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Originally Posted by johnhughthom
jht needs to be investigated eventually.
We have 1 investigation and 1 lynch each day. If we use them both, we get 14 or something according to your total. That means we get roughly the same number, but faster. This also eliminates the really freaking boring 48 hours of no discussion, because the mafia know they can just hide in the no lynch bandwagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Can't leta guy have a bit of fun, eh? I wasn't particularly serious about the No Lynch campaign, it came about by accident yesterday. I just noted that if patience and the Mafia schedule/calendar were not issues, we would be better off not lynching for a while.
But a veteran did say No Lynches were useful near the endgame, so we'll see when we get there.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Seon was sleeping restlessly. He tossed and turned in his bed to no end; coincidentally, he was also a very light sleeper. So, naturally, when the dark figure crept into his room, Seon shot up out of bed.
Seon: "Who's there??"
The figure didn't respond. He walked into the room, closing the door behind him.
Seon: "Who are you??"
Again, no response. The figure inched closer to Seon.
And closer.
And closer.
Next thing Seon knew, the figure was standing right next to him. Seon yelped, scrambling to get out of bed. He ended up falling off the bed, onto the floor, and hurting his arm.
Seon: "Ohhhhhh, my arm."
The figure suddenly smiled.
Dark figure: "Here, I can help take away the pain."
He then slit Seon's throat.
-----
That morning, everyone was gathered down in the main room. Apprehensive.
When Johhog came down the stairs, alive and healthy, it rendered the others speechless with shock.
Tratorix: "You're... alive?"
Johhog: "Obviously. Unfortunately, Seon wasn't quite as lucky as myself. He is dead. But, I also have news, on a better note. Populus Romanus is town!"
Populus Romanus grinned.
Populus Romanus: "See? Aren't you glad you didn't kill me yesterday? Heehee!!!"
His accusers the previous day just muttered under their breath.
It is now DAY THREE!
ALIVE:
[14]
Askthepizzaguy
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael
Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom
Memnon
Montmorency
Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[1]
TheLastDays (D1)
KILLED:
[2]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[2]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
Deadline:
Vote: Populous Romanus I guess. Though I am a bit concerned that the mafia didn't kill Johhoq, since having verified townies running around seems like a bad idea.
Continue.
Vote: Populus Romanus
Why would that concern you, Tratorix? It's prettty good for town.
Vote: Tratorix
Vote: Populus Romanus
This almost seems to simple. Where is the strategy if we can just vote the guy who was confirmed innocent last round?
Yes. So there are three options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
1. The mafioso are stupid.
2. It's an attempt to sow discord and try to get us doubting the validity of the investigation results.
3. There is something about the investigation mechanic we are not aware of.
I'm going to assume it's either 2 or 3 since 1 is completely unhelpful. It's a terrible strategy to leave cleared townies alive, since it further narrows our pool of suspects.
Believer, did you really think the shirt would abide a Mafia victory? This isn't some sort of unmanly test of wits
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
In this game, the iron fists of the town meet the hollow bones of the Mafia - and break them.
Well, Tratorix, you're saying that the Mafia knows something about scan mechanics that we don't.
It's quite possible. The mafia often knows things the town doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
So then what, at least one of the first two scans is Mafia? That's the only way it would make sense. As in, a mafioso wearing the shirt gets opposite scan results?
I find it terribly difficult to believe that the first-timer (Memnon) is Mafia and that we happened to pick Mafia on the first day.
Ah, that changes matters. Very well. Mafia can definitely do somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Unvote: Tratorix
I don't think PR could be mafia though; doesn't make sense to draw attention to oneself with shenanigans.
Neither of those things affect his chance of being mafia. But I'm not saying we should lynch him, it's just something to keep in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Nothing to see here.
It would be amusing (in a twisted sense of the word) if the shirt was completely useless and gave town results for everybody...but in the interim we should probably trust it. I maintain my suspicion of Seamus Fermanagh, however, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I believe that Seon was killed to frame me (Egotistical? Moi?). He was the sole person to vote for me yesterday, and so it looks suspicious that he died. Seamus is fairly experienced, from what I gather, and so is probably the sort of person that could pull this off. Secondly, I voted for Seamus yesterday, and possibly he took offence at that. Maybe he thought I was a threat to him, and decided to kill two birds with one stone by murdering Seon and getting me lynched.
Yes, I realise none of the above is conclusive, or even overly indicative, but it's something to bear in mind. I won't vote for Seamus yet, in case somebody comes up with a decent case in the interim, but I'll vote for him later today if that doesn't occur. Also, I realise this post in worryingly similar to what got me killed as Bugsy in 'The Thing' mafia, but at least in this game I can keep talking after I'm dead. Anyway, that's just my two cents.
That could just as easily be used to argue that someone is framing Seamus.Quote:
Seamus is fairly experienced, from what I gather, and so is probably the sort of person that could pull this off. Secondly, I voted for Seamus yesterday, and possibly he took offence at that. Maybe he thought I was a threat to him, and decided to kill two birds with one stone by murdering Seon and getting me lynched.
Recall the Vespasian game? I kept saying, "Woah, look at these lynches and night kills! Someone's got to be framing Ishmael."
Yeah, that didn't bear out so well.
Yes, I just realised that I've got a 3 from 3 losing record at Mafia, so it may be a good idea to just ignore everything I say :beam:. That said, I've got nothing better to go on at the moment.
:smug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
:stare: :angry:
vote: AskThePizzaGuy for being much too quiet. He must be scheming devious things.
vote: Seamus Fermanagh for hosting a game I'm very much looking forward to (not that this one isn't great, Zack!)
Vote: B_Ray for voting for me on such awful reasoning, not voting Romanus the shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
I'm quiet because as interesting as being a vanilla townie in a game with detectives and not being scanned or murdered like I asked is lame, I have other games which require actual thought which I'm playing in on other sites, take up more of my time.
VOTE: Populus Romanus
VOTE: Askthepizzaguy
Let me get rid of your pain.
Btw, whatcha gonna ask him? The Pizza Guy?
HEY I HAS AN IDEA
WHY NOT SCAN ME LIKE I ASKED TWICE ALREADY
DERPA DERPA DERPA DOOOOOO :laugh4:
Good god people, you can't read me at all, ever.
Do I has to post proof that you can't read me for :daisy:? Do I have to bring out the record books and SHOW YOU how awful you are at reading me? Do I? Do I???
I'll do it.
I'll bleepin do it.
You're not the only one. But they've never got me correctly as scum. :P (Cause I've only been it once. :P:)
I've been scum in like 25-30 games now on 3 different fora. I have roughly 125-140 games under my belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
I've been guessed as mafia exactly once, provided it wasn't done via detective result and I was mafia and had mafia allies (No SK included in this example).
And that was my first game as scum, second game ever.
Wanna see? I have the record, I can post it for you.
I'd like to see the game actually.
So here it is.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Totalwar.org = 88 games.
TotalwarCenter = roughly 20 games.
Civilization Fanatics Center = roughly 20 games.
Times lynched as Mafia (meaning, not solo or recruited cult) excluding detective results = ONE TIME, on my first game as scum.
Hasn't happened since.
Know why?
Because people don't even try to read me. They don't even try. They don't bother, they just randomly decide to lynch me or not, and they've been wrong again, and again, and again. And then they need their precious detectives to figure me out, and that is why I hate detectives.
But go ahead!
SCAN ME!
I double triple dog dare you, townies. Because you can't guess my alignment at all without the help of the game host telling you what my alignment is.
Can't judge me worth a gad dang, never have. You clearly need help. So, do it. Use your crutch. Scan Askthepizzaguy.
What about Cpdwane in Buffy IV? Or was that just a hunch? I suppose, you were converted. I suspected you, but I killed SS instead.
Not counting vigs?
Yeah, cult example though. I was townie most of the game, helped defeat them, and got desperation converted at the end, out of what I can only conclude was spite or grasping at straws. You want to count that one, fine I guess... but that's stretching the definitions a bit. I'll include examples where I was starting cult, but I was mostly townie in that game, just like the council of villains example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Even if you include it, the reason I was lynched wasn't because I was acting scummy, as my record was 100% townie up until the round I got lynched. It was because there was a cult, and for no other reason.
And even if you include it, that's not a record townies should be proud of. I challenge you guys to finally start to rack up some "Askthepizzaguy is acting scummy" lynches that are actually true and don't rely on the crutch of the game host revealing my card at your whims.
That's not what mafia should be about. Try to read me. Come on, I post more than most other people, I HAVE to be leaving clues somewhere! SOLVE ME!!!
Just TRY, that's all I'm asking. :bigcry: Just bleedin' try, for once....
And if you don't want to try, there's a detective in this game. Do it the wimpy way. Reveal my card. Blind lynch me for no reason, and the streak continues.
I dare you folks to man up and solve me the hard way. But, if you can't do it, just use your crutch and scan me. You blow this chance, and I'll never look at townies the same way again. And my opinion of townies is really at an all-time low, after such games as The Campground and Mafia X where townies wouldn't ever stop calling for my head. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Then we have Netherworld, and you were wrong again.
I challenge you. Your reputations as townies are on the line here. Try to solve me, for real, this time.
Games I was actually vigged in as scum? What are they?:book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
I don't think it's happened yet, tbh.
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Or was it Buffy IV? That may have been the only time, and like I said, it was the round after I got converted, and I was townie the entire rest of the time.
That's still a lousy example.
Buffy IV yeah. That's the only game I played with you, with you as a scum. It's an example nonetheless. :P
I haven't made it past night one in my last games except for Vespasian where I was scum, so don't blame me. :P (Except for Midgard. That was my own fault).
What I'm looking for are examples of games where I was mafia scum (not neutral, not SK) and I was lynched because I was acting scummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Why am I doing that?
Because, in this game, there's a mafia. And, I'm being voted because people think me being quieter than usual is scummy.
Okay, then let's run with that premise. If I'm being voted because I am scummy, then I wonder exactly how good our scumdars are. So I checked and lo and behold, the last people to guess correctly and lynch me because I was scummy was 3 years and over a hundred games ago. Now, in the interim, there is a game or two where I'm townie, townie, townie, townie, townie, recruited as cult, then murdered. That's not what I'm looking for as an example of townies actually reading me correctly. That's an example of townies having to guess *who got converted*, not who was *acting scummy*. That's different.
Do you see what I'm saying? And I've been lynched countless times by countless townies who think I'm scummy, and they've either been wrong or had the host point out my scum for them. So either the scumdar needs adjustment, or they need to keep scanning me, and I just think that's lame as heck.
(deep breath)
So, do you think I am scummy? Okay, so why did I ask to be scanned N1, and then ask to be scanned N2? Are you suggesting I have diamond cojones? Are we suggesting that I believe I can survive this game as scum by asking to be scanned and having people not listen to me every time?
Is that the suggestion???
OKAY! LETS RUN WITH THAT! I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENT!
SCAN ME.
:bounce:
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, we don't scan me, and we don't lynch me, because either one should be really bleeping absurd if you think about it.
Maybe you scan someone else and find a scumbag. Maybe you lynch someone else and find a scumbag.
Maybe that's the whole point of getting the "scan pizza" out of the way ASAP, so you'll have a better shot at scanning scum later on in the game, where you have fewer suspects.
Maybe trying to demonstrate how townie I am by asking to be scanned twice in a row, now three times in a row, will assist you in not wasting time lynching me or scanning me.
Maybe all of this was my calculated strategy at the beginning of the game, based on the host's stated setup.
Maybe everything I've done all game long has been 100% pro-town, and demonstrably so, and there's not a single SCUMMY thing about it, and everyone suggesting I'm "scummy" now needs to get their heads examined!
Calm down Neddily diddily diddly.... they tried their best shoddily-iddly-iddly.... not their fault they can't read me worth a diddly diddly diddly....
Sorry for the repeated intrusion but somebody voting ATPG because he is a panicing scum will make my day. :laugh4:
DOOOOO EEEET!!!! DOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEET!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
:laugh4:
I want to see that. I want to have this on my record. Make it happen, people.
I must say, ATPG's continuous posting and frantic defence of himself really looks like he's panicking scum. Vote:ATPG.
...
Good enough :laugh4:? That said, I'll retain the vote based on the following logic:
a) If we lynch ATPG and he's innocent, his streak continues
b) If we scan ATPG and he's scum (or town) his streak still continues, as it will count as a detective scan
c) If we lynch ATPG and he's scum, we break his streak.
Therefore, if we want to uphold ATPG's wishes we should take option c) and lynch him. QED :yes:.
Also, vote: Populus Romanus.
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Originally Posted by johnhughthom
JHT voted Memnon the shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Johhog voted Memnon the shirt.
Memnon voted Johnhughthom the shirt.
Memnon scans Johhog with the shirt.Quote:
Memnon: "I checked Double A's room; he's dead. I tried to use the power of the shirt to determine his murderer -- for his throat was slit -- but it was to no avail. All I discovered was that Johhog didn't do it." (Johhog has been scanned as town!)
Johhog: "Well, the shirt obviously works."
Memnon votes Johhog for the shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
JHT questions why Memnon scanned Johog.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Johog votes himself for the shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Johog isn't murdered N2.Quote:
When Johhog came down the stairs, alive and healthy, it rendered the others speechless with shock.
Tratorix: "You're... alive?"
Johhog: "Obviously. Unfortunately, Seon wasn't quite as lucky as myself. He is dead. But, I also have news, on a better note. Populus Romanus is town!"
Populus Romanus grinned.
Populus Romanus: "See? Aren't you glad you didn't kill me yesterday? Heehee!!!"
His accusers the previous day just muttered under their breath.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
This is the last bleeping straw.
The scumbags are Johhog and Memnon, who used the shirt to "clear" themselves. When the mafia scum wear the shirt, they can "clear" other scumbags, as Zack's smug little smiley face implies.
When they're not murdered at night, I hope you people realize this and destroy them.
As for me, having Johhog vote me instead of scanning me as I requested is good enough reason to MAKE HIM DIE.
unvote, vote: Johhog
Nice try, scummo. But what, may I ask, was your plan for later on in the game? Were you maybe gonna have to murder members of your own team? Maybe?
Vote: Askthepizzaguy for the shirt.
Let me scan Memnon. Even if you don't lynch the clearly guilty Johhog, I'll find out the truth tonight, and I'll have Memnon and Johhog exposed for their treachery by tomorrow. BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! :evil:
After that, kill Johnhughthom. Do it.
I must say, your post looks like bird poop. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Oh, in case you're wondering, this is a Zack-hosted game.
Yes, that Zack.
The Zack who hosted Zack mafia and Zack mafia II.
The Zack who creates extremely bizarre setups. He's almost as bad as me in that regard.
This whole game is a concept game. The concept of the game revolves around the shirt.
The shirt, which by the way, the rules don't state explicitly what happens when the scums get the shirt.
The shirt, which by the way, was voted to someone by the people who were then scanned by the shirt.
The shirt, which by the way, is being passed on to the people who got scanned by the shirt.
The people who voted for the people who either held the shirt or were scanned by the shirt, by the way, were voted in kind by the people who either held the shirt or were scanned by the shirt.
Co-inky-dinky-tastic! :laugh4: Surely just a coincidence.
For balance, this game has.... 4 scumbags. :book:
They scan a couple or even three of themselves, and we wonder why they're not getting murdered.
Zack allows them to murder someone. Like Johhog. They still have 3 left. They'll win easily.
Then they continue murdering as we try to scan everyone else in the game who hasn't been scanned.
WELL I SAY NAY-NAY.
Before you can assume all that garbage is true, why not toss a monkey wrench in this grand plan. Why not give the shirt to someone you know is a townie without even having scanned them, i.e. ME.
I'll confirm if Memnon's scan of Johhog is worth ANYTHING AT ALL.
Then, let's have..... I dunno.... someone completely random, you name the person. Have THAT person scan me.
Then you'll know if MY scan of Memnon is worth a darned thing at all.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You were right, Tratorix. You were right, Montmorency. I see it now.
We can still stop their plan. It can happen. But the very first thing that needs to happen is the townies need to take their collective heads out of their collective buttocks and not 100% trust Johhog and Memnon.
Maybe you don't lynch them immediately. Maybe you just test this theory first.
It doesn't matter. It's still early enough in the game. You could play it cautiously, and if I'm right, you've already nailed 2 of the scumbags and you've got some nice leads as to who numbers 3 and 4 could be.
Then you know what? Lynch me anyway. Just to get it out of your system. You know you wanna.
Boo-yah. :cool:
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RULES
Gosh! NO ALIGNMENT REVEAL!Quote:
5. No alignment reveal after death.
6. Deceased players may not reveal any information that is not available in thread, but are allowed to contribute to discussion as much as they like.
I wonder if maybe it would cause problems if someone scanned as townie but flipped mafia on death!
I'm going to repeat that. Because it bears repeating.
RULES
Gosh! NO ALIGNMENT REVEAL!Quote:
5. No alignment reveal after death.
6. Deceased players may not reveal any information that is not available in thread, but are allowed to contribute to discussion as much as they like.
I wonder if maybe it would cause problems if someone scanned as townie but flipped mafia on death!
:bow: Thank you this has been Askthepizzaguy, Tratorix, and Montmorency solving the game for you. You're welcome.
You know what ATPG, you've half convinced me. That is, I'll still vote for you to be lynched, but I'll also vote to give you the shirt.
unvote, vote: ATPG
Good, you're halfway to a wise decision. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
If you don't like me or trust me, ask Seamus Fermanagh or Believer or.... most folks, really, to have the shirt and to scan Memnon tonight.
We can even totally wimp out and go No Lynch.
But seriously. I have the cojones to just blind lynch Johhog for his treachery. I don't need no freaking scan results. :evil: Join me?
Now, let's look at the activity chart and see how screwed town is regardless of what I say.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
And how much time is remaining?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Well, I'm boned today. That's kewl. But, you still have Tratorix and Montmorency and a smattering of less active folks who can take heed of what I say and save the game.
You lynch me and allow Populus to have the shirt, you won't be able to trust those results. You need someone completely objective and impartial to scan Memnon.
That's the only way you can trust Memnon's scans, and by extension, Johhog's scans.
Ignore me at your peril, have a nice round.
No death reveals, hadn't noticed that.
Vote: ATPG
Mmmm a little better.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
But, this doesn't matter much if I'm lynched. Also, you were the first to vote Memnon the shirt, so I have my peepers on you.
That's only 50/50 really, it's not as bad as what Johhog and Memnon have been doing. There could be a bunch of scumbags and you may have simply gotten unlucky. Or, this could have been your plan. I'm not sure which is the case.
If you manage to stop this nonsense and we get to scan Memnon by someone I trust, then I'll drop you as a suspect for your townie moves here.
For that to happen I need to not be lynched today.
Let me live and have me personally perform the scan, or, a group of three people that are not me, and not Johhog, Memnon, or Populus Romanus get to choose who wears the shirt today to scan Memnon tonight.
You have to scan Memnon and it has to be reliable. Or, we can do things the Askthepizzaguy way, which is lynch based on scummy behavior. Which means lynch Johhog, then Memnon, and then me if you think this is all a trap.
I like to think I have a history of doing something to welcome newbies to games which is all my voting the shirt to Memnon was.
The obvious answer to this is false results, surely framing Askthepizzaguy on night one would be high on the list of cool things to do for mafia? Didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I'd really like to believe you, I need all the allies I can get right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Not as valuable as the "clearing" of Johhog.Quote:
The obvious answer to this is false results, surely framing Askthepizzaguy on night one would be high on the list of cool things to do for mafia? Didn't happen.
It's a nice idea but here's the big flaw in such a plan:
There aren't more than say, 4 mafia.
Even if you do the scan a player, give them the shirt deal, what happens after about 4 rounds? A townie gets the shirt.
Then what? They scan Memnon or Johhog and that plan unravels completely.
It's super high risk. It won't work, I just exposed the big weakness. Thing is, the scums are going to be a larger team to combat the shirt, and they only need about 4 or 5 mislynches to win the game or have the townies so confused they cannot solve it.
It's worth it. The game is won in the first few rounds really, assuming the townies don't get their act together and doubt the scans quickly.
But townies being townies, they rely on detectives to save the game for them. As such, they deserve to get pwned by the shirt.
But I don't trust these claims, and so therefore, I cannot be defeated by the shirt. I can only be defeated by my fellow townies now.
But yeah, regarding the mafia getting to pick what the scan results are, you're right: I FULLY expect that if any scan on me were to happen by Populus Romanus tonight, I'd scan mafia. But, if say.... one of the people who opposed giving Memnon the shirt were to scan me, I'd scan townie.
Interesting. And if I were to scan townie, I'd get murdered really fast. Same night, most likely.
As such, I can't recommend scanning me except by roughly half of the players in the game which I doubt are invested in this Memnon gambit. Trouble is since I'm a suspect you can't really trust who I would recommend.
Who would be the most impartial?
Maybe, just maybe, the scum kept us alive just so they could attack us for still being alive, huh? If we don't lynch me today I can accept your run for the shirt, that's fine for me. But the point is, you don't really have any case on me. And yeah, the next non-ATPG-shirtholder should investigate him.
Okay I accept your challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Unvote me and I'll scan Memnon, and that will clear Memnon and yourself if I am in fact a townie.
But, that won't convince people. They'll need a third party to confirm me. Trouble is, I don't know who all your friends are and I can't guarantee they won't be scum.
I'm not as worried about that though, I just want the scan on Memnon by me. If that happens, then I'll know what's really happening here.
The case on you is as simple as can be: you're voting for me and I know I'm townie. Best scum catching method I've ever used, and it has the skulls of many who came before you on my mantle.Quote:
But the point is, you don't really have any case on me.
But, if you want specific reasons, your actions and memnon's actions and the current giving of the shirt to Populus Romanus directly mirrors the behavior of the scumbags who would be performing a "falsely clear your ally" move. It's uncanny.
I don't like coincidences, so that's why I believe it's happening. That plus your vote on me. If it wasn't both happening at once, I'd probably ignore it, but together? Scummiest thing in the universe.
Still need impartial names. Who is impartial?Quote:
And yeah, the next non-ATPG-shirtholder should investigate him.
If we assume there's 4 scums on your team, or, if we assume I'm scum and I have my own fictional army of scumbag allies (who are going to let me get lynched today, lol) then who do we trust to be truly impartial with the scans?
That's tough. I don't know who I could recommend to scan me, whose opinion I would trust, whose opinion others would trust. Obviously if I choose folks like Believer or Seamus Fermanagh, given their votes to give me the shirt, it will look like they're my scum buddies.
I dunno. I don't really care about all that. If I get a scan off on Memnon and he flips townie, then I know I can trust Memnon and his scans on Johhog, and Johhog's scans on Populus Romanus by extension.
I'm just wagering none of that happens. I doubt I survive long enough to scan anyone. I doubt if I get the shirt I'll live to see the morning where my results would come through. I wonder if they would even work if I die with the shirt on.
I am thinking I get the shirt, scan Memnon, and I get murdered and there's no detective result. Next person tries to confirm Memnon, same deal happens to them.
Oh I wish I could stay up and think this all through but it is almost 9AM and I have work in 6 hours. I have to sleep.
But I will check in just before work, read this thread as my top priority, and see if we haven't figured this out.
But you know what? I'd rather be Askthepizzaguy and just plain old lynch Johhog. I'm in that kind of mood where I want to take the shirt's results and toss them in the garbage. They mean nothing to me. This is purely for the townie's benefit who want to trust in the shirt to win the game for them.
I don't trust the shirt. :snobby: I trust my brain. It makes mistakes but is more trustworthy than a device whose results are going to be obviously flawed by the bearer if the bearer is scum, in a game with an unknown number of scum and not tons of time to solve it.
So my top recommendation is me gets the shirt, I scans Memnon, we lynches Johhog.
My next top recommendation is me gets the shirt, I scans Memnon, we lynches nobody.
My next top recommendation is someone besides Populus Romanus or JHT gets the shirt, they scans Memnon, we lynches Johhog.
My next top recommendation is someone besides Populus Romanus or JHT gets the shirt, they scans Memnon, we lynches nobody.
After that, I can't recommend any moves besides No lynch.
Unvote; Populus Romanus.
Vote: ATPG
Vote: Abstain
For now.
Nah, it would be pointless to lynch me. I personally doubt this thing about scum clearing scum buddies when they get the shirt. A No Lynch is fine for me though.
Guys, remember, if you lynch me, don't give ATPG the shirt, and if you give him the shirt, don't lynch me. You can't have both.
VOTE: Askthepizzaguy
UNVOTE: Askthepizzaguy
VOTE: No Lynch
What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Vote: Johhog
For now.
My internet's down because of the hurricane, so i have to use my phone, meaning I can't vote, although if I could I would vote to give pizzaguy the shirt and to lynch monty, apparently the color or bolded text doesn't work on this.
If pizzaguy's assumptions are correct about the mafia-shirt thing, then, unless the shirt malfunctions or something then myself, populus, and johhog are townies, pizza, scan me if you want, but it would only serve to re-clear three people.
How I wish that I knew. Also, JHT, don't say "for now". Everyone voting me needs to tell me why. It's failproof to No Lynch/Lynch someone not me, Memnon or Populus Romanus, because ATPG will scan Memnon tonight, making it unnecessary to lynch me.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Kill Johog! Give Pizza the shirt! Get movie sign!
Ready? Go!
You don't think the mafia get false scans, but don't know what could happen when they get the shirt? I think it's pretty obvious why I'm voting you, if you had given a real answer to my question I might have moved my vote. You didn't, so I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Guys, I don't know if you did read the game rules or not, but it's NO REVEAL. A lynch on me would be a wasted lynch on a known innocent. Surely you must be able to wait for a day before you lynch me? If Memnon flips guilty, lynch me all you want to.
Am I missing something obvious here? How do we know what happens when Mafia has the shirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
We don't, the obvious idea has been suggested and you rejected it with no other suggestions offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Ok, somehow my internet came back up for the moment, so I'll Vote:Askthepizzaguy in order to clear my name, or if something unknown happens, cause me to be lynched.:shrug:
Vote:Montmorency
That is frightening if the shirt could be used like that by the mafia, but it hasn't for all of my knowledge, I voted Johhog after everyone else did because the shirt had cleared his name. So, yeah, Pizza scan me, in order to resolve this conundrum.:dizzy2:
Unvote, Vote: Johhog
Unvote, Vote: ATPG
Lets see where this goes.
Why don't we wait until Pizza's scan of me to lynch Johhog? When I turn up townie, then Johhog will be vindicated, as will Populus, the only problem I see is that Pizza may indeed be mafia, so I'm not sure wghat his scan will produce. All I know is thaut I'm town, and if I am, then so should Johhog, as well as Populus.(sorry for grammaer and/or spelling, back to my phone).
I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.
There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?
Unvote: Populus Romanus
But who do we give the shirt to? We can never completely trust that the person we give it to isn't mafia (thanks a lot Zack you evil jerk).Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Everyone voting me needs to unvote NOW. Remember that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
All I can say(and hope you believe) is that i'm not mafia, so if i'm not mafia, neither is Johhog, and so neither is Populus, I am a townie, the only way to prove it is to make multiple scans, and that's just a waste, as is not giving the shirt to anyone. Besides, would I be so obviously making a target for lynching out of myself if I was mafia? I'm not completely new to this
No, the only way to prove it investigate you. If you come up townie, your scans can be verified, at least for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
I don't think ATPG is a good lynch. Provide me with a better target and I'll consider it.Quote:
Everyone voting me needs to unvote NOW. Remember that I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
What we need is to get the less active people on board to get better profiles, come on people, I just went through a hurricane!
That's what I'm saying. If you three are innocent, and Pizza is Mafia, then you will all (presumably) come up as Mafia.
I just don't know. Suggesting that I get the shirt here would be laughable, but I guess I will try.
Vote: Montmorency
Take a chance on me? :/
And that hurricane tweren't even a thang, the tornado did loads more damage.
Yes, but if all three of us came up as mafia, wouldn't that put suspicion on Pizza as well? I don't know, I guess I'll Vote: Montmorency
Unvote,Vote: Warmansomethingorother
This is the scummiest post yet in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
You do remember that it is the host that reveals the result of the lynch, not the player himself? So there is no way for mafia to fudge up who's guilty. You deserve this lynch.
Unvote; Abstain
Vote: Montmorency
Lynch? I'm voting ATPG for the shirt, not for the lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
holy crap, tl;dr
OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPV the Sacred Shirt?
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
PizzaVolcano, mmmm, molten cheese.
Pizza is a dish best served hot-as-lava.
To sum it up, Pizza's angry at me and Johhog for not scanning him and thinks that we are involved in a conspiracy as the mafia, he wants the shirt in order to scan me to prove that we three(Memnon, Populus, and Johhog) are town-aligned because when I am proven innocent(unless Pizza is mafia) then we have three proven townies who have not been killed off yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
The strategy that Pizza supports entails me being scanned, Johhog being lynched, and then follow-up on the scan.
Not to say that I support the lynching of Johhog, because when I'm proven innocent, so will Johhog and Populus, I say lynch the quiet!
Hi Montmorency. My name is Askthepizzaguy, I don't believe we've met.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
We have now. Consider this standard Askthepizzaguy behavior.
Want evidence of similar behavior? Let me drag out Visions of the Animus so I could point out what happened when Kagemusha was the second person to join my wagon on day 2.
What happened was I had a seizure and insisted he died. Guess what I was right he was mafia. And dead sexy too.
Yup that's why someone else needs to scan me.Quote:
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
That would be fine, but ideal is to have me scan Memnon.Quote:
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?