Oh, really? Lets see, Visor voted for scum Chaotix and for scum Edse without much explanation, you must be right, I will put him in top of the suspect list...:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
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Oh, really? Lets see, Visor voted for scum Chaotix and for scum Edse without much explanation, you must be right, I will put him in top of the suspect list...:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
There is still a serial killer too. Who is to say it isn't him? Also voting for your scum partner isn't exactly uncommon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Hey guys! I'm replacing Makrell. I've read all the write-ups to this point, but haven't read all actual posts by players yet, will try to do that tonight. But I thought I'd share my observations and assumptions about the game set-up while I'm on my lunch break. Apologies if this is all old news by now; just want to throw some ideas out there and maybe open up discussion.
Based on the OP and first write-up, I gathered there was 1 Serial Killer who has regular night kills and 2 "Hunters" (for lack of better term... maybe "assassins" would be more accurate) whose job it is to kill/lynch the SK, whom also have night kills. It also seemed evident that the SK and his two hunters know each others' identities, but are not allowed to reveal to the town.
What I don't understand is this: what is to prevent the SK or his Hunters from killing each other at night right away? The write-ups suggest that they are both capable of it, and indeed two bad guys of some sort have already died at night, but it would seem a pointless set-up if that were the case. I'm guessing the SK can disguise himself each night, effectively redirecting night actions which were meant for him. I'm not sure how the Hunters are (or were) supposed to protect themselves from the SK at night, unless they have some similar ability to avoid/redirect night actions.
Whatever the case, it appears entirely possible that both Hunters are now eliminated, leaving the SK as the only living scum. But if that were true, then it would imply the SK has 2 kills per night, which seems unlikely. So it's very possible there is another scum. That's all I got for now, will get caught up later tonight.
Well, I'm pretty sure that edse was killed by a new killer last night. If you look at the write up it appears that two people killed him together, which has not occurred before. My guess is that there is some sort of town aligned team of 2 that can vig kill together. However, that would leave a kill missing last night, so I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Wing
at count arach, my vote for you is based on the fact that you keep asking others to do analysis and find targets, without really coming up with any on your own. Your defensive vote on me is maybe an exception, but that is only really based on my day 1 voting.
A close reading of the edse kill reveals the following narrative structure:
- Two men are in an apartment.
- Another man enters and kills one (edse).
- The killer leaves and the remaining man pursues him.
This suggests strongly that edse had a partner. My most likely suspect at the moment is Nightbringer.
The fact that edse escaped the lynch yesterday by the skin of his teeth should rule out the Outsider and Visorslash. The lack of action from Riedquat should do the same. I know that it isn't me, and Makrell/B-wing seems unlikely. This leaves CA and Nightbringer.
Since I deem asking the opinion of others a reasonable way of ensuring conversation doesn't stall, I don't see the validity of Nightbringer's argument against CA. Moreover, a suspicious mind, could see your interpretation of the write-up together with your jumping on my suggestion that:
as a deliberate attempt at obfuscation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
So, Vote: Nightbringer
Ah, that makes more sense. I think I was misreading it as the two men being the killers, rather than the target, based on the pair of figures leaving together. However, that leaves two possibilities. Three (or possibly more, i guess) factions, or a 3+ team of mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
The initial write-up features two people in a car together, who seem to be looking for the fox, and also ready to kill townspeople. They make reference to "the others," suggesting that another group is looking for him as well. This suggests either a vigilante or competing mafia group.
Based on death results, I am almost sure this is another mafia group making for a total of three killing factions (plus possible vigs) in the game.
We know chaotix was not the SK.
We know edse had a living partner, therefore not the SK.
So we know we still have the serial killer and Edse's partner on the loose.
Plus, if edse had a partner, then chaotix most likely did too (besides, the initial write-up suggests two groups of at least 2).
This means chaotix' partner is still on the loose.
Therefore, three killing factions still around.
Based on that, I think any attempt to rule people safe based on voting patterns is dangerous. Vislorslash and outsider may be unlikely to be edse's partner, but they could be the SK, and outsider could well be chaotix' partner, so they should not be ruled safe.
Actually, I think that outsider bears some consideration. While saving someone who is new on day 1 is a valid thing to do, chaotix did go out of his way to discourage a vote on outsider. Given his scum status, it is a possibility that this was an attempt to halt the developing majority on his partner. Additionally, outsider contributed to the wagon on mont that saved chaotix.
He was also quite happy to hop onto my attack on CA yesterday, and all of his posts just have an odd feeling about them to me at least. I am going to put a bet on outsider as chaotix' partner.
unvote, vote:outsider
forgot to include this, but I think you are being a little hasty in ruling out b-wing as edse's partner. We have had mafia players WoG before.
Also, riedquat might have simply deemed trying to jump in at that point too much of a giveaway to risk it.
I've come down with tonsilitis and the flu, so I'm feeling pretty terrible. Just voted so that I had a vote in.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
In any case, I'll take a look at what's been posted. I like the outsider as a scum prospect, he is very scummy, but I gave him a pass due to being new and other suspects. Now, it is time to take a look at him once more.
Actually nevermind, I like what Gaius said, and Nightbringer is jumping at everything, so Unvote; Vote: Nightbringer
Tallyyyyyy:
Nightbringer: 3 (CountArach, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Visorslash)
The Outsider: 1 (Nightbringer)
TheLastDays: 1 (El Barto)
Not voting: Riedquat, B-Wing
Thought I voted yesterday...
Vote: TheLastDays
I'll let jokes count from dead people but the living players: Please pick a valid vote :wink:
If that were the case, but he not only voted them, he tied up the vote with Chaotix and put forward the name of edse, together with you and the outsider at the first opportunity, possible for him being a mafia partner but unlikely, and everybody has the same chance to be the skQuote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
:inquisitive: They know each other? Some of them act as sitting ducks while the other kills them of?Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Wing
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
So two kills missing last night then? And what have been doing these vigs the previous nights? If we assume there are 3 teams (sk+chaotix team+edse team) there is no place for vigs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
Apart of the fact that every time B-wing tries these mini wall of texts he looks very suspicious to me, I must agree the possibility exist Makrell's inactivity explain the miss of a kill yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
Get well soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Unvote; vote: Nightbringer for day 1 vote!!
About 4 hours to go:
Nightbringer: 4 (CountArach, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Visorslash, Riedquat)
The Outsider: 1 (Nightbringer)
TheLastDays: 1 (El Barto)
(Still) Not voting: B-Wing, The Outsider (Whom I forgot earlier)
After catching up on the thread, I don't have any strong suspicions, but I do have one thought: going back to Day 2, I know what I likely would have done if I were scum: as soon as it became apparent that Darth Feather was going to be lynched, I would not have wanted to be on that bandwagon. The only living players who did not vote for DF that day are Gaius and Outsider. Of the two, Gaius comes off as slightly less sincere, so even though Nightbringer is probably going down today, I vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio.
Also, don't know if it's relevant, but some observations about the night kills:
Night 1: two people gunned down
Night 2: one person crowbarred to death, one choked lifeless, one shot down
Night 3: one crowbattery, one gunnery
If consistency counts for anything, it looks like the crowbar killer only became active on Night 2. And I think you're right about edse having a living partner. Not sure what that makes Chaotix, considering his character was considered an outsider (no pun intended) to the town.
I have agree with gaius, his theory seems to make sense for the time being so
vote:nightbringer
Ps also my internet connection is terrible right now so if i am not able to vote next day, keep that in mind please.
https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...5wyno1_400.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
Hunt for The Fox
End of Day 4!
Again the day went totally different than the one before. It started with discussions as everyone was trying to figure out exactly how many killers were left in town but they came to a great degree of differing conclusions. Mildly frustrated by this the mayor reminded them that they had a duty to vote and when it came to that the town was much more unified.
The man had it coming, they thought. He had been jupming everyone else's conclusions and some said he had actually tried to sabotage the discussions. Some simply didn't like the way his nose was bent downwards. Whatever the reason, it was pretty clear who had to go and when the sun set over the town everyone was waiting what they would find out watching intently as...
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Final Tally:
Nightbringer: 5 (CountArach, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Visorslash, Riedquat, The Outsider)
The Outsider: 1 (Nightbringer)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (B-Wing)
It is now NIGHT 4!
Orders due tomorrow, Saturday, Midnight CET / 6 P.M. US Eastern.
Alive:
Riedquat
Visorslash
Gaius Scribonius Curio
CountArach
MakrellB-Wing
The Outsider
Lynched:
Montmorency
Darth Feather
rickinator9
Nightbringer
Killed:
El Barto
Chaotix
Ishmael
dcmort93
Jarema
edse
autolycus
Finally.
Ah well. Have at it Fox!
Do a barrel roll.
Use the boost to get through the lynch!
/spam
Sorry guys I'm writing from my phone now. Am on my way home and I hope to have the writeup up in about 30 mins
Hunt for The Fox
Night 4!
A murmur was going through the crowd when they had finally caught a scumbag in one of their attempts at justice. Even the mayor let out a sigh of relief before sending everyone to their homes: "Remember, we don't know for sure that there are no murderers left. Let's be careful and stay alive."
That's exactly what the man had planned, walking home from the center square to his small house, smiling after a good day. He was even whistling a tune when he suddenly noticed a figure walking towards him. The grim face made him nervous but the little alley was narrow and there was no way to evade the man. They both stopped and the guy didn't say a word while he pulled a crowbar out of his mantle. A grin on his face he prepared to strike but then a shot was heard.
Both men stared at each other until our innocent friend felt a sharp pain in his chest. He grabbed the area of his shirt and felt his warm blood on his own fingers. Staring in disbelief he fell to his knees and breathed his last breaths. The crowbar killer looked back for a moment and then quickly took off, straight away from the shooter. In the morning only the shot body was found and it didn't take long for his friends to step forward and identify...
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It is now DAY 5!
Voting closes [s]tomorrow, Sunday, Midnight CET / 6 P.M. US Eastern. Votes after the deadline will not be counted, unless there is a tie. If there's a tie the first vote to break it after the deadline decides.
It's a shortened phase, sorry for the writeup being late. If you feel you need more time let me know and I'll see about extending. Sorry again :bow:
:whip: WOG Warning: - :whip:
If you don't vote during today's phase you are eligible for the WOG/replacement.
Alive:
Riedquat
Visorslash
Gaius Scribonius Curio
CountArach
The Outsider
Lynched:
Montmorency
Darth Feather
rickinator9
Nightbringer
Killed:
El Barto
Chaotix
Ishmael
dcmort93
Jarema
edse
autolycus
MakrellB-Wing
I'm going to post something more substantial soon but to state the obvious - we need to lynch a scum today or we lose. My only advice would be not to lynch Visorslash unless we are absolutely surw. The lack of a crowbar kill on the first night means that someone probably missed a phase and Visorslash was the only one who posted during that night phase. Thus of the two killers still around he is only likely to be the gun killer. He is the statistically least likely to be a killer.
3:1:1 (I think?)
What are the odds. In any case, 2/4 ain't bad odds so I'll take a look at our prospective suspects soon.
This is by no means an exhaustive analysis, but with a 1/3 of the day gone it is worth beginning the discussion proper.
Visorslash has been involved in the lynch of two mafiosi, Nightbringer and edse, and almost tried to lynch Chaotix day one. As CA states is statistically the least likely as he probably cannot be mafia, but could be the SK. Hasn't been especially helpful with his comments, but is not the most suspicious...
CountArach has been under sustained pressure from day 3 onwards, and has not done anything especially wrong imo. Has attempted to engage in reasoned discussion. Again, not at the top of my list.
The Outsider has been lively, and has been content to follow others, though I cannot necessarily fault him for that as a relatively new player.
What concerns me is the ease with which Riedquat has breezed through to this point. His posts have had enough in them to demonstrate involvement in the game, but lack substance. He managed to slip through one day phase without commenting (D3), and followed the rising bandwagon on two others (D2, D4). At no point has he been subjected to any pressure, and as such:
Vote: Riedquat
Okay I've read back through the thread and looked at some posts and my list of suspects is at two: Riedquat and Gaius. I'll go through Gaius first.
I would first like to point out his most recent post where he states the following:
This is a perfectly valid observation and I will get to that below when discussing Riedquat. What concerns me however is exactly how applicable this same argument is to Gaius himself. He has received one vote so far (from B-Wing on day 4) and never was really placed under close scrutiny. That's not a fault of his own, but it does show that he really hasn't been sticking his neck out. In fact if you look back over his posts he really hasn't done a lot to get noticed at all. Here are a couple of examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
In the first one it was clear that someone was going to be bandwagonned and rather than voting for the person coming second (rickinator) to avoid the overwhelming bandwagon he decides to go and vote for someone with no votes on him at all. This isn't useful and it doesn't do much for anyone. He notes his opposition but doesn't do the one thing in his power to stop it. As for the second case it is interesting that he abstained from voting and then, having gone back and re-read the thread (he claims) he votes for Nightbringer, who was already under scrutiny and had a vote for myself - from there it snowballed into the bandwagon that got Nightbringer killed. None of his suggestions in that case were new evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
Okay, so much for Gaius. Now for Reidquat. Looking back over the earlier parts of the game it is remarkable to see how erratic Reidquat was. Here is his first vote for Darth Feather:
So he clearly understands what the argument again Darth Feather was - he broke the tie on Montmorency which saved the guilty Chaotix. Yet the next day:Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
People were voting for the three of us for the exact same reason - we either directly or indirectly contributed to Chaotix living. He also throws out some brief suspicion on Visorslash there without actually exploring it. And then the next day:Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
So here we have a vote for Nightbringer that is a bandwagon and also once again shows that he understands why the voting on the previous day was occurring. Also he then complains about the lack of conversation without actually providing any. This doesn't help the town but it does make him look deceptively like he is helping. And then when B-Wing does actually contribute something we get:Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
So talking is suddenly a bad thing, yet that directly contradicts what he was saying on the previous day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
So with the erratic voting, the feigned ignorance over the reasons for these votes which allow him to hide in bandwagons and finally an inconsistent view on whether conversation is good I will Vote: Riedquat. Note that I also think Gaius needs to address the issues I raised here.
You call for me to address these points, and so I shall. I see three points:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
1) Not sticking my neck out enough.
2) Voting for Riedquat rather than Darth Feather/Rickinator.
3) Voting for Nightbringer after thinking about it rather than immediately.
The most obvious response to all of these points is that this fits my usual profile. I am not usually overly vocal. I will use the evidence available to make my points, but you won’t see huge game-changing posts, incorporating huge sections of analysis. I will make a case, but it won’t necessarily be overwhelming. In fact I am far more likely to speak out on behalf on someone rather than speak out against someone – see here and here – which, in my opinion, is sticking my neck out. So much for point 1.
In the specific case of avoiding the bandwagon, I am on the record as being opposed to them in most instances, particularly early in games, when they are usually ill-directed. In those instances, I won’t just vote for the person in second-place, I will vote for someone that I think is a likely suspect: the intent isn’t to elevate the next random person, the intent is to bring to the attention of the town someone who I find suspicious, or worthy of attention. In other words, I didn’t act as I did to promote another candidate: I acted to draw attention to the fact that it was a bandwagon and that early bandwagons are a bad idea. Again, par for the course for me.
Finally, I abstained initially as I was unsure how the evidence pieced together (and too busy to reread the thread immediately). Then, the phase was extended, allowing me to think some more. When I had had a chance to properly compose my thoughts, I deemed Nightbringer the best candidate. It was hardly a roiling bandwagon which I heartily jumped on. You made a decent case, Nightbringer’s response was problematic. My reasoning, which, as you correctly noted, does not add anything particularly novel, was a direct response to Nightbringer’s obfuscation.
As you accurately note, it is not my fault that no one has pressured me. I don’t have any further evidence to support my defence other than an appeal to my previous record: these points raised by you could be raised against me in any other given game. :bow:
Thanks for addressing those things. Can someone else vouch for Gaius based on his previous games?
Vote: Count Arach it is unlikely that Gaius is mafia. Possible serial killer.
Either one has to die today or else we almost certainly lose. Why do you think I am one or the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Actually, the funny thing is, I'm going to reverse that.
Unvote; Vote: Gaius
Reasoning in a minute.
I think the previous day is a good indicator of who we can expect to be scum.
Count decided to go straight for NB and that means you're likely to be serial killer if you're a killer. With night going straight for you, it exemplifies that.
However, that isn't the only piece of information we have with us. Both players are thinkers. Both players went for the replacement. That to my mind discounts Outsider as SK or mafia then again is the outsider (nb late vote) a gambit or a 'bus? Up to others to decide,
I should throw out some terrible meta and suggest that Gaius thanked pizza's delayed update post in the rumble and he did so here, so he's scum. :laugh4:
In any case, I dislike Gaius's cautiousness and I think at this stage you need a vote on the field and cautiousness is tool of scum when it comes to first votes on final days.
Gaius isn't mafia. But he may be the SK. I don't think the outsider is scum.
This leaves to me, three choices. Gaius, scumquat, Count. All three good choices and good reasons for all of them in my opinion. If I get this wrong then so be it, but scumquat and gaius are likely candidates to me.
@TheLastDays
Can we have an extension please.
EDIT: oh bloody hell. Completely missed that gaius voted. In that case, I'm happy with a scumquat lynch.
So in summary:
CA: could be SK
Outsider: probably isn't SK or Mafia, but could be
...
Curio is guilty?
:dizzy2:
Edit: I see now...
OK - a response: I may be 'cautious' but I did take it upon myself to start the discussion today with a reasoned vote.
Why do you need an extension?
Unvote; Vote: Ried 'Scum' quat
Guys, let me know via PM if you think an extension is necessary. I'm sorry that my last writeup was late and it should be possible for everyone to weigh in on any given day phase so I'm thinking about pushing the deadlline for 24 hours
Tally:
Riedquat: 3 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, CountArach, Visorslash)
Not voting: Riedquat, The Outsider
Actually nevermind to PM me, since two players have not been able to respond at all yet and the day phase would be halfway over and The Ousider mentioned internet problemsI hereby extend the phase by 24 hours:scratch that
Personally I think it is fine as is. The problem is that there are only 5 people alive and because there is a dead-only QT any dead people aren't really allowed to take part any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Me wondering what nerve touched B-wing for both killers going after him... just to discover now both killers voting for same person... poor townquat, I think everybody here can rule out The Outsider as scum right?
I was going to make a multi quoting post answering some concerns, but I'm really pissed off with the forum bringing quotes from nowhere... I better desist! I'm angered!! And sadly here we have an Election's day so I will be busy, not having a clue who of you are the two remaining scum don't help me, so... Vote: CountArach
:bow:
Ok, sorry for the jumping around but the general consensus (both in thred and via PM) seems to be that no extension is needed, so the round will end today at Midnight CEST / 6 P.M. US Eastern!
Hunt for The Fox
End of Day 5!
The day began with more accusations because obviously this nightmare wasn't over yet. At least one of those killers was still around and everyone was bent on finding him. A major suspect was soon found and most of the voters united against him, pressuring him more and more as the day continued. He remained quiet though, not saying much at all as if he knew that nothing could ever happen to him.
Smiling he already awaited them at the end of the day when they approached him to present their final verdict: "You are guilty and you will have to die."
"Oh, really?", he almost seemed amused as he looked from face to face, "Try, if you must". With that he pulled a gun out of his jacket and a fierce expression filled his eyes as he pointed it at the man closest to him. "You stay back and leave me alone. I will not die, not here, not by the hands of filth like yourselves."
A man shook his head: "We are too many, just accept it." BANG! The guy gave a warning shot into the air but the townspeople kept advancing. BANG! Another shot, this time into the ground, not far from the feet of one man who approached with a baseball bat. It stopped them for a moment as the killer was backed into a wall, looking like a caged, injured animal ready to strike. A few moments later one of the volunteer executioners stepped forward.
BOOM! Another shot, but this one was much louder and everyone looked around confused as the killer slumped back against a wall. The mayor stepped forward, a shotgun in his hand, looking down at the body that slowly slid down to the ground he kicked the other's gun away with his foot and watched with satisfaction as the life left the body in front of him. He turned around: "Alright, let's hope that this was it. It feels good to finally know for sure that we were right about..."
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Final Tally:
Riedquat: 3 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, CountArach, Visorslash)
CountArach: 1 (Riedquat)
Not voting: The Outsider
It is now NIGHT 5!
Orders due tomorrow, Monday, Midnight CET / 6 P.M. US Eastern.
Alive:
Visorslash
Gaius Scribonius Curio
CountArach
The Outsider
Lynched:
Montmorency
Darth Feather
rickinator9
Nightbringer
Riedquat
Killed:
El Barto
Chaotix
Ishmael
dcmort93
Jarema
edse
autolycus
MakrellB-Wing
Huzzah now to kill the crowbar one.
How would you do that? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Hey guys, I am back for the time being but not quite sure how long the internet will survive. I am glad to see that you have managed to take down another scum. Do you guys have any idea about who might be guilty? I would like to vote before loosing my connection again.
fos: the OutsiderQuickly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Good luck trying! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
is that supposed to hint something that we domt know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Now that i think about it, in the beginning, lastdays mentioned that the game will be experimental... There were more scum than it was mentioned in the story line so i believe that was experimental. But since this is my first game i cant be sure. I wonder if there is something elsethat is experimental as well...
No! It is supposed to hint to something we don't know! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
Oh! Yes yes! TLD also experimented writing the write-ups with his little fingers!! There are so many things you don't know yet...but soon! And some sooner than others! :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
Hmmm.. The troll is strong in this one ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Well, I am not sure if I can find anyone as scummy right now and I might loose connection again so in order to avoid wog:
vote:abstain
Unless someone can convince me otherwise.
It's night :yes:
Ahaa! I knew that something was fishy :-) :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
:quiet:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
We do know that there is a glass of Malbec in front of Riedquat.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
Hunt for The Fox
Night 5!
The town was silent at night, nobody heard a thing and in the morning three men gathered in the central square. They were waiting for others to come and for the mayor to show up to open the day's voting session but nothing happened. Someone then knocked on the door to the mining administration and noticed it was open. Carefully they ventured inside, quickly discovering two dead bodies - the mayor's bodyguards. They found their leader back in the office, slumped over his desk - dead, brutally beaten.
They all left the building quickly and noticed again how silent the town was - dead silent. They went to look in another building and found everyone dead, beaten up like the mayor. With a growing sense of dread they searched the whole town, together because none wanted to let the other two out of sight. What they found was devastating. No one was left, only the three of them. They found the last body while returning to the central square. He must have been killed just before morning, the crowbar had been rammed through his chest and was still there. They swallowed hard, before taking a closer look. The body belonged to...
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It is now DAY 6!
Voting closes [s]tomorrow, Tuesday, Midnight CET / 6 P.M. US Eastern. Votes after the deadline will not be counted, unless there is a tie. If there's a tie the first vote to break it after the deadline decides.
Alive:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
CountArach
The Outsider
Lynched:
Montmorency
Darth Feather
rickinator9
Nightbringer
Riedquat
Killed:
El Barto
Chaotix
Ishmael
dcmort93
Jarema
edse
autolycus
MakrellB-Wing
Visorslash
To summarise: two town, one killer. A 50/50 proposition of hitting the killer. The wages of failure are death and defeat.
I'm not sure exactly where to go from here. A quick review of the kill write-ups reveals that we have, over the course of the five nights we have: a gun-killer active every night except the last, who must be identified with Riedquat; a crowbar killer active every night except the first, who is our target; a woman with a gun who was active the first night, then not again, I would suggest that this represents Chaotix; a strangler, active on night 2, who could be Nightbringer or edse.
In other words, the surviving mafioso could be aligned with either Chaotix or Nightbringer based on kill patterns. Since all three of us voted for Nightbringer, a link with Chaotix is more likely, but not certain.
Taking each possibility: a link between either myself or CA with Nightbringer is all but impossible given that we began gunning for his lynch comparatively early. As Visorslash stated yesterday, however, Nightbringer's vote switch to The Outsider, and the Outsider's corresponding vote, could conceivably be a bus.
In terms of possible links to Chaotix: I was uninvolved in the wrangling surrounding his possible lynching - make of that what you will; CA changed his initial vote from Nightbringer to Monty when he and Chaotix had become the clear frontrunners, but then almost immediately changed it to The Outsider, who had, in the meantime voted for Monty also. In the end, The Outsider's vote was instrumental in saving Chaotix, but I would not put such an audacious switch of support past CA.
Moreover, what Riedquat says regarding new players, confirmed mafioso though he is, remains valid, particularly if talked through the game by someone of Chaotix' calibre...
In short, from the above, I would lean towards The Outsider as our final mafioso, but I will reserve judgement until I have heard from others.
I imagine that in fact we are just down to a SK in which case looking at previous connections is pointless.
I'm very much tempted to think that you are the SK, Gaius, given that we know the SK is being quite clever with their kills. For example it had been flagged that Visorslash could not be the SK earlier and now he dies at the final point when we know that we are down to the SK only. That strikes me as a move that an experienced player would make.
So Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio though if a strong enough case can be made I'm open to voting for The Outsider.
I'll try and point this out more clearly. Here is a graph of all the killers written up, starting at night 1 and proceeding to night 5:
Chaotix: Y - - - -
Riedquat: Y Y Y Y -
Strangler: - Y - - -
Crowbar: - Y Y Y Y
We know of five killers: likely divided between two 'mafia' and one SK, given that we know of one group of two being surprised by another killer. This makes more sense than having one group of two and three singles.
Given the lack of kills, and the write-up of edse's murder, we know that some mafiosi have not been killing. But the SK is constrained into having to kill - every time he chooses not to, the possibility of him being caught increases. The final killer did not kill night 1, when Chaotix did, whereas Riedquat did kill every night that he was alive. This indicates to me that the final killer is likely a mafia partner of Chaotix. Do you have an agenda pushing the SK line I wonder?
You say that the killing of Visorslash is an 'experienced' move: as you well know, I am not an experienced mafioso. Furthermore, it doesn't take experience to realise, as a mafioso, that bringing someone who is deemed an 'unlikely killer' into the final round is dangerous. More to the point, if this person were an ally of Chaotix, why could he not continue to advise. There is no constraint that forces one to not contribute further, after death.
I am still not certain, given your pushing of the SK line, but Vote: The Outsider, pending what he has to say...
Well, there is no way of being sure but I am almost convinced that CA is innocent. Gaius you have been making long and seemingly convincing but superficial analysis since the begining. I do remember reading in the faq and in the old games that a simple townie does not usually go that much in to detail. It seems that you have been very carefull to hide your tracks and to divert attention at others. I am sorry but you shall not have the pleasure of killing all the reamaining townies. So
vote:gaius scribonius curio
@ The Outsider: you must be misinformed. A good townie will always attempt to lay out as much information as possible. This is not, usually, very much, but the game is about the informed (mafia) attempting to defeat the misinformed (town). The more information the town has, the better its chances of finding the mafia. If, as in a game such as this, where there is a wealth of information available, the town does not try to take advantage of it, it deserves to lose.
I can assure you, were I mafia I would not be going to such lengths to lay out so much information for the two of you (in what way is it superficial?), I would be trying to desperately to avoid saying anything incriminating and hoping that noone remembered that I was there. Or, alternatively, misinforming you...
So why are you not mafia?
Of course, and the rest of us are a bunch of dumb people... no? Thanks?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Sorry but, why the Y's I kill with K's of Kilo... it adds weight to my choices...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
Why exactly? I'm dead suspicious of him...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
No and really no. In the beginning he did a couple of meaningless posts or at least with no much substance, but there wasn't any info to talk about, but later he became himself and started doing these good and nice analysis as he always does when town.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
It depends on the player mostly but I agree Gaius analysis are very detailed... perhaps to much?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Outsider
I can assure you I'm not mafia!! pff... If you are mafia you should do exactly the same you do as townie... it is the perfect cover ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
Now... back to the popcorn!
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I have not read the dead QT, and I think GSC is clean. Please reconsider, whichever of the other two is town.
Yea just wanted to make clear that this is allowed. Dead who have not visited the dead qt can still post here.Quote:
Originally Posted by autolycus
Unvote: The Outsider
I don't know what to think any more. I am disappointed at the total lack of engagement with my reasoned responses to both CountArach and The Outsider's concerns. The other, remaining, townie has just over an hour to make the right decision, yet neither other participant has made more the most cursory attempt to involve themself in a discussion/presentation of information aimed at finding the killer.
I despair for the town now...
I feel your sorrow, I was expecting a most entertaining last day too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ok so i would like to let you guys know that i have sent a massage to gaius and it is as follows:
"Hi mate, I think that the PMs are forbidden so by all means lets keep this confidential. I might regret this later but im starting to beleıve that you are actually innocent. if thats the case i am going to ask you to vote CA and i will support you. meanwhile i neither have the means nor the time to prove you that im innocent you will have to beleive me just because im giving you this chance. if ı was scum, i would let you get lynched and take care of CA afterwards there would not have been anypoint of risking things. so go ahead and make your mind but please be quick about it. And i really, really hope that you are not scum..."
So if this is going to result in me being wogged or not included in the future games thats fine with me but if not than you guys should know that im torn between the right choice and something tells me to do this:
unvote,vote:countarach
Thanks for the open honesty. That is truly admirable. :bow:
I will also reveal that I immediately informed TheLastDays, who was going to address this after the game.
Vote: CountArach, since I always intended to, and was hoping the The Outsider would realise my innocence.
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You know what to hell with it. I have already told you that i couldnt decide so gaius might be just trying to convince me other wise and i must say that montmorency's song fuelled this. If i am wrong the town is doomed anyway sooQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
unvote:vote:Gaius Scribonius Curio
VOTING CLOSED!:end:
Hunt for The Fox
End of Day 6!
With the mayor dead and just three men left there was no real voting this day. Mostly the three men stared at each other, trying to bury into each other's minds, deciphering their thoughts. What could be going on in the mind of a killer? Who was it? A few ideas were discussed and neither of the three seemed to be able to make up their minds.
The day's end drew closer and suddenly The Outsider seemed to have a change of mind. He was one of the younglings in the town. He had never experienced these 'games' before and he had been doubting his reasonings the whole time but now he was about to take action. He turned towards CountArach, one of the older men who had lived here almost all their lives. "It's you, I don't know how and why and I don't care. You and your... your friends... you killed ALL THESE PEOPLE!" Gaius Scribonius Curio just nodded his approval and made it clear that he was ready to help The Outsider in whatever he was about to do. CountArach just stared at both of them, his eyes wide open. "How...?"
He didn't get to finish his question as The Outsider had another change of heart. He doubted again: "Wait... what if Gaius Scribonius Curio is just trying to convince me?", he turned towards the man behind him, who replied: "What? Hey, man, you started about Arach! I didn't..."
"Also... I hear music... the music... it's telling me to turn on you!", now both the others were just staring at The Outsider and Gaius pleaded with CountArach: "Come on, this guy's crazy..." He didn't get any further as an enraged Outsider jumped on him, tackling him to the ground and at this point CountArach basically had no choice but to join in the attack against the man he had been proclaiming as guilty the whole day. The two were beating up on Gaius Scribonius Curio relentlessly and they didn't stop until the body beneath them stopped twitching and lay lifeless in the mud.
Breathing heavily they now stared at each other, as The Outsider started to smile. He didn't quite know what he was smiling about though and his smile froze immediately as he saw what exactly CountArach had used in his attack: A bloody, black crowbar...
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CountArach noticed the other's staring and dropped the crowbar, smiling and extending his hand: "Hey I brought it from the body we found. Just thought it'd come in handy... You... are not crazy, right?" Now The Outsider smiled again, pulling a passport from the dead body's jacket. "Do I look like a crazy man? I know exactly what I'm doing." With that he showed the passport to CountArach. It belonged to one Sergej Kolcin. Both nodded and The Outsider shook the other's hand. "Well done, hm?"
"Aye, well done."
Final Tally:
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 2 (CountArach, The Outsider)
CountArach: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
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Alive:
CountArach
The Outsider
Lynched:
Montmorency
Darth Feather
rickinator9
Nightbringer
Riedquat
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Killed:
El Barto
Chaotix
Ishmael
dcmort93
Jarema
edse
autolycus
MakrellB-Wing
Visorslash
Let me talk about the PM issue quickly:
The Outsider, don't be too harsh on yourself. After all this was your first game and it was a tough choice. You should learn from it that going against the rules is frowned upon among most Mafia players so if you just refrain from that in the future everything should be fine - In the end I decided not to let the PM have a real effect on the game. I made the rule about private communication so there would be no reveals and such in private. In The Outsider's PM no new information was presented to Gaius so I decided not to punish it in a gameplay sense.
Last-minute saves are always glorious.
And this was a tight game, too. Well done.
By the way, TLD, are the player-lists carrying a couple of typos or have we all been tricked?
The Setup
Our Scums
Riedquat:
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Chaotix:
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Gaius Scribonius Curio:
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Nightbringer:
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edse:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The rest of you were all Vanilla Townies and you've all seen the PM.
So, the Setup included a serial killer who basically just had to kill everyone. Simple, right?
There were also 2 Mafia factions with 2 members each. So, five scums in a small game. Too much? Nope, apparently not.
They were opposed to each other. They knew who the Serial Killer was but not who the other Mafia team was. They were not allowed to kill the whole town or lynch the serial killer (whom they couldn't nightkill anyway) before the other Mafia team was killed. So they had to balance weakening the town and giving the SK more chance at winning. They also had to do some scumhunting themselves.
The same goes for the SK, he had to find the scums and take care of them at almost the same time because once only one team was left, they knew who he was and could try to get him lynches. In this case Gaius succeeded at that and the Mafia and the Town fought until the last round soooo...
All in all I am pretty satisfied with how this turned out. The SK survived until the penultimate day phase, the Mafia and Town duked it out in the very last phase possible so everyone had a good chance of winning, even though Gaius' and Chaotix' team took a pretty bad hit during the first night, where BOTH Riedquat and the CIA targetted Chaotix (by accident I suppose, at least the CIA confirmed that).
So, everyone, thanks for playing, well done, congrats to all the scums who made this a good and close game and big congrats to the town who pulled through in the end! :bow:
If you have any more questions, comments, feedback, etc. go right ahead :yes:
EDIT: Quicktopic Links: Dead CIA KGB
Thanks. Fixed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency