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Whatare the mechanics and costs of recruitment and upkeep? Are the armies of the sworn houses in addition to our starting armies? How does war function? How are territories conquered? Does precise geographic location relative to cities within a province matter, or is battle initiated as soon as one side's army crosses another's borders?
In the op of main thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Yes, but they can only be called up in time of war.
You tell me what you want your army to do.
By holding the capital. You can garrison troops.
You can be as vague, or as detailed as you like with your orders. Remember that the other faction may be more detailed though.
The op of the main thread also has a more detailed map, with landmarks and settlements.
When we (the greyjoys) buy longships, do our crews come with them?? and can we use those crews as fighters? ( I assume yes but I am just checking)
I answered The Stranger this question in pm, I'll let him pass it on in the QT. You don't want the other factions knowing these things. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by scottishranger
could u perhaps specify in the OP of the real game thread what exactly the effects are of the character traits?
The traits are pretty much self explanatory. Somebody with a high intrigue is more likely to succeed in a spying mission, somebody with high leadership is more likely to win a battle etc. I don't like putting the exact mechanics in public, interactions between the factions are going to have a bigger effect on the outcome of the game than one extra point of a trait here or there.
This is the most important paragraph in the op:
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Westeros: A Game of Thrones is a game that may take some getting used to for many players, much of the game is up to the players to decide. So far as possible, I will try to accept any actions that you wish to attempt. The obvious exception would be orders that include other faction's or NPC characters (orders specifying they behave in a certain way, you can of course target other factions or characters), unless I receive orders from that faction confirming the action.
The game has now officially started in the main game thread here. Please keep any questions about game mechanics in this thread, the faction QT or via pm.
Good luck everybody and have fun!
What do knights do, exactly?
Kill people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
lol
Can you describe what these character stats mean? And why are ships more expensive than armies of thousands?
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
i dont know about army/ships. but a fleet is always more expensive than a land army. i guess its game mechanics mostly.Quote:
The traits are pretty much self explanatory. Somebody with a high intrigue is more likely to succeed in a spying mission, somebody with high leadership is more likely to win a battle etc. I don't like putting the exact mechanics in public, interactions between the factions are going to have a bigger effect on the outcome of the game than one extra point of a trait here or there.
This is the most important paragraph in the op:
Westeros: A Game of Thrones is a game that may take some getting used to for many players, much of the game is up to the players to decide. So far as possible, I will try to accept any actions that you wish to attempt. The obvious exception would be orders that include other faction's or NPC characters (orders specifying they behave in a certain way, you can of course target other factions or characters), unless I receive orders from that faction confirming the action.
You have marines, crew, repairs and so forth...
Soldiers just keep em fed, they can look after their arms :D
Leadership - generally leadership of troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Honour - self explanatory, won't be happy carrying out dishonourable orders. More likely to be trusted by NPCs.
Bravery - courage on and off the battlefield.
Intrigue - subterfuge, ability to plan and carry out intelligence missions. Chance of catching enemy intelligence missions.
Dread - how frightened people are of him, not necessarily because of evil acts.
What are the rules about communication outside the House?
Ravens' PMs or you need to move characters?
How many men crew these ships anyway? Are they massive catamarans with thousands of rowers?Quote:
You have marines, crew, repairs and so forth...
Soldiers just keep em fed, they can look after their arms :D
The Drowned God always gets at least half of them anyway. Hard to pay upkeep for a dead crew.:bounce:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I am wondering how this is going to go? For instance someone wants towipe outget rid of a disloyal NPC house, what would the consequence's of such an action be?:book:
One way to find out. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
No restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
All Hail the Drowned God! What is dead can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger!Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
So who's currently at war with who?
Storm's End owns Ghaston Grey? An outrage if so.
I'm considering sending you there for the remainder of the game. :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
That's for you lot to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Well, crud.
I think the ball is in Ned's Court right now...but what will he do, prize honor above all else or do his job as Kings Hand?:book:
In. Greyjoy.
Would you mind playing a different faction? The Greyjoys already have three players, but the Tyrells, Dragonstone and Storm's End only have two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
nonono i personally recruited him!
Okay, that's fine then. You're supposed to tell me these things... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Can you pass the pm and QT link on then please?
yes i can. i didnt tell yet because he would sign up when he came back :P but ill pass it on
BTW, if anybody disagrees with the characters in their faction, or thinks I've forgotten somebody, let me know. The make up of each faction isn't set in stone. Some of the choices weren't ideal, but I think I've got the best options in each faction. There were probably a few more I could have put in as vassals, but I didn't want to have an overwhelming number of characters, some factions already have quite a few.
Considering everyone knows who Lannister house's members are (and could see thier stats up until yesterday) I think there should be an addition to the opening post where every factions member and thier locations are listed.
Whoops, sorry I thought I'd got rid of that. I don't think any of the locations are a surprise, and I picked the Lannisters as the four characters would be pretty obvious to anyone.
Perhaps Lord Lannister should be sufficiently proud that his House is so reknowed and don't concern himself with other Houses?
Oberan Nymeros Martell
It's only fair, I'll put the main faction members in the op.
Done.
can you specify the cost and or requirements for knights, or when they are classified like longships, atleast give a specification like you gave for longships who or what can get knights?
Knights are landed gentry, they have no upkeep cost and can only be called upon in time of war. Losing knights can be disastrous for factions. Not all factions can call up knights, though they may have a few with the factional army.
Signing up and throwing my lot in with the Dragonstone. :bow:
Good to have you, has Beskie given you the role pm and QT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Yup, he has. Just waiting for your say-so before I post in the QT. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Sure, do your thing. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
ill give 5 dragonships to whoever can help me with Bayesian Probability right now
This was buried away in page three, I have quoted it in the op of the main thread, and will do so again here.
A lot of ideas I have come across are not in the spirit of this, I understand it's difficult not to use the knowledge you have but some of it is blatantly giving the characters psychic abilities. I won't disallow orders that I feel come into this category, but you may not like the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Hey, clarifying final orders: one player sends them all in, and the others (CCed) confirm with their approval?
Oh, yes, some of the QTs are getting rather long, you know who you are. I would appreciate it if you could put your faction orders in one post before the end of the phase. No need to pm me, unless you control an individual character and want to over-ride any QT orders. You sneaky devil.
Also; I have decided that everybody can play one character if they wish. One member of each team must be the Faction Leader however, and that person will control the characters without players. If anybody prefers to play as a team that will be fine as well.
cross post Monty, I think I answered your question anyway :)
*excited beyond comprehension* XD
You are going to need to be more clear about this...if I follow this then the Stark's will no matter what, choose the path they did in the books thenQuote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
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The world of "A Song of Ice and Fire" is more about there is no right answer that solves everything for everyone, rather then the right answer is always the hard and obvious one. I just want to know how free we are to act honorably/dishonorably and what you would define as being "psychic".(Since you would need some knowledge of the characters at least):confused:
It seems this war will be over sooner that I thought. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could think of something.
I could think of many things but would "Honest" Ned do them?:book:
Ah, ah, ah, I could never tell, though I can tell you that I can see at least one way for you to improve your situation without Ned becoming dishonerable.
Eager to get yours, non-entity of a Lattimore?
Huh, I thought this was the OOC thread.
It's not my fault your posts give off such a sinister vibe, Lannister. :P
are we supposed to follow the books? i thought this just like diplomacy but then set in westeros...
Yeah, we are free, JHT was just saying that you can't use any knowledge from the books after Robert Baratheon's death I suppose...
so i guess i can recall my fleet looking for the dragon queen? :devil:
You don't have to exactly follow the characters actions in the books, that would be silly.
You simply cannot use specific knowledge of things that haven't happened, for example;
If the game had started earlier, giving Lannister orders like "Cersei and Jaime should be careful where they get intimate" would probably work out fine. "No banging in that abandoned tower" would not.
There are orders under discussion using specific knowledge of things that haven't happened yet.
You haven't heard anything about a dragon queen as she doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Yet.
I like this...it means random and Not-so-random events are going to occur, at least I hope so. "Only fools fight over a house as it burns down around them" kind of thing but you must also keep in mind that there can be only one.:grin2:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Uh, JHT, is piracy from non PC's counted in this game?
There will be no piracy not directed by the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Can we have charming courtesans seduce enemy FM's?
The courtesans would of course bear many infections.
:mellow:
he is obviously joking! :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Admittedly, there are tons of possibilities of what could occur. But having major rivals become allies would be so unbelievably gamey, it would be untrue. These would be for example, Stannis or Renly willingly working with the Lannisters.
Starks to ally the Lannisters... it would be... "extremely difficult" to do this convincingly without it looking completely unrealistic of the situation. During this point of time, I believe Ned is trapped and he just tried to send a letter to Stannis (which doesn't get there) proclaiming him the Rightful Ruler endorsed by himself. It is easily possible for the Starks and Lannisters not to end up in war though, if for example, Ned Stark takes the Black and his son takes over. This would leave them conflicting, but "Neutral". However, the Stark's do have major influence with House Tully (currently NPC'd) which may be persuaded to join them.
I believe during this period too, Renly just escaped with the Knight of Roses to gather up forces in Storm's End and High-garden, and is just about to marry Margery of House Tyrell. Though upon joining these factions, I assume the players there would already know this. The lesser powers do have far more flexibility though in their choices.
Things are pretty difficult though for the three most powerful factions (Lannister, Stark and Tyrell) to actually end up on the same side.
By the game thread, we are far before that, I think Ned just wrote down Robert's will and Cersei is preparing Joffrey's coronation...
kinda depends, if a turn is a month than at the end of the month alot will have happened, including the things beskar just wrote.
How i understand it. Things have developed like they have in the books up until the situation JHT described in his first post. What ever will happen afterwards can be very different from the books or maybe not, currently depending a lot what the Stark´s decide.
The events I described happen within a few days of Robert's final breath. The first couple of hours afterwards has Renly disappearing with his Knights to Highgarden with the Knight of Roses, Stark getting imprisoned and Cersei's guards killing and capturing his household guard and daughters.
Considering where the Night Watch is located and they were just told Robert is on his deathbed. It is fair to assume the main dealings are under-way or have already done, especially as they were already in progress before Robert was dead.
However, there is merit in what Kagemusha says. It is down to Eddard Stark, as Hand. He can either support Renly (Ursuper Brother), support Stannis (Rightful Heir) or support Joffrey (Illegitimate non-blood related Lannister spawn). In the series, we all know Eddard supports Stannis and is forced under torture and consul to accept Joffrey for the 'sake of the kingdom' then was betrayed by being beheaded and Joffrey calling for Stark blood. This leads to Eddard's son fighting for independence supported by House Tully (and House Frey).
dont forget littlefinger who proposed that stark take the throne for himself. or is this too much out of character :P
Actually, littlefinger told eddard to back Joffrey and then Renly if joffrey got out of hand.
I believe this is correct. Stark was offered the throne before Robert, but Robert had to closer bloodline, thus he step-aside for Robert. Jaime actually almost took the throne for himself too at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
I thought this was after the whole "Renly fleeing to Highgarden" and "Eddard Stark is imprisoned" and I couldn't resist calling Renly out like that! I am going to edit it appriopiately, so Sigurd's response to it is still "valid", and as such.
As a note, only people who know/suspect the whole incest thing:
Eddard Stark
Stannis Baratheon (and confidants)
Renly Baratheon (and confidants and possibly via Knight of Roses, House Tyrell)
Cersei and Jamie Lannister (for obvious reasons)
Knight of Roses (see above)
I think that you're wrong here. Renly didn't have a clue about the incest untill Stannis wrote his letters, and I recall that even then he didn't believe it but took it as Stannis made-up excuse to claim the crown.Quote:
Renly Baratheon (and confidants and possibly via Knight of Roses, House Tyrell)
I have been searching for that very letter for Game reasons but I leant my books to my father (who lives elsewhere) so I haven't been able to get a copy. if anyone feels generous, feel free to pm it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gurkhal
I thought Renly suspected of the incest from his brother whilst Robert was alive, but he took no part in the shenanigans whilst Stannis got John Arryn involved (and was subsequently killed when he had the evidence mulling over presenting it to Robert) and Stannis left fearing for his own life. Renly not taking part of the shenanigans didn't need to fear until Robert was murdered and sought out Ned Stark in order to convince him to support his claim upon the throne, Ned Stark in reply said Stannis is the rightful heir and not him. Renly left in a huff out of King's Landing to the south to call his own banners along with the support of House Tyrell.
I don't remember Renly "Not knowing" about it since he uses it himself and basically because Stannis is so unloved (whilst he is very much a "Young Robert") he can actually gather the support behind him.
Yes, but in the game it has been only few hours at most...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
How fast does the Raven fly? Robert died the night he returned. The Wall is far anyway, regardless, it seems we the players have gone closer to the happenings and as I am not the Starks or Lannisters or Renly, I don't have an 'accurate starting' pm and i edited my earlier post in the game thread to reflect this fact. (If the players accept this amendment of mine, it is in the same spirit as the earlier message)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
Still interesting to see what happened in the book and what players do though!
Out of Character Convention!
With the last message in the thread, I think we should put any OOC stuff in spoilers, so people can read through the thread and messages without getting distracted by totally out of character information.
For example:
*Stannis paces the hallway and throws the sigil of House Richmort out of the window towards the ocean.*
I shall not tolerant the presence of such deceitful cretins within my kingdom.
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Everyone is Genre Savvy. john, you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into.
Kival has joined Dragonstone.
I just hope everybody understands how much work there is in the background and will give me a break if they don't agree with certain things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
We understand. Im so thankful to you for hosting this kind of game. I know its very stressful
If everything doesn't appease us we will have you hanged and drawn. Then your innards will be sewn back inside you so we can have you drawn again and beheaded. Your body will be thrown to the direwolves. Your head will make a fine meal for the crows.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
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I had no idea the Starks fed thier wolves Human flesh.