Gunsmith Mafia (Monty Mafia #1)

My kill was Random? That explains it! There was no way I was first priority death with my showing day 1.

Great job Kage and Chox: you weren't on my radar. I was convinced it was Sooh most of the game.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Well, that one was one of my least satisfying victories ever. I was barely even doing anything and that was still more than my inactive teammate and half the town.

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I didn't have it in me to try and nag everyone into doing something. I tried, at least, but I'm not the best at it.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

On my vote for Kagemusha yesterday- I voted him at first because it seemed like everyone else was going to and I figured I might as well get on the train and bus him. Then Fenn and Barto started going after Sooh as well, and my original plan was to last-minute switch, lynch Sooh, and end the game then and there, but I was busy around the deadline and forgot to come online. Not like it mattered- I got totally unintentional bussing cred from that, all that really happened was that the game pointlessly continued another day.

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It was a comedy of blunders: I intended to switch back to Kagemusha in the last five minutes before EOD (and hopefully fish out who really was Kage's partner) but things happen and I came back to see that Monty had already ended the phase. Fenn had changed his vote and you never got the time to backstab us so we lucked out.

And Kagemusha should upvote this post.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

Sorry for not joining this one, just had too much academic stress beforehand and during for me to consider it.

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Same.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I think the timing of the game was bad, in combination with the setup (mini vanilla). It took a long time to get running because of GH's hiatus and general board inactivity, and by the time it did I suppose some of the potentially most active players (Kage and Sooh) pretty much dropped out.

Because of the inactivity I couldn't enforce rules well. Non-voting and Barto's instance of night-talk incurred no penalty, and Kage and Choxorn were scum, so.... In fact, the N1 Logic kill was randomized because I never received orders; terrible situation even if you have replacements in the wing, which I did not.

I believed, since the Org revival began attracting high-posters, that a core of 'super-poster' players could by the centrifugal force of their activity bring up the average post count in general, and induce participation. I figured that this was how games sustained explosions of activity in the first half. Seeing Visor attempt to jump in swinging fizzle out on D1, I'm not so sure anymore.

Still confirmed that writeups are not my strong suit. Some of them were overly mean to the players or on-the-nose; I apologize. Frequent typos, formatting and other sloppiness as well. I should have just used BB centering, rather than indents that look horrible on mobile. Etc.


I would like to discuss the rules, namely:

1. Sudden death. Worked terribly for this game's size and activity.
2. No night-talk and 12 hour dead-talk. In this game these settings were irrelevant, but the idea going in was to emphasize the roles of the newly-dead in the thread. Clearly time-locking means nothing if the player is not active or has nothing to say, but I wonder if it's a worthless concept in itself.
3. Player PMs, for a little fun on the side. Unless I'm wrong and someone had communications, it seems like the PM system remains something no one feels the need to use; probably superfluous for very small games anyway.

Here's the QT. There's no activity of note.

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Sudden Death is always sort of weird. You have to have some way to break ties.

The 12 hour dead thing is interesting, but unless the dead have useful information it's just going to be random townie opinion, etc. If they had a role and could talk about that then that would be useful to the town, but then that sort of screws with mafia.

PMs are entirely based on the game, Capo/Pirate Ship where communication privately is key to doing something, otherwise there's no point to PM instead of posting in thread imo. There has to be incentive/reason to use the PM system, which I don't think this game had anything like that, but I could be mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Dead Players: 9

D1 - Double A
N1 - Logic
D2 - Champ
N2 - nl. (Visor)
D3 - Kagemusha
N3 - Fenn
D4 - Sooh
D4 - El Barto
D3 - Choxorn

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Hey, if Choxorn died D3 then we actually won. Go town!

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Hey, if Choxorn died D3 then we actually won. Go town!

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No, all the good guys died, then the bad guys died too because.

Here's the Role PM:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

You are French (Choxorn) and Spanish (Kage) spies, respectively, sent to London to kill English apprentices toward long-term industrial sabotage.

You are not technically working together, but as allies of convenience for this mission you are effectively a team.

Use this Quicktopic to communicate.

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

The 12 hour dead thing is interesting, but unless the dead have useful information it's just going to be random townie opinion, etc. If they had a role and could talk about that then that would be useful to the town, but then that sort of screws with mafia.

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See the various discussions here, but my thought was to balance any potential desire by dead townies to make an impact with the momentum of the Mafia through its kill/lynch scheme.

But this can only have meaning if dead players (to say nothing of the rest of the game) are active.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I think the timing of the game was bad, in combination with the setup (mini vanilla). It took a long time to get running because of GH's hiatus and general board inactivity, and by the time it did I suppose some of the potentially most active players (Kage and Sooh) pretty much dropped out.

Think the setup is fine, just really dependent on the players who sign up. Timing might've been bad though, yeah, people seemed to want a bit of a break.

Because of the inactivity I couldn't enforce rules well. Non-voting and Barto's instance of night-talk incurred no penalty, and Kage and Choxorn were scum, so.... In fact, the N1 Logic kill was randomized because I never received orders; terrible situation even if you have replacements in the wing, which I did not.

Ouch. Did you consider making it a no kill because no submission?

I believed, since the Org revival began attracting high-posters, that a core of 'super-poster' players could by the centrifugal force of their activity bring up the average post count in general, and induce participation. I figured that this was how games sustained explosions of activity in the first half. Seeing Visor attempt to jump in swinging fizzle out on D1, I'm not so sure anymore.

I think Barto and Fenn and so on could be a part of that, its just when so much of the thread otherwise is so inactive there isn't much to do. You really can't do much with half of the game missing.

Still confirmed that writeups are not my strong suit. Some of them were overly mean to the players or on-the-nose; I apologize. Frequent typos, formatting and other sloppiness as well. I should have just used BB centering, rather than indents that look horrible on mobile. Etc.

Writeups seemed fine to me.

I would like to discuss the rules, namely:

1. Sudden death. Worked terribly for this game's size and activity.

Moreso the activity I think.

2. No night-talk and 12 hour dead-talk. In this game these settings were irrelevant, but the idea going in was to emphasize the roles of the newly-dead in the thread. Clearly time-locking means nothing if the player is not active or has nothing to say, but I wonder if it's a worthless concept in itself.

Maybe allow them to talk for the whole next day phase?

3. Player PMs, for a little fun on the side. Unless I'm wrong and someone had communications, it seems like the PM system remains something no one feels the need to use; probably superfluous for very small games anyway.



Here's the QT. There's no activity of note.

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Some thoughts in here.

Really I think this game was just a victim of (as you say) bad timing and then a playerlist of inactivity. You replace kage with zack, double a with gh, etc and suddenly you get a much more active game.

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Originally Posted by The artist formerly known as Visorslash

I think Barto and Fenn and so on could be a part of that, its just when so much of the thread otherwise is so inactive there isn't much to do. You really can't do much with half of the game missing.

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What is thy bidding, my master?

Sorry for dropping the ball on this. The game was so inactive it was demotivating to me, and then I was all of a sudden in a mash, so I forgot this game existed and contributed a lot to the inactivity myself.