Anybody enjoying Game of Thrones? (HBO TV series)

so it appears there are people who are so pissed about the latest events

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ned stark is executed

that they are asking why it happened and what hbo was thinking killing off such a good character.

Idiots.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Bronn becoming a popular character was pretty inevitable; he works with tyrion alot

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So long as the two of them don't start singing Unchained Melody, though I suppose Up on the Roof may have been quite an apt tune in the Eyrie.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

so it appears there are people who are so pissed about the latest events

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I read that author watched the scene on TV and exclaimed "What kind of sick writer does that to poor nospoiler?!" and then remembered "Oh, I did that."

My collection of books arrived today but I was aggrieved to note that I had apparently bought a book 3 which was just a part 1. So apparently there is a book 3 part 2. Grrrr. What kind of a writer writes a book 3 part 2 rather than a book 4?! A successful one, I wager. Publishers would not indulge other kinds.

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No I am annoyed that people are mad at hbo haha. Its not their fault that they had to kill off Stark. If anything be mad at Martin but why? The fact that the man has no fear to kill off his main characters and keeps the line between good and evil so fuzzy you have absolutely no idea whats going to happen next i would be absolutely not be shocked if the books end with the lannisters being victorious or tyrion riding at the head of danys army or stannis being king of all westeros or hell bran being king of an independent north.


So you lose one very good character played by a good actor people weren't pissed when boromir dies in the first movie.

Warning huge spoilers inside unless you read all of the books. Anyways the best parts of the books are coming for the arya character so im excited for that too we will have to wait for the next season.

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My collection of books arrived today but I was aggrieved to note that I had apparently bought a book 3 which was just a part 1. So apparently there is a book 3 part 2. Grrrr. What kind of a writer writes a book 3 part 2 rather than a book 4?! A successful one, I wager. Publishers would not indulge other kinds.

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If it's any consolation, that was a publisher's decision, not George R. R. Martin's. In the US it was released all in one part, and in France it was split up into four. ~:eek:

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If it's any consolation, that was a publisher's decision, not George R. R. Martin's. In the US it was released all in one part, and in France it was split up into four. ~:eek:

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4 300 page books? That seems like a waste to me.

Also, an article on season 2:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/show...eason-two.html

If people are upset about

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Ned Stark getting executed

how are they going to deal with the fact that

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GRRM has no qualms at all about killing off tons of very significant characters throughout his books?

All those people who are getting upset clearly need to stick to Harry Potter and the ilk.

A Song of Ice and Fire is for big boys.

Someone made a video about what Hitler's reaction might've been after finding out the big news; Found it on a blog.
It's very funny, I laughed until my stomach ached. (Although people who know German might not find it funny).
Warning, there is heavy swearing.

Edit : Am removing the embedded video, just keeping the link...better this way I think.

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Originally Posted by Scienter

If people are upset about

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Ned Stark getting executed

how are they going to deal with the fact that

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GRRM has no qualms at all about killing off tons of very significant characters throughout his books?

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i like all the twists and turns in book 2

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but when when a shadow killed renly, that was a twist too far imo... cmon, i liked the fact that there was no real magic in the book apart from the mystical powers, and then some redhaired serpent has to come and wack off people with shadowswords...

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i like all the twists and turns in book 2

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but when when a shadow killed renly, that was a twist too far imo... cmon, i liked the fact that there was no real magic in the book apart from the mystical powers, and then some redhaired serpent has to come and wack off people with shadowswords...

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Totally agree with that, book two is better imo apart from that one part. I read half of book three in one sitting, it's even better. Two and a half books still to go and a new one next month, I think we timed starting to read this series well.

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I have no idea where any of the story arcs are going, I've even started to feel a little sympathy for Sansa and I've got a bad feeling abut those Tyrell wenches.

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i dont know... sansa parts are most boring of the starks for most of the time, but somehow i find bran the most annoying... but perhaps that will change when he is no longer whining about his wings...

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i dont know... sansa parts are most boring of the starks for most of the time, but somehow i find bran the most annoying... but perhaps that will change when he is no longer whining about his wings...

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yeah bran annoys me too. i hate that mystical bull. i just attributed the shadow too the power of the gods which makes it better for me.

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I dont know about you guys, but I think Sansa got much better once Ned died. I liked how in the second book she was struggling with Joff, and now she is struggling with Tyrion. Truly excellent. Arya is also awesome, as usual, even though I thought her story ac was going south, like Bran's did.
And why is everyone making a fuss about the shadow suff? If there can be dragons, the undead, and stuff, then there for sure can be shadow killers.

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you can kill dragons and even burn undead... you cant kill a shadow. also its just a cheap way to get rid of someone lol. i was just dissapointed that the presumed clash of brothers ended in such fashion... he just died and thats it...

Last episode was rather boring and left me wanting more; it failed to meet expectations.

(btw... I'm liking this new forum upgrade!)

yeah its nice.

well off to watch it though it unfortunately seems like last episode may have actually been a better finale.

Nope, it was just fine.

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If people are upset about

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Ned Stark getting executed

how are they going to deal with the fact that

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GRRM has no qualms at all about killing off tons of very significant characters throughout his books?

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Yep. Without divulging spoilers certain characters living or dying makes sense in both in the context of the plot and their personalities.

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For example, someone like Bronn is too smart and without scruples to die. Whereas Eddard's honour caused his death and Viserys death suits the plot. No-one is spared based on who they are, they live due their own merit.

everybody loves bronn. I personally choose to adore him.

Also we all know that certain characters are simply too plot central to kill......... yet.

key word being yet.

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i hate catelyn... she ruins everything for the king in the north -_-

There used to be a Game of thrones/song of ice and fire mod for Mount and blade... I think it died a death before M&B was ever released but it provided me with a bit more indulgence.

I really like the world Martin has created. On the face of it, it has the usual corny fantasy tropes (animal companions, dragons, undead, mystical quests, discovering new powers, prophesies, coming of age stories) but the way he works them in as the book(s) progress makes them more believable. Undoubtedly, the real success of the story though is how bleak the characters fates are -you really get the sense that there are no easy choices and that there are consequences to everything. My only concern is that the scope of the story (by the end of book 4) is ballooning as the fantasy stuff becomes more apparent. No wonder he's been struggling with the 5th book for so many years! -although at least it's coming out in July at last...

I'm glad HBO have done a high quality TV adaptation. It's not perfect but it has covered all the bases (and uncovered alot of flesh) IMO.

Fire and blood.

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There used to be a Game of thrones/song of ice and fire mod for Mount and blade... I think it died a death before M&B was ever released but it provided me with a bit more indulgence.

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I believe there is a PC game released later this year, an RTS I think.

ironically if you look on panzers page we had a conversation just abut how well a mount and blade type game would be for this series. The engine is so fantastic it would be absolutely superb.

an rts sounds meh in comparison tbh.

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i hate catelyn... she ruins everything for the king in the north -_-

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She ruins one thing. I mean, it's kind of a big deal, but it's not even that critical for Robb.

Trailer for the RTS

Anyhow, saw the finale.

It was stupendous. The scene with Dany and the pyre was amazing and chilling at the same time. And the first 20 or so minutes was really sad, I almost cried, especially the scene with Cat and Robb.

And people are overthinking Cat.

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She ruins very little, except Jaime. But without her freeing Jaime, then he wouldnt have lost his hand, and we wouldnt have gotten anything interesting with him.

There's a SOIAF mod for Medieval 2 total war but its not exactly special, just character names, some portraits and afew pallet swaps for the factions, Map's OK though.

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Trailer for the RTS

Anyhow, saw the finale.

It was stupendous. The scene with Dany and the pyre was amazing and chilling at the same time. And the first 20 or so minutes was really sad, I almost cried, especially the scene with Cat and Robb.

And people are overthinking Cat.

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She ruins very little, except Jaime. But without her freeing Jaime, then he wouldnt have lost his hand, and we wouldnt have gotten anything interesting with him.

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that game looks retarded

A Crusader Kings 2 mod would be sick nasty

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There's a SOIAF mod for Medieval 2 total war but its not exactly special, just character names, some portraits and afew pallet swaps for the factions, Map's OK though.

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I saw that too. Its called Westoros:TW. As you said, all it really is is character names and new factions. No dragons, last I checked.
Oh well.
It would be awesome though if CA made a SOIAF:TW.

Aargh now the wait starts.Have to wonder do we have to wait for next spring before the second season will start airing.

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Aargh now the wait starts.Have to wonder do we have to wait for next spring before the second season will start airing.

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Yeah I cant believe season 2 isnt airing until Spring of 2012...

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ironically if you look on panzers page we had a conversation just abut how well a mount and blade type game would be for this series. The engine is so fantastic it would be absolutely superb.

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Here's a link to the mod. It was dumped at M&B v 9.03
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php...and-blade-mod/

It's a real shame no-one picked it up after the main author dumped it. I haven't played it in ages and i remember it being a little rough round the edges wrt some characters and plot wise, but that would take a massive mod.

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an rts sounds meh in comparison tbh.

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Yeah, I totally agree. It's got to be one of the lamest things to do with the IP.

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She runs one thing. I mean, it's kind of a big deal, but it's not even that critical for Robb.

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pretty critical if u ask me... not that he didnt do anything stupid himself but still. and dunno, shes alot more unpleasant in the books than in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOoA...eature=related

Ultimately it wouldn't have changed anything if it had gone the other way.

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pretty critical if u ask me... not that he didnt do anything stupid himself but still. and dunno, shes alot more unpleasant in the books than in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOoA...eature=related

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That actually put me in a bad mood. Eddard stark isnt even a main character for gods sakes. Will people just get the hell over it.

i think hes joking. hes too calm to actually be so mad as he tries to seem.

maybe so but it annoys me because i know there are people (mostly very stupid people) who ARE that mad.

I guess then i will have to read the books while wating for the second season.

Almost done with the third book. I truly think its the best of the first four so far.
There were times I wanted to cry, laugh, yell in anger, and shout for joy. And I still have another 100 pages to go.

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Almost done with the third book. I truly think its the best of the first four so far.
There were times I wanted to cry, laugh, yell in anger, and shout for joy. And I still have another 100 pages to go.

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Both parts, or just the first? I'm about 150 pages from the end of part two.

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I have to say the Red Wedding was a shock, even though I saw it coming a million miles off, as I'm sure everybody else did. I'm hoping to get some chapters from viewpoints we haven't seen before, specifically Tywin, I keep changing my mind on how much he knew about certain things.

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Both parts, or just the first? I'm about 150 pages from the end of part two.

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I have to say the Red Wedding was a shock, even though I saw it coming a million miles off, as I'm sure everybody else did. I'm hoping to get some chapters from viewpoints we haven't seen before, specifically Tywin, I keep changing my mind on how much he knew about certain things.

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Its depressing aint it.

And also a spoiler for you to NOT look at John (like seriously dont look at this until you finish all the books he has released so far MAJOR SPOILER).

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who wants to see johnhughthoms face when he reads tyrion killing off tywin? lol. ]

I think by then you should be accustomed to that sort of thing. Plus, if the previous "holy crap" moments angered you, that one will make you feel a bit better.

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I was depressed for two weeks after reading the red wedding. I'm also dumb, and I was hoping all the warning signs leading up to it were red herrings / not going to be *that bad*.

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Plus, if the previous "holy crap" moments angered you, that one will make you feel a bit better.

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Intentional usage of "holy crap" there when describing the Tywin death scene?

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Just got to that part, to be honest that's probably the only death that's actually annoyed me. If there was any character who's motivations and background I wanted to know more about, Tywin was the guy. I just hope Tyrion's words to his brother don't come back to haunt him, the truth about Tysha was probably the saddest thing in the books so far, as if we needed more reason to sympathise with Tyrion though...

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Just got to that part, to be honest that's probably the only death that's actually annoyed me. If there was any character who's motivations and background I wanted to know more about, Tywin was the guy. I just hope Tyrion's words to his brother don't come back to haunt him, the truth about Tysha was probably the saddest thing in the books so far, as if we needed more reason to sympathise with Tyrion though...

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Its quite ironic how we all love a character who committed such a grievous misdeed as patricide, no?

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Both parts, or just the first? I'm about 150 pages from the end of part two.

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I have to say the Red Wedding was a shock, even though I saw it coming a million miles off, as I'm sure everybody else did. I'm hoping to get some chapters from viewpoints we haven't seen before, specifically Tywin, I keep changing my mind on how much he knew about certain things.

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I was lucky enough to get my copy of Storm of Swords all in one book, and Im loving all of it, all 1200+ pages of it.

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I cant say that I saw the Red Wedding 'a mile away.' Yes, I knew that Frey would try to do something, but I had no idea it would be that extreme.

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Its quite ironic how we all love a character who committed such a grievous misdeed as patricide, no?

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Imagine what an opinion we would have of Tyrion though if we only saw his actions through the eyes of the people around him, like we do Tywin. He would probably appear even more of a monster than his father. Jaime is a character most people probably hate, until we actually get to see thing from his point of view when he becomes likeable. I'm not saying Tywin would suddenly become a nice chap, just misunderstood, it's just frustrating that we never really get to know somebody so central to the events of the story. Probably the only person who becomes (slightly) less objectionable without have their own chapters is Sandor Clegane.

I have to say, the epilogue of book three was probably the biggest WTF moment yet. I can just imagine the author thinking "Okay, I've killed off a load of characters, who would people least like me to bring back? I'll show them..."

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Imagine what an opinion we would have of Tyrion though if we only saw his actions through the eyes of the people around him, like we do Tywin. He would probably appear even more of a monster than his father. Jaime is a character most people probably hate, until we actually get to see thing from his point of view when he becomes likeable. I'm not saying Tywin would suddenly become a nice chap, just misunderstood, it's just frustrating that we never really get to know somebody so central to the events of the story. Probably the only person who becomes (slightly) less objectionable without have their own chapters is Sandor Clegane.

I have to say, the epilogue of book three was probably the biggest WTF moment yet. I can just imagine the author thinking "Okay, I've killed off a load of characters, who would people least like me to bring back? I'll show them..."

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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.

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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.

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It always seemed obvious to me Robb and Joffrey would be killed off, otherwise why didn't the story focus on them more? Robb's another character I didn't feel we got to know at all, he comes across as the Richard the Lionheart of the tale, but he's treated like a secondary character while we get Sansa moping around court and Catelyn... you know I don't even remember what she was doing. I guess it's the boring chapters that make those involving the interesting characters that much better. I just wish he'd stop teasing us, making us think Arya's going to find her wolf again...

Anyway, it's nearly 3:30 am, I should go to bed as I start work in 3 1/2 hours, but I'm thinking that time would be better spent reading the start of Feast for Crows than sleeping...

john the things you say just make me lol and lol. Come talk to me when you have read all of it and we will have a nice little chuckle!

I just finished book 3, and I really dont get all the hate for Catelyn. I think shes a great character.

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She is someone who is trying to subdue her grief so she can be the best mother/advisor to Robb that she can be.

I find her releasing Jaime an interesting thing. Yes, strategically it was dumb, but when you think about it, its not so bad. She thought that her only hope for getting her girls back was releasing him.
Now think of this: you lost your husband, and (or so you thought) your two youngest boys. Your eldest son is a general, and he could die in battle. Where does that leave you? With two daughters. The problem is, one of them is in Kings Landing, the other is MIA.
If I was in Catelyn's position, I would do anything possible to get Sansa back, at the very least.

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I just finished book 3, and I really dont get all the hate for Catelyn. I think shes a great character.

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She is someone who is trying to subdue her grief so she can be the best mother/advisor to Robb that she can be.

I find her releasing Jaime an interesting thing. Yes, strategically it was dumb, but when you think about it, its not so bad. She thought that her only hope for getting her girls back was releasing him.
Now think of this: you lost your husband, and (or so you thought) your two youngest boys. Your eldest son is a general, and he could die in battle. Where does that leave you? With two daughters. The problem is, one of them is in Kings Landing, the other is MIA.
If I was in Catelyn's position, I would do anything possible to get Sansa back, at the very least.

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she was the spark that lit off the powder keg of war.

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she was the spark that lit off the powder keg of war.

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Do you blame her? She got what she thought was credible information on who ordered the attempted murder of Bran, and she acted on it.
I would do the same. She had no idea that it would lead to the War of the Five Kings.

tbh. no. no i would not. Not if i was essentially the most powerful woman in the entire north of the kingdom of westeros the daughter of the river lord and the sister of the widow of the eyrie. And then to add on top of that my husband is the hand of the king with my two daughters in the capital with only a hundred or so loyal retainers. No i would think about the rest of my family and consider the fates of all the people under my control. barring that i would at least take care of tyrion properly rather than botch it completely.

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A Crusader Kings 2 mod would be sick nasty

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CK Mod.

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tbh. no. no i would not. Not if i was essentially the most powerful woman in the entire north of the kingdom of westeros the daughter of the river lord and the sister of the widow of the eyrie. And then to add on top of that my husband is the hand of the king with my two daughters in the capital with only a hundred or so loyal retainers. No i would think about the rest of my family and consider the fates of all the people under my control. barring that i would at least take care of tyrion properly rather than botch it completely.

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A war was brewing anyway. You're being too harsh on Cat. Her actions weren't always laden with forethought, but the negatives are ultimately pretty trivial and she made a lot of good calls in assisting Edmure and Robb (though they didn't always listen to her).

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If I wasn't too lazy to get CK working I'd play that. :3 Instead I'll wait for CK2...

I have only read the first book but the TV series seems to take Catelyn in a somewhat different direction in the end. Maybe I missed something in the book or maybe it will come in season 2 of the series, but was Catelyn's "We will kill them all" line to Robb added? In the end of book 1, she tries to push for peace. In the book, she also recognises her error in trying to seize Tyrion and precipitating war. I don't recall her almost braining Jaime with a rock either.

I think Catelyn's a rather interesting character regardless - a good person who makes some bad choices and is constrained by her honour, rather like her husband. It was quite an unusual plot mechanic that she would cause things to go to hell by her action in seizing Tyrion. Typically, in stories, it's the evil people who precipitate the chaos. (Although no doubt things would have turned bad sooner or later regardless, with Ned's investigation into House Baratheon and the poisonous nature of the Lannisters.)

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I have only read the first book but the TV series seems to take Catelyn in a somewhat different direction in the end. Maybe I missed something in the book or maybe it will come in season 2 of the series, but was Catelyn's "We will kill them all" line to Robb added? In the end of book 1, she tries to push for peace. In the book, she also recognises her error in trying to seize Tyrion and precipitating war. I don't recall her almost braining Jaime with a rock either.

I think Catelyn's a rather interesting character regardless - a good person who makes some bad choices and is constrained by her honour, rather like her husband. It was quite an unusual plot mechanic that she would cause things to go to hell by her action in seizing Tyrion. Typically, in stories, it's the evil people who precipitate the chaos. (Although no doubt things would have turned bad sooner or later regardless, with Ned's investigation into House Baratheon and the poisonous nature of the Lannisters.)

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in the finale of season one they put in some, or quite alot of stuff that actually happens in book 2. so i think thats why u dont recall. you probably havent read it yet.

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everything catelyn does goes against her, but tbh i think that if she thought it through a bit more she couldve foreseen half of those things. setting free the kingslayer, seizing tyrion (though it was more her sister who messed up there). sad thing is that whenever she does have a good idea, the other people dont listen XD

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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.

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i think that the author has to either A) kill off loads of POV characters or B) not introduce any new ones, because the style of his writing. A) he needs to do to keep the scale of the story down. B) would have the same effect but it would also mean nothing bad could happen to the POV characters or your story would end. There is also option C) and that is increase the size of the story, like Feist has done. he uses a similar POV style but for him its not so bad if in a book some of the characters dont get a prominent role because the size of the story is so big.

There is only one thing I want from future series' of Game of Thrones.

"A bear there was, a bear, a bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair!
The bear, the bear!"

The entire song set to music.

Hopefully better than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QyaN-QFNmc

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There is only one thing I want from future series' of Game of Thrones.

"A bear there was, a bear, a bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair!
The bear, the bear!"

The entire song set to music.

Hopefully better than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QyaN-QFNmc

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Agreed. I keep trying to think of a good tune for that song but I cant think of anything so far.

Just finished book four. I can see where the differing opinions come from, I struggled to get into it for the first few hundred pages, after that it flowed as well as the first few books. I can imagine now how people who read it six years ago have been frustrated waiting for the next book, only five years overdue...

I'm off now to start again, if I time it right I should be finished in time for book five.

There really needs to be a M&B:W mod for ASOIAF.

I think you mean the other way around. :P Though I'd still read it. Would the Starks be Rhodock or Swadian?

Haha sorry, I meant the other way around. Silly me.

The Rhodocks remind me of the Starks, the Swadians remind me of Lannister.

goodness gracious this conversation again.....................

Wonder if I could grow a beard in 3 days? Auditions for extras for series two are being held on Monday, quite literally around the corner from me.

me = jealous.

The GoT soundtrack is out.
I got it and its awesome.

My copy of A Dance with Dragons has been posted, hopefully get it for Monday.

Saw this over at TWC, meet Brienne.

http://pics.livejournal.com/grrm/pic/000gx6d3

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Saw this over at TWC, meet Brienne.

http://pics.livejournal.com/grrm/pic/000gx6d3

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I'd Smash.

She needs much bluer eyes though. She is the daughter of the star of evenfall and catelyn stark remarks that she had stunning blue eyes in a clash of kings. Also martin states that he believes Brienne is well over 6 ft tall but not close to seven and significantly heavier than renly or jaime

...While that isnt exactly model materiel, I cant realy say briene's actor is anywhere near as ugly as I expect the character to be.

I expect the character to be uglier than the actor.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

I expect the character to be uglier than the actor.

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Yeah, there was an amusing newspaper article showing the actresses playing Ugly Betty in about 20 different countries[1]. They were all good looking.



[1]I was amazed so many countries had their own version of the show.

lets all be honest that woman is attractive. she is legitimately attractive though her forehead is a little big. but we all know that they will make her up and if she is not huge as brienne is supposed to be they will cast her at angles and tr yto keep her in armor with a closed face helm whenever possible.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Saw this over at TWC, meet Brienne.

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Surely I can't have been the only one thinking someone more like actress Dot Jones; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0427963/
6'3", 15 time world arm wrestling champion.

That woman looks like a waif, and only 'ugly' in Hollywood.

CR

She's actually 6' 3 as well, supposedly GRRM himself said they auditioned "20 actresses and one Brienne" (the picture above being her).