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Is it tomorrow we're doing this battle?
Both battles used November 4 non-EDU essential files? (i.e., projectile, mount, etc.)
EDIT: Scratch that. There hasn't been an update since October 1.
gg2 I dunno about such low exp armies for the Sweboz, they did raid and fought through half of Gaul and the Danube basin...
And do you really think 4 Gaisofulxo Frijod are better for the young and poors than Jugundiz and Sloxonez?
Numbers as a whole are quite clear, 300k the invasion group (1/4 of able men is very logical) and 80k legionaries/socii...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
After the battle, consul P. Rutilius Rufus, informed how Romans weren't to leave Italy as the rest of the area wasn't safe; imo says how their 3 quickly raised armies got destroyed...
- I wasn't sure about the Boii Cingetos and Norici, because first they are quite professional troops and second the Norici were allied with Rome...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
- Decided for a Uirodusios, because I was using the Sweboz roster and I needed a semi-professional Keltic unit for the Tigurini general, but since he was unkown, or maybe was just a noble council, I went for the nakeds...
- Yes, missiles I wasn't too sure, but I thought to add some "foragers, hunters and scouts" to the mix...
Yes, in my army I consider really Ambrones the first "elite" units, rest were mostly Teutones, Cimbri and Danubian folks...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Each battle had its own EDU so far, I hope we'll get the official MP EDU compatible for HBs, if we keep on doing one per week :PQuote:
Originally Posted by vartan
If you still need the PM with all compos, lemme know and I'll send it asap ^^
That's old news as of Shak's post. I'm inquiring about non-EDU essential files and whether those used were the originals or those as of EBO MP EDU 3.0 build 1001, because those are two different things and if everyone is ignorant about it I shall assume the latter case as that's what your directories would be tainted with since you all are EBO players to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
I don't think that anything needs to be changed to accommodate units in this battle. Past two we ran into instances where units present were not in the respective rosters. And of course 6 fear cataphracts in Magnesia seemed a little unfair to the Romans. I think the current normal edu would work perfectly for this battle unless there are some units involved that I am not aware of.
Oh and Vartan, the other 3 files located within the data folder have not been touched for HB. Only the backup mp edu has been modified.
Yes, sorry, only EDU in the MP backup was modified...Quote:
Originally Posted by vartan
Yes, and since next battle is Pydna, and Romans have eles there too, can't we just add them in the official EDU? XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
If I understand, it was actually 200,000 to 300,000 able bodied soldiers/men in the group, not the entire group numbering 300,000.
Total casualties and captured people, when Marius was done, is given at 310.000, and they say that with that the two tribes were annihilated, with few survivors settling in Belgica...
Plus can see many similarities with the invasion of the Balkans and with the Helvetii migration, seemed like very reasonable numbers...
200k-300k warriors would need something like 800k-1mil people in total to sustain, and that's just plain impossible...
PS: is the revised composition ok for everyone?
If everyone is ok for 19 GMT as last time, I hope so :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
Wouldn't that be an awfully large migration for this period? If there were 300,000 able bodied men, we'd have to assume at the very least 800,000 total, probably closer to one million migrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Is it just me or do those numbers sound a little bit over the top?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
IIRC, it was the start of a 100 or so year decline in the population of some parts of Germania. It was very big. Big enough that subsequently the peninsula was occupied by the Jutes, Angles, and Varini.
I'd put the number somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 men capable of military service.
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Originally Posted by Arjos
I would like to raise that question again. It seems as If nobody wanted to answer the question of the date of this battle. I thought it would happen... now but there are not enough guys.
Hey Arjos, did you make a mistake when making the unit list? Me and Vega have looked through the Sweboz unit list and we can't find any unit called "Xorjonoz Dreugondijoz", which you have set for Boiorix and Theudobod.
Was using the heimstatt list and that's an old name, thx for the heads up ^^
Fixed with Dreugolōzez Brunjādoi...
Right, I'd put it at about 80-100,000 troops then, compared with 80,000 romans.
I'll recount how many are now with this compo, since we added quite a few units with 100 men, I think we reached a similar number...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Edit: ok, now the cimbrian army has little more men, so let's say something in the region of 82k...
Wait, are we going with my composition?
I've kept on editing mine with all your feedbacks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Can we just have a sticky with army lists for famous battles somewhere so we can play them out whenever we want to?
Why not give them the Xosenthozez Xazdadoi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
Gave them 1 of each, wanted only the 2 generals with the eagle...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
I'll make a new thread, where I'll add compos after each battle...Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Btw Magnesia I've adjusted the armies with some rounding, we should really re-play it :P
4v4 HBs bit rare lately, so back with a 3v3:
Battle of Pydna (168 BC)
Makedonia (roughly 42.000)
Perseos (right)
Royal Guard (general unit) - 1x Somatophylakes Strategou
2.000 Sacred and Royal Squadrons - 2x Hetairoi (1 chevron)
1.000 Light Squadron - 1x Hetairoi Aspidophoroi (1 chevron)
1.000 Cretans - 1x Toxotai Kretikoi
1.000 Greek exiles - 1x Hoplitai
2.000 Agrianes - 2x Agrianikoi Pelekuphoroi
4.000 Phalangites - 4x Hysteroi Pezhetairoi
Antigonos (center)
3.000 Caetrati (general unit) - 3x Peltastai Makedonikoi (1 chevron)
17.000 Phalangites - 4x Pezhetairoi and 9x Phalangitai Deuteroi (1 chevron)
2.000 Cretans - 2x Toxotai Kretikoi
Kotys IV (left) - Getai
Kotys' Guard (general unit) - 1x Phylakes Daoi
6.000 Thracians - 1x Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi and 5x Thraikioi Peltastai (1 chevron)
1.000 Gauls - 1x Galatikoi Kluddolon (1 chevron)
1.000 Illyrian Penestae - 1x Illyrioi Thureophoroi
1.000 Odrysian Cavalry - 1x Thraikioi Hippeis (1 chevron)
SPQR (roughly 39.000)
Lucius Aemilius Paullus (center)
Aemilius' Guard (general unit) - 1x Eqvites Consvlares
1.000 Cretans - 1x Toxotai Kretikoi
7.000 Legionaries - 1x Velites, 2x Hastati, 2x Principes, 1x Triarii (polybian) and 1x Pedites Extraordinarii
6.000 Legionaries - 1x Akontistai, 2x Hastati Samnitici, 2x Pezoi Brettioi (1 chevron), 1x Iphikratous Hoplitai (1 chevron)
Lucius Postumius Albinus (right)
Albinus' Guard (general unit) - 1x Eqvites Consvlares
1.200 Roman Cavalry - 1x Eqvites Romani (polybian)
1.000 Numidian Cavalry - 1x Parasim Numidim (1 chevron)
22 War Elephants - 1x Pilei Ya'ar Libim
1.000 Cretans - 1x Toxotai Kretikoi
1.000 Numidian Infantry - 1x Mitnagsim Numidim (1 chevron)
7.000 Legionaries - 1x Velites, 2x Hastati, 2x Principes, 1x Triarii (polybian) and 1x Pedites Extraordinarii
6.000 Legionaries - 1x Akontistai, 2x Hastati Samnitici, 2x Pezoi Brettioi (1 chevron) and 1x Iphikratous Hoplitai (1 chevron)
Hellenes (left) - Koinon Hellenon
1.000 Pergamese Cavalry (general unit) - 1x Lonchophoroi Hippeis (1 chevron)
1.000 Thessalians - 1x Hippeis Thessalikoi (1 chevron)
6.000 Achean, Aetolian and Pergamese Infantry - 2x Thorakitai Hoplitai (1 chevron), 2x Thureophoroi and 2x Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai
Sounds good. Will come up put up a post in logistics thread tomorrow.
Why did you use Iphikratous Hoplitai? They are in no way similar to trarii. Should they not have at least similar armour?
Picked the only hellenic unit, with an underhand spear, available to SPQR...
In lieu of a Hellenic or Italic unit, couldn't Triarii just be used again? Since Italian peoples would likely be armed similarly.
Use Syracusian hoplites.
Actually no fix lol Italics should be a little lighter...
Aspis weren't that common by then, I'd use the iphi...
Imo chainmail and greaves are far heavier than the equipment they had...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
Give them 2 chevrons then so they are somewhat decent.
Tactically speaking they don't have to be a triarii counterpart, only whatever fighting tradition the people of Megale Hellas would've fielded...
They have pediites extraordinarii which is the Italic Elite.
Right, one for each consul is acceptable as personal guard...
Hey guys, if we want to try to get another MP Historical Battle up and running I've bumped this thread forward in the MP section. We can attempt to get a 4v4 together (unlikely) or we can just play some regular matches and come up with some battle concepts and army comps for later in the year when more players are available, that way we can just get them up and running without any prep work.
What hamachi channel and EDU. Might be on tomorrow.
Same edu as we last used. Try the main channel initially, if you can't get on use the aux network. The id's and passwords are posted by Vega about halfway down the page in the new player questions topic.
What is that even since Vartan stopped paying his bills.
Sticky topic in this subforum has all the network ID numbers and passwords
EB 1 is full.
http://ebportal.tk/ I didn't stop paying my bills. Someone literally bought our domain out (idk who in the world wants EBOnline.tk...really?!). Just a note: 4v4 is actually 8 people: that's unfortunately the limit now for entire Hamachi networks. Please feel free to make temporary ones for this purpose. If you try to use a main/aux network or if I even make another one, people not even participating in the Historical Battle will (un)intentionally take up a slot or two and ruin it for y'all.Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Meh, lets just get Evolve running, the RS2 guys have it working apparently.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=495435
No, they used it before us, then I told Vartan about it, RS2 MP is dead .
Darn you Stormrage!
Lets try doing evolve again.
Evolve never left us. You guys left Evolve. Please return to testing. I've talked to Dreijer and he's only showed me support. Please don't waste this opportunity for a shift in platform. It's what I've been hoping for for the past 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
Sure, I'm all for forgiveness and stuff; I can give Evolve another chance.
I will help to try Evolve too, I'm replying just to let it for others users to contact me.
Also a list with the users to add them in friends would be helpful too.
Me, Vega and Robin just tried Evolve again - Vega and Robin got the same problem that Arjos and I got before, that is, whenever both of them were in the same room they both got partially connected. In the lobby I could see Vega but not Robin, and neither of them could see me. That remained true even when one of them left and the remaining got connected again. When Vega hosted a game I would always get no response. There's not much we can do when it's not working at all. :shrug:
Gotta let Dreijer know. He needs to know where to look to solve the issue. I'm sorry to hear it's still the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
We gotta do another one of these...did we ever get to doing arausio?
I could make a scenario for it if you wish.
We also want to design EBNOM historical battles, if we could get someone to volunteer for that and testing it would be great!
We don't have enough active players atm to make historical battles a reality. It will probably have to wait until May.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Well, it won't for our EBNOM testing...:laugh4:
Ok all hail the temp folder!
Here's Pydna, again sorry for that 180° and fixed the number of Deuteroi, forgot they had more men than the other phalangitai :P
Twas a good battle nontheless. Our team would have benefited from some more patience and testing the phalanx's edges but alas, it was not meant to be.
Arausio should be up next!
Really hope so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
We always had phalangitai so far and while yes they make quite a scene, they are so messy! XD
I want hand to hand, teeth to teeth, melee brawls! :D
Gonna work on some more compos this week ^^
Battle of Agrigentum (261 BC)
Map: EB Kefallinia
Safot Softim biKarthadast (roughly 50.000)
Hannibal Gisco (commander of Agrigentum)
1x Somrei HaMepaqed (general unit)
1x Curepos
1x Iberi Curisi
2x Qala'im Balearim
1x Dorkim Shardanim
3x Gaemile Liguriae
4x Iberi Scutari
2x Dorkim Balearim
Hanno (relief force)
1x Somrei HaMepaqed (general unit)
1x Parasim Libi-Ponnim
1x Pilei Ya'ar Libim
2x Dorkim Leebi-Feenikim Aloophim
4x Dorkim Libi-Ponnim
4x 'Hanatim Libim
2x Iberi Scutari
2x Iberi Caetrati
2x Dorkim Maurim
Allied Hanno (relief force)
1x Gldgmtk (general unit)
2x Parasim Numidim
2x Pilei Ya'ar Libim
2x Qasatim Numidim
2x Mitnagsim Numidim
2x Hoplitai
2x Dorkim Libi-Ponnim
4x 'Hanatim Libim
2x Iberi Caetrati
Senatvs Popvlvsqve Romanvs (roughly 40.000)
Lvcivs Postvmivs Megellvs (right)
1x Eqvites Consvlares (general unit)
1x Camillan Eqvites Romani
2x Camillan Hastati
2x Hastati Samnitici
2x Camillan Principes
2x Pezoi Brettioi
2x Camillan Triarii
1x Pedites Extraordinarii
1x Rorarii
1x Leves
1x Akontistati
4x Battering Rams
Qvintvs Mamilivs Vitvlvs (center)
1x Eqvites Consvlares (general unit)
1x Camillan Eqvites Romani
2x Camillan Hastati
2x Hastati Samnitici
2x Camillan Principes
2x Pezoi Brettioi
2x Camillan Triarii
1x Pedites Extraordinarii
1x Rorarii
1x Leves
1x Akontistati
4x Battering Rams
Socii (left)
1x Eqvites Extraordinarii (general unit)
2x Eqvites Campanici
2x Hastati Samnitici
2x Pezoi Brettioi
2x Iphikratous Hoplitai
2x Aichmetai Leukanoi
2x Samnitici Milites
4x Battering Rams
Yes, it will be a siege battle, the rams are just a stand-in for trenches (which cannot be moved once the pre-battle deployment is done and the battle has started) and the Karthadastim are forced to fight outside the walls (well they can retreat inside, but can't stay there too long and in too big a number), but Hannibal Gisco's garrison starts inside Agrigentum...
As usual, please point out any errors or issues with the compositions :)
a Seige? Really, i think Land Battles would make for a better HB
It's fought outside and there's plenty of space, but the two forces are supposed to be quite separated from each other...
At the same time the garrison shouldn't be easily attacked, so I had to put it inside the town...
Excellent, cant wait. Any particular date your gonna do this or is it just winging it.
No idea: weekend, soon as there are enough people, whenever we'll feel like it :D
With people crying for long deployments, here is a good ol' plain battle :D
Battle of Admagetobriga (61 BC)
Map: EB Thissakata Forest
Sekouanoi (roughly 44.000)
Katamantaledes - Arverni (left)
1x Brihentin (general unit)
1x Brihentin
1x Marxolitho Wolxiskod
2x Leuce Epos
1x Solduros
2x Bataroas
4x Gaeroas (1 chevron)
2x Teceitos
Uesontion - Arverni (center)
1x Arjos (general unit)
2x Neitos
4x Gaelaiche
2x Gaisolitho Aljod
2x Bagaudas
1x Sotaroas
2x Iaosatae
Harjawaldaz - Sweboz (right)
1x Xosenthōzez Xazdādoi (general unit)
1x Dreugulōzez Brunjādoi
2x Xerunoudōzez
4x Dugundiz
2x Sloxonez (1 chevron)
2x Jugundiz (1 chevron)
1x Xosenthōzez Marxoreidondijoi
1x Marxolitho Wolxiskod
3x Reidonez
Aiduoi (roughly 42.000)
Eporedorix (left)
1x Brihentin (general unit)
3x Brihentin
2x Leuce Epos
1x Solduros
2x Bataroas
4x Gaeroas (1 chevron)
2x Bagaudas (1 chevron)
Bibrakta (center)
1x Carnute Cingetos (general unit)
2x Neitos
1x Golberi Curoas
4x Gaelaiche
2x Lugoae (1 chevron)
1x Bagaudas
1x Sotaroas
2x Iaosatae
Uiridomaros (right)
1x Brihentin (general unit, 50 men unit)
3x Leuce Epos
4x Gaelaiche
2x Batacorii (1 chevron)
2x Kluddacorii (1 chevron)
2x Teceitos
Please point out any issues ^^
Edit: and it went fast indeed
Here's an interesting one :)
Battle of Sentinum (295 BC)
Map: EB Lake Vanern
Samnites & Senones (roughly 50.000)
Gellius Egnatius - Epeiros (center)
1x Somatophylakes Strategou
1x Hippeis
2x akontistai
4x Hastati Samnitici
4x Pezoi Brettioi
2x Samnitici Milites
2x Aichmetai Leukanoi
Allied Egnatius - Epeiros (right)
2x Samnitici Milites (general unit)
2x Aichmetai Leukanoi
4x Pezoi Brettioi
4x Hastati Samnitici
2x Akontistai
2x Eqvites Campanici
Senones - Arverni (left)
2x Cidainh (general unit)
3x Leuce Epos
2x Bagaudas
2x Kluddacorii
4x Gaeroas
2x Botroas
2x Iaosatae
Senatvs Popvlvsqve Romanvs (roughly 40.000)
Qvintvs Fabivs Maximvs Rvllianvs (center)
1x Eqvites Consvlares (general unit)
1x camillan Eqvites Romani
2x Leves
2x camillan Hastati
2x Pezoi Brettioi
4x camillan Principes
2x camillan Triarii
1x Pedites Extraordinarii
1x Rorarii
Pvblivs Decivs Mvs (right)
1x Eqvites Consvlares (general unit)
1x camillan Eqvites Romani
2x Leves
2x camillan Hastati
2x Pezoi Brettioi
4x camillan Principes
2x camillan Triarii
1x Pedites Extraordinarii
1x Rorarii
Lvcivs Cornelivs Scipio Barbatvs (left)
1x Eqvites Consvlares (general unit)
1x Eqvites Extraordinarii
2x Eqvites Campanici
2x Akontistai
4x Pezoi Brettioi
3x Iphikratous Hoplitai
Errors, units bashing or other issues, shout them out XD