :) So I'm uploading turn 18 even though I sent "turn 18" in the file last time to Nightbringer. Save file.

wales up!
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Norway:

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Note: Toby Keyenne(England) was defeated in battle and cannot move next turn.

Was that the guy with the spear militias? That's fine if it was him, the point was to make you waste a turn with that stack in the forests West of Nottingham. Did you take the city with Llywelyn?

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Was that the guy with the spear militias? That's fine if it was him, the point was to make you waste a turn with that stack in the forests West of Nottingham. Did you take the city with Llywelyn?

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It was that guy.

Will get to this in the morning. :bow:

England

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Ireland.

To Llywelyn's proposal of peace and declaration of how fast he can run from our armies, he receives a woven basket with Prince Vortipor's head inside it. Next to it, a small piece of parchment says "This is for Edward. Yours is next." It is signed with the official seal of King John II who calls himself simply John the Bastard.

wales up!
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Norway!!

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England

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Ireland. I don't know why I'm missing a Swordsmith's Guild from Nottigham. Ignoramus did you destroy that on purpose? It can't have been destroyed when you sacked the town, the sacking option never deals enough damage on the first try.

wales up!
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Originally Posted by Myth

I don't know why I'm missing a Swordsmith's Guild from Nottigham. Ignoramus did you destroy that on purpose? It can't have been destroyed when you sacked the town, the sacking option never deals enough damage on the first try.

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Myth, Zim asked me to look into this for him the other day. I couldn't find any Swordsmith's Guild in Nottingham even before Iggy took the city (ie. when it was still yours on your turn 18)

Are you sure you accepted it? If so, when was it there?

I'm positive I did, you can see my armies have the little sword icon showing they are upgraded for attack. It was there prior to the attack. There are only two ways to kill buildings - sabotage and razing either deliberately or by repeated sackings/exterminations. Unless Nightbringer has a ton of assassins there I can't imagine how the thing got destroyed. You can load turn 20 or 19 I think to be safe, and see it's there.