He is now arrested for pulling a shotgun on his Wife, battery, assault, domestic violence and criminal mischief.
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Apparently he left his wife - this is his new girlfriend.
Well - I suppose once you've killed one innocent person, it just gets easier.
Guilty as Sin.
...And thoe newly hired cops, they just appear out of thin air? They don't come from somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuuvi
....within the limits set by authorities above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuuvi
I think you're vastly underestimating the socializing effects of institutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
You can say the exact same thing about teachers and schools, but lord knows there's little difference between schools and teachers. No matter what the teacher college program actually say they offer, we still come out according to which pedagogical wind is blowing.
There is a huge difference between schools from state to state, and even county to county in this country. Schools are funded at the local levels, this causes all sorts of disparities in the quality and scope. The myriad of threads on schools teaching ID here in the backroom should have clued you in on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Federal law enforcement is different than state police, and state police are different than local police, they focus on different crimes and won't interfere with the locals unless you get publicized institutional shenanigans.
Whether or not they teach ID is a cosmetic difference. Pedagogical differences are what counts, and they're minimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
As for the rest, you're stuck on technicalities which doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm talking about. How it should matter that different agencies focus on different things is quite beyond me when the issue is cultural influence.
But just to get things straight: it is your opinion that there is no influence whatsoever, and that each US police department exists in a vacuum?
And that US institutions popped out like daisies, and have few or no connections to US culture?
Oh man, you're sooooo wrong. The differences are HUGE. Drone mentioned large variations between schools within the same county, and he's absolutely right: it happens across the nation. He knows what he's talking about, while you dismiss him without having a good idea about how American educational system works (or doesn't work depending on school).Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Would you care to give a specific example?Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
Sure, just within my lovely Oakland county Michigan, if you look at the Bloomfield Hills school district or a Birmingham school district, they both have excellent schools with high rating, great funding, competent teachers, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Now if you look at the Pontiac schools or Southfield schools, it's a nightmare. This is all within one county, I'm not even touching the cesspools like Detroit or Flint.
I note that you are incapable of giving an example of pedagogical differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
Good day to you, sir.
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Originally Posted by HoreTore
Crap pedagogue vs Good pedagogue ... There's your pedagogical difference. Not to mention that individual schools customize their programs significantly.
In my county, we have public schools, private schools, magnet schools, Catholic schools, and Montessori schools, in addition to all the home schoolers. The county sets standards for the public schools, and can regulate to some extant the others but they are for the most part free to teach how they like. The quality of the public schools varies greatly, so much that property values of homes are affected by the school district they sit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
I don't think anyone is arguing that there is no influence. But you don't seem to understand how jurisdiction works in this country. Training and requirements for federal officers differ greatly than, say, the Chicago PD.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
This is the problem with your thinking. What is "US culture"?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Its fun watching the Org's two ideological extremes play debate ping pong on two threads simultaneously.
Yes.... And my argument is that they end up teaching mostly in the same way, due to the socializing effects of the educational institutions(who will in turn be affected by the culture in which they operate).Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
I will argue that you will see a larger difference in pedagogical practice between a maths teacher and a language teacher* at the same school, than you will see between two maths teachers at different schools.
*not to mention art teachers, but they don't count since they're aliens.
Are you suggesting that it does not exist? If so, are you talking specifically about the US, or do you deny the existence of any national culture?Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
What would you say regarding the difference between a math teacher and a language teacher at the same school versus the difference between two maths teachers in different countries?Quote:
I will argue that you will see a larger difference in pedagogical practice between a maths teacher and a language teacher* at the same school, than you will see between two maths teachers at different schools.
Depends on the countries, but the difference I experienced teaching in Tanzania was extreme(and not just because of poverty, we visited private schools as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
There's also quite a difference between myself and my british coworkers.
Could you elaborate on the nature of the differences in each case?
As in, how are Tanzanian/British math teachers different from Norwegian math teachers (of course including teachers besides yourself)?
HoreTore, in order to help you understand better I think the differences in police culture between communities in the US can be compared to the differences in corporate culture between companies.
Yes, there is a national corporate culture and American companies as a group will do things differently then say, Japanese companies. American execs most likely recieved their MBAs from American universities and so they have been socialized to do business the American way. But even then, American companies are independent organizations and there are cultural differences between them. They structure themselves differently, take different approaches to marketing, and so forth. Some companies have more productive employees, some are more competitive and some are organized more efficiently than others. Some companies are slave drivers while others treat their employees well. Think Microsoft vs. Apple. Both are American tech companies, yet they are very different.
The same can be said for police departments in the US. As I have said before, they are independent organizations that dictate their own policies and procedures. In one city, you might get tazed just for jay-walking, but another city might have better training for its officers and stricter regulations so this kind of abuse isn't common. The former city maybe takes a "tough on crime" stance, while the latter has a "community policing" approach.
One variable to illustrate, maybe: some police departments encourage citizens to record officers, even going so far as to mount cameras on the officers themselves; many others are extremely hostile to the thought that police activities might be recorded by even the police themselves, and treat recording citizens very roughly indeed.
More importantly, if some cops prefer to taze people while other stick with the trusty batons, could these approaches be the result of pedagogical differences between police departments?
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Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
Well, almost. It would not be the result of, it would simply be.