RTW Bugs

A suggestion: Qualifying the "Bug" list into three catergories:

#1: Technical bugs. I am talking about mem leaks, crashes to desktop, lock ups, can't load, etc. For these you are going to have to describe everything that you were doing as well as provide the dxdiag file in order to truly analyze.

#2. Game mechanics do not work correctly. Such as the unit grouping bug (which I have run into), dissappearing units, senate not rewarding you, etc.

#3. Annoying features. Squalor is NOT a bug. Your units sallying forth through your gate is NOT a bug. These might need to be tweaked but lets get CA going on the more important things first and let the Mod community take care of those.

Maybe a suggested format and a long thread we can point to CA with suggestions, bugs, technical things would be useful. Otherwise how useful is this long thread to a developer?

Suggested format:
Bug Description: Unit grouping bug
Catergory: #2
Details: Units when grouped seem to follow the orders of one individual unit, even though you specifically choose one unit out of the group. This has also been seen in armies as well.


Should I start this in another thread, or shall we just continue to pile on?

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Playing on a LAN with another guy, it was a close battle and eventually the soldiers got to the point were they weren't killing each other (it was mostly my Seleucid phalanx vs. Julii cohorts I think). At first I thought that they were just so exhausted that they could barely move or attack, but then my friend comes over asking how my entire army had collapsed so quickly!

It turns out that on his pc the game had already ended in a clear victory for him, while on mine the battle continued as a complete stalemate with almost nothing happening at all. I quit and it said that the battle was inconclusive. We tried it again with different factions and map and everything worked fine though.

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The MP patch didn't fix this btw. I mention it only because I've heard this described as a synch error, and I know that the patch was intended to fix "some synch issues."

I guess we're going to continue piling it on. Although I'd like to see someone take the time to consolidate all of these bugs into a single list. Also, just a tip from a software developer, when describing a bug try to be as clear and thorough as possible. Statements like 'It crashed to desktop' tell the developers nothing. Probably the best we can do is try to describe what we were doing when it crashed. With enough data we might be able to see a trend.

I have another incredibly annoying bug of my own concerning battlefield AI. During some large town sieges I was rushing the center square and trying to cover some of the roads down which the enemy were marching to counter-attack.

In addition to groups ignoring my commands to run (unless I double clicked where they should go). Selected units would ignore my commands to cease fire at will. I would select the archers group hit 'A' to stop them and them turn my attention to another area of the battle . Soon I would hear the screams of dying men and discover they're all still firing into my massed infantry trying to hit that errant enemy unit. Much screaming and cussing ensued at the retarded interface before I realized the 'fire at will' indicator for a group of archers means nothing. You have to select each unit and turn it off in turn.

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Click too

As you can see the selected units are trying ot be "drag clicked" inside a city street (an alrelady labourious task) and it seems another few units feel like joining in without consent. This is true for both pictures - one where the Hoplites try to come along with the Archers and one the other way around. They were never in the same group. This occurs at least once every 3 or 4 battles in different ways - the only way to get around it is to move them individually. ~:confused:

I saw a strange bug last night.

I was assaulting a macedon city, and the macedons were reinforced by 3 small armies around the city.

As I was doing the staging for the final assault on the city square I saw the red battle-icon light up for my skirmishers (whom I had left outside the city). I was afraid they were being slaughtered by some of the reinforcements, but luckily I was wrong...

When I looked 2 units of macedon light lancers were walking slowly around the wall through my guys. Only - They were not in the battle! I couldn't attack them (got the "not on the battlefield"-message and a cross pointer. Still my skirmishers were attacking and killing them. I ran my other skirmisher unit into their path and they started killing them too when they passed! I don't know where they were going and I lost track of them as I was trying to win the battle :embarassed:

Edit: My skirmishers were off "skirmish"-mode, dunno if they would have tried to run away otherwise??

i had 6 units of principes storm the walls of a greek city. they took the walls and then lost the battle to city pathing stupidity... the units would climb off the walls, and fight off the defenders all fine.

the problem started when i ordered the principes to the town square... either they would not listen at all (they would just stand, the unit icon displaying "idle") or would walk forward a few yards along my waypoints towards the squre and then turn around and march back to the wall...

in the end, i managed to get the grand total of ONE principe unit to the square where they seemed to be successful in gaining an edge over the lone hoplite unit there. nonetheless, not in time before the battle timer ran out...

i replayed the battle (don't tell anyone!) and the pathing was fine... seems, this problem is unpredictable...

p.s. i was playing on large unit size.

Meretix over at twc posted an odd quirk with centurions. He noticed that centurions drop their gladius upon making contact with the enemy and proceed to fight with their fists. Extremely macho but quite silly... ~;)

Either something really insignificant is amiss in the hard coded weapon data for centurions or the engine does not know to keep the primary weapon visually 'enabled' (and perhaps statistically as well?) as it does with other single weapon only units.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index...howtopic=12073

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Originally Posted by Spino

Meretix over at twc posted an odd quirk with centurions. He noticed that centurions drop their gladius upon making contact with the enemy and proceed to fight with their fists. Extremely macho but quite silly... ~;)

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All unit commanders and generals are succeptable to this, from what i've seen. It happens alot.

Very minor bug:

Playing last night I built ladders for the first alone with some siege towers. I did not like the initial deployment of troops (my archers pushing a siege tower!??!) to altered thing including removing a unit of peasants from the siege tower and assigning them to ladders..

When I started the game, evry time I selected the peasant unit they still reponded by shouting out "Tower"...

Not to bright those peasants I guess... ~D

Just CTDed after having a - possibly too small - unit of archers try to pick up my siege ladders when the enemy's sally backfired.

I was at war with the Pontus, who were allied with the Seleucid. I defeated the Pontus (destroyed their faction). Later, I made an alliance with the Seleucid, at which point I got a message telling me that I had a ceasefire with the Pontus.

You probably don't need to get ceasefires with factions you've eliminated. ;)

Bh

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Originally Posted by Celtibero Mordred

I don't know if this has been reported yet, I think it's important:

It's about AI behavior during sieges. Imagine you are being sieged by an army controlled by the AI. Imagine your city has stone walls. Well, you can try to break the siege sending your garrison against the enemy...and this is what it happens:

The entire enemy army runs close to your city walls and stay there: they are completely slaughtered by the arrows thrown by the defending towers. When most of the army has been killed (20-30 foes left), they withdraw and leave the siege.

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I also see this with AI controlled allies during sieges. Allied units under AI control will move within range of arrow towers and then just stand there waiting for a breach to be made in the wall by some siege weapon. This was especially bad in a battle I had where the AI sallied from a city, and I had a second army close by which came in under AI control on the opposite side of the city. That AI army just stood around near the walls and got wiped out. Two units did survive because they were right up against the wall and couldn't be shot. The AI doesn't know enough to stay out of range or towers until after a breach is made, and to move around the outside of cities beyond tower range until opposite the breach. The archers in the towers also seem to fire very fast. What happened to 6 seconds between shots for an archer firing through a single slit?

cant install the patch. when i double click on the .exe file from totalwar.com, i get the install wizard starting up. it asks when language and i pick english. it then comes up on a new screen with an error message popup saying 'Setup could not not locate an existing installation of Rome - Total War (TM). Please reinstall the game and try again.' i click ok, and the install setup quits.

i do not have any no cd cracks. i've tried putting the .exe in various folders, the rtw root, activision root, c: drive root and all to no avail. it always comes up with the same message. i've downloaded a 2nd copy just to make sure the first wasnt a corrupted file. same thing. i got the 2nd copy from totalwar.com. the first i think i got from ign.com. i even tried to go to fileplanet and use their download and auto-install routines, but i'm having trouble logging into fileplanet with my existing accounts. and this may be due to having recently installed gamespy 2.0. it may also be why i'm having trouble with installing the patch manually if the patch is looking for a particular version of gamespy, for some reason. i mean, this patch was mostly for multiplayer, and gamespy is where the game is played multi mostly. but i dont know this for sure. might just be some oddball setting on my machine, or maybe the patch is hardwired for a particular drive. my game installation is on the I: drive, not c:. it's the full game, bought and paid for retail.

i also checked activisions tech support pages, but they had no info on this bug. i also checked the tech support forum on the totalwar.com site. others had this same bug reported but no consistent solution. vanya recently reported this same bug with his patch in the apothecary, but we've got no solution for him. i have not yet tried to 'reinstall the game' as that just seems a bit weird. i have altered a few .txt files, but nothing major like the main game file or anything. i even put the original .txt files back in place and tried the patch again with the same results.

i also thought maybe the patch wanted a cd key in place and i hadnt tried multiplayer yet, so hadnt entered the cd key yet. so, i tried entering the cd key and login name to play multi. the cd key was accepted but when i get to the point of actually logging into the gamespy, rome server, it tells me i need the patch. well, that at least verifies that my cd key is ok and my login is ok. i just need the patched version now and cant patch.

my rtw game works fine. i can play the campaigns. i can play custom and quick battles and i've not modified the desktop shortcut or any other critical game file. i've not modified the registry either. so, i'm at a loss here.

i do have one other bug that might be related and might be preventing me from patching. when i first installed the game, everything went ok. all 3 cd's seemed to copy just fine, but at the end of the installation when the menu asks if you want to play now, i hit that and all that happened was that the menu disappeared, the little 'Wise' installer banner showed for a couple of seconds and then nothing. no disk activitiy, nothing. this happens every time i insert disk one to play. i get around this by simply using the desktop icon for rtw and that works fine. but, if this bug is somehow telling the patch that i've got no copy installed, i dont know. quite odd.

if anyone knows or finds a fix for this, please post it in the apothecary thread that vanya started about not being able to install the patch, or send me a private message.

thanks,

K.

Not sure if this has been mentioned b4, my apologies if it has, but i was playing a short campaign last night as the Julii with the task of destroying or outlasting the Gauls and to obtain 15 provinces. After i'd swept the Gauls from france they had one province left in Spain, which i quickly besieged and assaulted, leaving me the proud owner of 12 provinces. ~D I then decided to turn my focus to the Spanish, after some frosty diplomatic encounters i invaded (always my intention anyway, i'd just not really tested out the agents yet, and for some reason the Spanish didn't want to give me 2/3rds of their provinces and a 10 turn 5000 denarii tribute ~:confused: ) Anyway, after assaulting my first Spanish province I got a message congratulating me on eliminating the Gauls??? and for owning 15 provinces??? Neither of which were true (unless the Spanish changed their minds :rolleyes: ) I could then choose to end the campaign, as if i'd achieved the victory conditions. Very strange!!!

Another bug, that i think has been picked up, is the annoying grouping problem. Clicking to select one group and then dragging out a formation seems to select multiply groups and sometimes even my whole army; which is nice. Especially when fighting multiple armies, managing to rout one before the other army reaches you & while chasing down routers with some light Cav, you turn to see your carefully deployed front line turn to chase the pretty horsey's like lunatics! :furious3: Just in time for enemy heavy Cav to smash into their backs! Not too fun! :no:

On a side note, i think it would be much better to have to defeat each individual nation in campaign b4 being able to play as them. As opposed to defeating one faction then all of them becoming available. (Or is that another bug i've encountered?) This would give you a basic knowledge of all the factions in the game! You know what they say "Know thy enemy".

/End Rant ~D

P.S Ah, it's good to be back!

*Ringo*

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Originally Posted by *Ringo*

Not sure if this has been mentioned b4, my apologies if it has, but i was playing a short campaign last night as the Julii with the task of destroying or outlasting the Gauls and to obtain 15 provinces. After i'd swept the Gauls from france they had one province left in Spain, which i quickly besieged and assaulted, leaving me the proud owner of 12 provinces. ~D I then decided to turn my focus to the Spanish, after some frosty diplomatic encounters i invaded (always my intention anyway, i'd just not really tested out the agents yet, and for some reason the Spanish didn't want to give me 2/3rds of their provinces and a 10 turn 5000 denarii tribute ~:confused: ) Anyway, after assaulting my first Spanish province I got a message congratulating me on eliminating the Gauls??? and for owning 15 provinces??? Neither of which were true (unless the Spanish changed their minds :rolleyes: ) I could then choose to end the campaign, as if i'd achieved the victory conditions. Very strange!!!

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If you were using the Faction summary screen to determine how many provinces you own, you should note that it tells you how many you have gained. So if it said you gained 12, then your total would have been 14 (as you started with 2 provinces). So taking the one Spanish province would take you to 15 total, which would win you the game.

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On a side note, i think it would be much better to have to defeat each individual nation in campaign b4 being able to play as them. As opposed to defeating one faction then all of them becoming available. (Or is that another bug i've encountered?) This would give you a basic knowledge of all the factions in the game! You know what they say "Know thy enemy".

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There are two ways to unlock factions, defeating the faction personally, or winning a game. If you win a game, all the factions become unlocked.

Bh

When I conquered Tarentum, I allowed daily games to be celebrated, usually i dont get a message when i celebrate games, but the next turn i got a message telling me that games had been celebrated and the text under the picture was something like:

THIS MESSAGE SHOULD NEVER BE DISPLAYED FOR THESE GAMES

I can't remember the precise message but it was capitalized, and had the same point.

I am in the habit of plotting the entire journey of my fleets in advance so that I don't have to monitoring them turn by turn.

However, this feature is extremely finnicky. Sometimes it works first time, other occasions I find myself clicking repeatedly on the fleets destination without success.

Sometimes moving the fleet slightly and trying again works other times moving the fleet to its maximum works on other occassions choosing an intermediate destination will allow me to extend it to its true destination.

But its very inconsistent.

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Originally Posted by Celtibero Mordred

I don't know if this has been reported yet, I think it's important:

It's about AI behavior during sieges. Imagine you are being sieged by an army controlled by the AI. Imagine your city has stone walls. Well, you can try to break the siege sending your garrison against the enemy...and this is what it happens:

The entire enemy army runs close to your city walls and stay there: they are completely slaughtered by the arrows thrown by the defending towers. When most of the army has been killed (20-30 foes left), they withdraw and leave the siege.

So, to break a siege, you only need a small garrison (a peasant is enough) and city walls; simply, you are unbeatable when the AI sieges your cities.

This is a bit annoying too: if you haven't got stone walls and you only have a stockade, then try to break the siege, shoot the enemy with your bowmen/slingers and withdraw when your ammo is out. Repeat as much as necessary in the same turn until the enemy dies and leaves the siege.


I think the AI behavior must be fixed or AI sieges will be a joke (in fact, now they are due to these exploits).

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I agree completely.

i am sure many of these have been mentioned in this thread,
but these are the ones i have seen (and have been able to replicate readily)

>>letting the computer finish your movement orders

the army shown in the review panel does not match with the army, navy or character that is moving on the campaign map.


>>grouping on battle maps

the group selected is NOT the one that actually moves,
ordering a cavalry charge and watching your onager crews charge for h2h is most disconcerting.

sometimes this occurs at random,
seems to occur after a unit in any group has routed,
occurs more when an entire group has routed,


>>moving groups on the battle map

selecting all and moving an army which you have assigned into a number of groups results in abyssmal chaos,
they all try to stand on the one spot.
This makes command and control a pain in the ....


>>move and maintain facing

I cannot find the key combination to make this work.
This makes command and control a pain in the ....


>>special action or fire at will

once any unit in a group loses the ability to perform it's special action or expends all missiles the button for the group is greyed out,
this means you have to either put up with men firing when you dont want them too, or select the units who still have ability or ammo only and order them to stop.


>>taking a city (1)

the total population of the city is NOT shown when you have to decide what to do with the population
(occupy/enslave/exterminate)


>>taking a city (2)

sometimes when you reach the central square the faction flag shown in the "timer" is not always yours!
even though all the enemy has is one man running around near the walls, miles from the central square, the timer counts down with that factions flag.
You still win.


>>battle result screen/scrolls (1)

sometimes they show the casualties and kills for your enemy only, not yours.


>>battle result screen/scrolls (2)

some units with longer names cause the number of men remaining to be obscured.


>>lose a city assault

Lose (to the timer in central square) a city assault and all the generals and armies that were involved (from your faction) are removed from the campaign map.
even if you have "reinforcement armies" that never make it onto the map after you return to the campaign map all those men are gone.


>>diplomacy

not all options are always available in diplomacy,
i always check when this occurs to make sure "character" i am negotiating with is definately NOT the faction leader or heir. (both of whom are unbribable).
The instances i am referring to here the character is not heir or leader.


>>plagues

very heavy handed, have 2 cities and a multitude of armies and navies getting struck by plague,
none of them have "interacted" with each other.


>>agents

cannot dismiss agents from service.
if you get stuck with a bad one, you are stuck with him till he dies of old age.


>>campaign map information scrolls

if you do something that will generate a new "information/notice scroll" dropping down on the left of the campaign map the last scroll you viewed (but did not "delete") will be reopened while the hourglass shows.


>>unit pathing (campaign map)

often times you pick a unit and a destination and the game cannot find a path,
even a straight line from (for example) tingi to carthage is beyond the game,
yet when you have paved roads you can march many units from tingi to carthage in 4 or 5 turns,
IF you select the units and march them a little, then keep extending it you can "draw" a path from tingi to carthage, SO why can't the game?


>>unit information pictures

sometimes the game "loses" the picture of unit
You display the information scroll for a unit by right clicking on a unit in your army, (in battle and in campaign modes)
you get the information, but the picture is simply a white box.


>>battlefield advisor advice

the advice given does not always match the map,
enemy reported as being on a hill are sometimes downhill from you!

Also if a river passes across a map anywhere you get "bridge defence advice" even if the river is completely outside the operational area of the map. (ie Mediolanium)
Problem is because it is outside the operational area i cannot really tell if there is even a river ON the map - i am beggining to suspect another bug because..(see below)


>>bridge battles

no matter how hard i try, even attacking an army that is ON the bridge on the campaign maps i CANNOT get a battle on a river map!


>>moving items in build queue (and merging units in armies)

the mouse cursor MUST be in the lower half of the row (for queue's) and in the lower half of the unit card (for merging), slightly above half way and the move or merge will fail.


>>graphic error - fleets

sometimes the ships mast and flag will be BESIDE the ship/fleet itself, instead of ON it.


>>paused when enemy general dies

if you happen to hit pasue just as the enemy general dies then the battle will never end, you have to exit out by pressing escape.
If you can already "see" the cut scene it has no effect, it only happens if you manage to hit pause at the exact moment the program is "loading" the cut scene.


>> command and control on the battlefield

once you have started to paint a new "position" for your grouped army you cannot back out of it!!!
there is no release key, you are committed to have to deploy them in the chosen location and then have to make them halt and start again.


>> spear(pilum) armed infantry,

even after they are out of ammunition after ordering them to attack an enemy unit they STILL try to fire (and go through the motions) before they engage hand2hand,
this unneccessary delay can be costly in a critical situation.


>>CTD

> loading a newly bribed army onto a fleet
splitting a single unit out of the army before loading "solves" the crash


>>Waypoints

units assigend waypoint movement orders cannot be ordered to charge to any point EXCEPT the first one,
they ignore run commands to all other waypoints.


(TTFN)
B.

I've not seen a post on this yet, but it has been commented on at the TW Center board.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index...=11231&st=1000

Technical Bug: When the game is saved and then loaded, it looks like both difficulties are set back to easy. This seems to be a problem even before the mods that have been taking place. People have reported that the game gets much easier after a reset. The two places where this is at is 160 and 164 in the save file using the editor. Both of those spaces should be the number for the difficulty, with 0 being easy and 3 being very hard. It seems to be reset to 0 when you save. Thus when you load things are messed up.

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>>taking a city (1)

the total population of the city is NOT shown when you have to decide what to do with the population
(occupy/enslave/exterminate)

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Yes, this is a little annoying, but you can easily work it out. Enslave removes half the population, whilst exterminating kills three quarters. So if it says that 10,000 are to be enslaved, the city has 20,000 people!

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Originally Posted by barocca

>>diplomacy

not all options are always available in diplomacy,
i always check when this occurs to make sure "character" i am negotiating with is definately NOT the faction leader or heir. (both of whom are unbribable).
The instances i am referring to here the character is not heir or leader.

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To bribe, apparently, you need a certain amount of Denarii in your treasury (2000), according to the readme at least. Also, more generally, other diplomatic options might not be available for specific reasons. For instance, you can't ask an ally to become a protectorate, or indeed (as a Roman) try to ally with a faction at war with one of your fellow Romans, before the civil war breaks out anyway.

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>>agents

cannot dismiss agents from service.
if you get stuck with a bad one, you are stuck with him till he dies of old age.

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I've never had a "bad one", mine always start from 1-3 in natural ability. Plus you can always just get assassins/spies killed by giving them impossible tasks, such as infiltrating a cities protected by a high valour spy, or attempting to assassinate a faction leader. Diplomats are a little harder to get rid off. If you've spotted an enemy assassin, you could coax him to attack. Or you could just use him for bribing rebels, as "influence" doesn't seem to have much influence of the success or failure of the transaction. But I get your point.

>>cannot take screenshots

printscreen does NOT take screenshots on my system,
the TGA is created but all i get is a black picture, totally black
(turning off anti-aliasing failed to resolve this)
(changing key assignement failed to resolve this)

>>options-control setting-battle menu

when you scroll down the last line of options, (toggle game speed), is half obscured.



attn. therother

the total population is not shown,
having to do a quick calcualtion in my head does not count as "showing the total population"


i know how to bribe and trust me i have enough in my treasury,
sometimes a single ai character who is niether heir nor leader cannot be bribed.
also your comment "or indeed (as a Roman) try to ally with a faction at war with one of your fellow Romans" is not accurate.
You CAN ally with a faction at war with another roman faction,
an automatic ceasefire is imposed on the other roman faction.
AT LEAST for Gaul, will check on the others and see what happens
- if you can ally with all then i will NOT be replying again,
- if you cannot ally with all then i will try to work out which factions you can and which you cannot.


I dont want to have to assasinate or suicide my agents,
i want to be able to dismiss them from service.

>>disband

mercenary units cannot always be disbanded,
the "disband" sound plays, but the unit remains in your army.

i have disbanded some merc's, but some flatly refuse to disband,
i will attmept to work out the conditions that allow/disallow and also if it is specific units that cannot disband.
I suspect they have to be in a home territory, just like regular troops,
when that is NOT supposed to be the case,
you are supposed to be able to disband them whenever you want to.

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the total population is not shown, having to do a quick calcualtion in my head does not count as "showing the total population".

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Well, yes, but is that a bug?

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i know how to bribe and trust me i have enough in my treasury, sometimes a single ai character who is niether heir nor leader cannot be bribed.

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I've never had the problem, and I've bribed a lot of family members. Do you mean the bribe doesn't show up as an option, or that he'll never accept? Is it only if he is on his own?

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Originally Posted by barocca

also your comment "or indeed (as a Roman) try to ally with a faction at war with one of your fellow Romans" is not accurate.

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You are absolutely right, I've done it myself. I apologise. But regardless, there are certain options that are not available under certain circumstances by design. Could you give some brief details of what options were not available and the circumstances?

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Originally Posted by barocca

I dont want to have to assasinate or suicide my agents, i want to be able to dismiss them from service.

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Again, is that a bug or just something that annoys you? Do you want to be able to disown family members as well, given that they cost at least twice the Denarii a turn (200+bodyguard, IIRC)?

knowing the total population without having to do a quick sum in your head is a feature that should be in the game,
i consider the fact it is not in the game a bug/omission.

you telling me you cant fire your butler if he is a fool?
if my diplomat is no longer usefull i dont want to have to keep paying him,
i want to fire him.
the fact i cannot is a bug/omission.

If i want to get rid of a family member i assassinate him.

bribe - you cannot always bribe other faction family members even if they are definately NOT the faction leader or the faction heir.
The bribe option does not appear.


>> wardogs pathing on battle map

they can get hung up trying to get through a breach in the wall,
they always seem to try the shortest route to an enemy, even if that shortest route is through a gate that is NOT open.


>> recalling wardogs

no option or method exists to call back the wardogs
(in cases such as above they will stand snarling at the gate until an enemy unit elects to open it for you - not likely!)


>> towers

even after "taking the walls" the towers will resume firing if the first unit through the "breach" withdraws from the town. You may still have other units within the walls, it seems the first infantry unit through is the one that matters.

Itsonly a little thing but when I captured the wonder- statue of zeus the movie's music was out of synch and jittery.

I have a high end machine and have had no CTD or any other problems yet, which makes me think there might be a problem here.

Just expereinced a weird result at the end of a seige.

Admittedly it was a close run thing.

The timer was running out and the enemy only had to hold the town centre for 3:00 minutes to win. However, they had no troops guarding it and so I sent a unit of Auxilaries to capture it before the time ran out.

They arrived with just 7 seconds to go.

The flag changed to my colour the counter reset to 3:00 minutes and I began rushing reinforcements to back up the Auxilaries in anticipation of a counter attack.

Suddenly a few seconds later the game ends and the enemy are awarded victory.

Not quite right.

i have discovered a strange siege bug, i have attacked the gauls with the brutii. ive build a battering ram when the battle launched and the battering ram moved a bit it completly disappeared with the whole unit.
ive tried it again with a previous save game but this time only one soldiers stay with the ram symbol on the unit icon but the ram was not visible.

another siege bug is this ive got a full stack of units when i siege a city ive build several ladders rams etc.
they dont appear in the battle then im standing with a giant army on the battlefield and can do nothing.

Does anyone have a problem with mouse in the strategic map or in the battle? It start to be anoying, cause every couple of minutes, sometimes with no move mouse pointer go wild and goes to the corner of the screen and anything is impossible to do. Also it?s affect to the desktop too, so I must restart the computer imediately. Bassically I can?t play anymore. First it was started couple of times, but now so often.
I have a XP with service pack 1 build in it, 2GHz, ATI 9200 SE 128 MB, 256 MB DDR.
Is there any patch for this?
:furious3:

Not sure if this is a bug or not, but I've come across another way to deal with AI sieges in a cheesy fashion. That is, if the walls are wooden or lower. Playing as the Germans, I stuck some of their phalanx-type men right up close to the walls and gate, where the AI rams were going to come in. It appears the spears are long enough to reach through the walls and kill the first two men holding the ram. They will either be replaced, and killed, or the ram will be dropped, and the whole unit run in to attempt hand-to-hand combat. Which is completely ineffective on their part, due to the wall in the way. Either way, no breach is made, and the enemy soldiers end up dead. The AI will also handily replace the ram-handlers when they are annihilated, so the meat-grinded will continue.

not positive if this is a bug or if it is supposed to happen but...
I was using the war dogs against the carthaginians and as I watched the dogs chase down the men they were at 47 and 43 out of 48, I checked on my other men and when I glanced back at the dogs one was at 47 and the other 11. I wasnt sure how this happened because the men were routing but hey it happens, but then when the battle ended I was back to 43... Do the dogs run away and come back or something whats the deal?

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Do the dogs run away and come back or something whats the deal?

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As long as the handlers survive each one will breed new dogs to replace battle loss, (max of 4 per man.) This makes them ideal fire and forget missiles ~D

Something I've experienced a few times already and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
You chase an unit on the battle map. They retreat without initiating a fight. The "treat increase" icon appears on the left of the screen. Sadly it is not a treat increase but the commanding general now has the "good runner" vice. :huh:
I have had a few high-star generals (superb commanders and such) who became also good runners that way.

I suppose it's the retreating AI general that should get this vice, as that's the one who ran away, right?

sheesh, every day that i have time to play RTW i find some more....



>>Testudo and Grouping

units assigned testudo while in a group can get stuck in that formation and refuse to change back to standard


>>Vanishing Units in Seige

I sent 2 rams against the gate at the town of Cordoba (one then another when the first vanished)
there is a small mound near the gate, (i approached from the North)
as both rams approached the mound they and the units manning them vanished from the map!!!
The units were back in the army once back on the campaign map.


>>Generals, location and status

the ONLY way i have found to bring up this scroll is
:- go to a town you control and open the CONSTRUCTION Window,
then right-click on the army tab!
This scroll SHOULD be accessible from the Faction Menu but i have found no other way to bring it up.


>> end of turn recruitment scrolls

when you click on either the up or own arrow you immediatly go to the very bottom or very top of the scroll,
in other "reports" clicking the up or down arrows moves you one record up or down

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>>Generals, location and status

the ONLY way i have found to bring up this scroll is
:- go to a town you control and open the CONSTRUCTION Window,
then right-click on the army tab!
This scroll SHOULD be accessible from the Faction Menu but i have found no other way to bring it up.

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Judging from the responses I've read in the thread "Right-Click on the Control Panel" (at the Colosseum), the majority aren't aware of this. You can just right click onto the tabs and you get the collection of your Generals and Agents. Is that what you're looking for? ~:)

Strategic AI and Rebels/Brigands - I'm in the middle of three different campaigns on Hard/Hard and I have noticed that enemy armies generally seem to refrain from attacking rebel/brigand armies that are blocking the paths leading to my cities! This is especially odd considering that these enemy armies often outnumber said rebel/brigand armies by a substantial margin! For what it's worth these rebel/brigand armies that pose such a problem for enemy armies are always in my territory. I have NEVER seen an enemy army attack a rebel/brigand unit in my territory that is blocking its path. If there is no way around these rebel/brigand blockades (and their zones of control) the AI army simply sits there for a few turns until it changes it mind and heads home. Rarely have I seen an enemy army seek an alternative route.

in the prologue, the mini map is stuffed up. the whole square has italy on it, but in the top left hand corner (exactly one quarter) is a smaller map showing faction controlled areas... and this is with the first patch installed

>>Archer Auxilla and walls

the Velites alongside them can throw their spears over the walls at the defenders,
and the defenders are firing over the walls onto the Archer Auxilla,
BUT the Archer Auxilla cannot fire over the walls UNTIL the gate or wall is breached!!!

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Judging from the responses I've read in the thread "Right-Click on the Control Panel" (at the Colosseum), the majority aren't aware of this. You can just right click onto the tabs and you get the collection of your Generals and Agents. Is that what you're looking for? ~:)

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oki - seems i have an intermittent bug, may be something to do with my wireless setup,

this should still be reachable from the faction menu though,
otherwise you have to select a town and use right click on any of the menu's.

I've noticed that when used on the battlefield Onagars inflict significantly more casualties on the enemy when set to hurl fireballs than rocks.

I now always set them to hurl fireballs as this can sometimes eliminate several ranks and files of the target unit in a single hit, whereas rocks may only kill two or three men.

This is the direct opposite of the explaination given for the use of fireballs which states that fireballs are less effective but have a higher morale effect.

>> AI controlled armies in seige and sally situations

I have an "auxilliary" army (led by a captain) seiging a city,
my Real army arrives and joins the siege, they will be building seige equipment this turn and attacking the next,

and then Enemy sally out attacking my Captains Army...

So, I have my Captain (who i get to control) with a ram or two,
and my General (ai controlled) and all his crack troops have nothing,

So what does my General Do?
He marches up to the walls and stands there, getting himself and all my crack troops shot to pieces,

then He realises i have made a breach in the wall,
so he marches, not runs, but marches his entire army around the walls to my "breach"
- if any of them are left alive after they casually saunter past all the enemy towers and missile troops then they run for it as soon as someone points a finger at them...

if i elect to withdraw on the campaign map i automatically lose almost, if not all of, the units to desertion and "casualties".



If I choose to use the Captain to initiate an attack, thats because i want both armies on the field,
in that instance I am electing to use both armies and have the AI control the General's Forces.

But if the AI initiates the attack i should get to choose who I want to personally command...

The worst bug I have ever experienced so far

I have the game on pause right now. This bug is so annoying I had to post it immediately.

I am beseiging a city right now. The only seige equipment I have is 2 Seige towers. Every unit that goes through it has the same issue. The tower deploys fine. But, when the men try to run across the platform onto the wall, they all fall like it wasn't deployed close enough. Every unit. So I basically just had 10 Legionary Cohorts commit suicide trying to get onto the wall.

Hmm...nice. ~:confused:

Just tried the battle again. Same thing! ~:(

Last Edit: Ok, I have managed to get units onto the wall. But...they 'at first' will fall off and die. I have to then select the unit, and double click on the wall again, and they will kinda drop onto it. But, trying to attack a unit isn't done for a little bit. I'm being absolutely killed because of it.

:furious3:

What kind of walls does the city have? Is this the only city where you've seen this siege tower bug happen?

Either there is a pathfinding or positioning issue with siege towers and certain types of walls or the terrain in front of the wall is not perfectly flat (I assume it should be).

sorry, i haven't read all the other posts in this thread (i have better things to do!), so if this has already been posted, i apologise.

Bug:

If transferring troops from ship to city, using the pop-up transfer window, any action causes the game to close to desktop imediately.

Luckily, the previous turn has been saved, but annoying all the same.

Not sure if this is a bug, but I've never had a naval commander get a command star from winning a battle. Ever. I've had zero star commanders win 3, 4 even 5 battles and get nothing.

If this is working as intended, then CA needs to allow us to assign heirs to navies and let them get stars for it. As it is, no one seems to be able to become a good admiral and naval battles become too indecisive. The naval combat is the one area where we really have no control over the battle, and this just makes the situation worse.

Bug:

Units with very good stamina tire faster than units with good stamina and units with good stamina tire faster than regular units.

Just the opposite it should be.

Sorry if it was mentioned before. I just noticed this bug on Macedonian Royal Pikemen:

http://img58.exs.cx/img58/5729/bug5.th.jpg

I've had some trouble with Elephants.

It states that i have say 2 or 0 maybe as i go into battle - when i get into the battle map and i start to deploy more to the left or forward i realise the elephant is now definately 0. You can select the unit but nothing appears when you right click when deploying.

In one battle i was doing badly as carthaginians and had a 0 elephant unit, things were so bad that i tried to use the unit by selecting it and right clicking on an enemy. It crashed to desktop ~:)

Julii-H/H Large Units, Latest Nvidia drivers

Killed a rebel army, went back to the campaign screen and my entire campaign terrian was black. Units, Cities, and some trade goods still showed, but no terrain showed. I reloaded, and it was dark, shut down and reloaded twice more and the terrain was back. Seiged a Gaul town for two turns while the campaign terrain was dark, assaulted and the terrain came back again.

sometimes my pc completly reboot in the middle of a battle ~:pissed:
and sometimes on the strat map
in my current game it happened every time in the middle of a battle my pc REBOOT GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
after the reboot win xp pop a message a fatal error occurs!

the most crashes are in the year 233bc


SORRY CA
i have solved the problem, i have only installed the newest driver(soundchip, graphic card, and winxp) on my pc hehe now no more crashes!!! ~D

you could call it a bug...
there is a spelling mistake when you go into a naval battle and put the cursor over the withdraw button (which is inactive) "Cannot withdraw: Navies cannot withdrawf from battles" - there shouldn't be an f on the end of withdraw...

As Julii I have Carthago Nova with no governor , can't build anything of course but can recruit troops!!!

Fowarding a message from a junior patron

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I seem to have sniper onagers. I'm playing the greeks, currently invading egypt. This is fairly late game, so I'm using a combined force including onagers instead of the usual earlier-game seige engines. I have fought multiple small bands of egyptian royalty with my main force, only to have the onagers kill the opposing general with the first shot into the enemy general's unit. I've killed several faction heirs with this - apparently my flying rocks possess some sort of primitive homing ability ;) I don't recall seeing this effect against anyone but the egyptians so far; could be a chariot related bug. I'll test more over the weekend and post again if I can find any other info.

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An enemy spy opened the gates before an assault of the gauls.I won the battle and built a spy myself to counter the enemy spy.It worked and the enemy spy fled the city.But after that, the gauls attacked the city several times more and in each of these attacks all of the gates were open.Even when I zoom on the battlemap outside of battles, the gates are open.The gates look destroyed, but they have 0% damage; so I can't repair them.Even upgrading the walls to the third level did not work.

Well, German Spearman can attack through the walls of a Level 2 wall.
If you position them as close as possible to the gate durign deployment their spears will show up on the other side of the wall.
If the enemies battering rams/ Elephants approach your spears start attacking and killing the 2 first guys. The Battering ram stops, 2 other guys move up and also get killed.
It was a really funny way to kill of a full stack of juli Hastati/Princeps because the very close proximity to the gate protects you from missle fire (dead angle).

Pre-battle screen says 77 wardogs when I know I only have 20 (Julii)

mfberg

Last night, playing Carthage, I was storming a Spanish city. My units were scattered in various parts of the city, moving toward the one remaining enemy unit that held the city square. Suddenly all my units stopped moving, and nothing would get them to move anymore. No matter where I clicked, I could get them to change facing slightly, but they would stop moving immediately after they started. I eventually figured out that the only way I could get them to move was to make them attack an enemy, so I had to charge them all from wherever they happened to be. This is the only time this has ever happened.

When playing as the carthaginians I kicked the Romans out of Sicilly I believe (cant think of town name so give me a break ) and allied with the greeks. Shortly after the greek diplomat goes over to my town on the left of Sicilly and goes through the animation of negotiating, but he doesnt open the screen... At the end of every turn he just goes through the animation then it skips it. It has done this in every carthaginian campaign that I have played when I allied with the Greeks.

I have this happen in multiple locations. My assumption is that the diplomat is trying to bribe your army, but either doesn't have enough denarii, or chooses not to pay it.

Bh

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When playing as the carthaginians I kicked the Romans out of Sicilly I believe (cant think of town name so give me a break ) and allied with the greeks. Shortly after the greek diplomat goes over to my town on the left of Sicilly and goes through the animation of negotiating, but he doesnt open the screen... At the end of every turn he just goes through the animation then it skips it. It has done this in every carthaginian campaign that I have played when I allied with the Greeks.

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Kill 'im quick.

not sure what's causing this problem, but single player battles dont work (only just noticed this so havent tried mp to see if it works) i set the armies up in custom, and when clicking start battle it returns me to the previous screen, same with quick battle ~:confused: for some reason historical battles and the campaigns work fine -- all i can think of is that moving factions to "unlockable" in the files, or the "historic battles" mod may have caused this - anyone with any of these changes noticed this?

Don't know if it's been posted yet but I really couldn't bother reading the 220 posts again :dizzy2:
Well, here goes: I got a funny Senate mission last night: I had to capture one of my own settlements within 5 turns. :huh:

Of course there was something that might have triggered this bug. The Senate asked me to capture Rhodes one turn after I conquered it. Next turn they cancelled their request (normal: I already had the settlement), but in the same turn they... demand that I take Rhodes... It goes now on for 5+ turns: Take Rhodos! Oh no, sorry, you already have it.... (1 turn later) TAKE RHODOS! oh yes....heh heh oops of course you already conquered it.... (1 turn later) TAKE RHODOS! ... etc

Haven't relaunched the campaign yet to check if this silly request will disappear but I guess it won't...
Should try to continue that campaign: at least the Senate will stop annoying me, lol.

I have just bought, installed and patched RTW. On the prologue first seige mission as soon as i click for the seige engines to fire fireballs, i crash out to desktop. I have a dual athlon AMD 1800+ on tyan tiget MPX mb. 1gb kington ram, audigy platinum , gforce 4 ti4600. i run in 1024x768x32 and have lowered graphics but to no avail. Is this a known bug, its pain as i cant even save the game in this mode. also, where is the bit to insert your user ID from the manual, wasnt in the install, maybe this is a problem for security!
Please help before i take this game back to the shop.

Could we have a moderator summarize bugs and features which need tweaking, rewrite them concisely and put them on a separate first page so that it's easier for devs and modders to address them. Currently the bug list is 8 pages long but it would be a chore for everyone to plow through more in future everytime they want to report a new bug to make sure there are no repeats.


Here's a bug... I think. Not sure if it has been mentioned before.
Open up the export_descr_character_traits file in the Data folder

Find the following:

Trigger V0150_Standard_Risky_Battle_Attacker_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and not WonBattle
and BattleSuccess = crushing
and I_ConflictType Normal
and BattleOdds

Sorry, somehow my post got chopped off in half.

The bug is:
Open up the export_descr_character_traits file in the Data folder
Find the following:

Trigger V0150_Standard_Risky_Battle_Attacker_Crushing_Victory_VnV_Trigger
WhenToTest PostBattle
Condition WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and not WonBattle
and BattleSuccess = crushing
and I_ConflictType Normal
and BattleOdds

The condition "and not WonBattle" should be changed to "and WonBattle".
Otherwise not winning instead of winning will give you a chance to get the trait.

Can't edit my posts. Could a moderator do some tidying up here. Thanks.

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At the end of every turn he (Greek Diplomat) just goes through the animation then it skips it.

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I would assume he is trying to bribe away your city but found the price asked by your defenders too high...? ~:)

I've read the previous 8 pages. I've got the problem of going back to the desktop when I use firing objects. Is there any solution ? or maybe I have to wait the 1.2 patch ?
thx
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I was playing today as Selucid, and decided to take and Egyptian city. I start the siege and I am attack by the army inside and one outside the city. I was able to win even though I was outnumbered. Then back to the campaing map, I did not get a message that I won. I fought the same battle on the same turn, but this time I only had 72 soldiers (the ones that remain from the first battle) while the Egyptians had the same army as in the first battle. I hit autocalculate and still won with 72 men. Talk about a bug, my general ended up getting 2 starts from one battle that repeated itself.

So to sum. it up: I fought the same battle twice on the same turn, ended up wining both of them and my general got 2 more stars.

Good Bug. ~:cheers:

At the recent seige of Alexandria the AI placed one of my sap points underwater in the sea off the Alexandrian coast.

I ignored it and used the one on the beach instead. However, on breaching the wall and entering the city I discovered that the entire northern wall and gatehouse of the city was actually built in the sea and that the main northern road to the city square was under water.

Not only that but despite this fact the Egyptian army were attacking along it like so many suba divers. The only thing that didn't seem to work were flaming arrows. ~D

This Egypt town's building seems to be an optical illusion? These soldiers are running through the stone walls... You can see some of them are right in the wall. :dizzy2:

http://protein.biochem.queensu.ca/~d...r_the_wall.jpg

In battle, selected a group of two hastati, and ordered them to form at a certain location. Those yellow marks come up you know, and at the side of the hastati came there up yellow (or was they purple?) marks for my cavalry. Even if the cavalry was not selected. And the cavalry started moving. Really annoying, has happened more than once ~:confused:

I've noticed for sometime now that not all the seige equipment I am building actually appears on the battlemap.

Most typically missing are ladders.

I normally build 2xLadders and 2xSaps for each seige but have noticed that frequently I don't get the ladders. I have also had one seige tower go missing after I built it.

I think the problem might be linked to the composition of the army, I suspect that only certain units are allowed to carry ladders and if there aren't any in the army they don't appear on the map.

However, this ought to be handled on the strategy screen so that ladders are not offerred to armies that can't use them.

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This Egypt town's building seems to be an optical illusion?

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That wouldn't be Alexandria per chance?

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When playing as the carthaginians I kicked the Romans out of Sicilly I believe (cant think of town name so give me a break ) and allied with the greeks. Shortly after the greek diplomat goes over to my town on the left of Sicilly and goes through the animation of negotiating, but he doesnt open the screen... At the end of every turn he just goes through the animation then it skips it. It has done this in every carthaginian campaign that I have played when I allied with the Greeks.

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He is trying to bribe your army. The AI does this alot. When you see a diplomat animation near your city or army, he is attempting a bribe. That Greek fellow is particularly good at it...putting your own spy or diplomat in the town (or army) seems to stop him cold.

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This Egypt town's building seems to be an optical illusion? These soldiers are running through the stone walls... You can see some of them are right in the wall. :dizzy2:

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Dogs. Dogs are supernatural. SUUPEEERDOOOOG, woof-woof! Assaulted a greek town, captured all the gates before enemy reinforcements closed in, finished the garrison and leaved the town centre, getting ready to kill the reinforcements as well. Dogs rushed towards the enemy army. Should have smashed their pifs on the walls? Nope, they just run through them. :embarassed:. Funny picture, dogs pouring out from the base wall. Greek hoplites must have been astounded.

Next time I'll pray my superdogs fly. I wonder... maybe they'll manage to carpet-bomb egyptian elephants with doggie poo. ~D

Sorry, no picture, but I swear it was real. It's imperial campaign medium/medium, playing as Brutii.

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I've read the previous 8 pages. I've got the problem of going back to the desktop when I use firing objects. Is there any solution ? or maybe I have to wait the 1.2 patch ?
thx
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dont know if anyone mentioned this before but...
for Gaul - Swordmen graphic doesnt appear with the rest of the units on the battle screen until you're very close to it.

I dont know if this has been reported but, i do so now.
Single player....Its possible to increase the size of a unit beyond the intened size (numbers) take a unit that has suffered losses (the more the better) put it in a city to "retrain" then drag and drop another unit into it to bring it up to full strength.......after the unit goes through retraining it will it will be up to full strength + what ever-numbers that were draged and droped.
Example.... You have 1 man left from a unit of 100, put it in for retraining, then drap and drop to bring it to full strength... when trainning is done it comes out as a unit of 199 men.

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That wouldn't be Alexandria per chance?

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I think this was in Jeruselum, but I am not 100% sure. ~:) It was a huge city with a big city square.